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		<title>By: Benzol</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/warrenweertman/2010/02/10/are-you-ready-for-this/comment-page-1/#comment-111830</link>
		<dc:creator>Benzol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maurice Cowley: you might be right about the original map but the map has been redrawn at times. 

Anyway the date of the map does not really matter in my argument that Europe has been divided in many countries with generally homogeneous populations while Africa until today has many countries with straight borderlines disregarding the cultures and languages. One (of many) cause for eternal bickering about a newly elected president, seen as representing a tribe as the country is not -and never will be- a homogeneous country. 
Trying to re-draw the map will go with many conflicts, encouraged by outsiders for many different reasons.
Europe has had over 2000 years of such wars. Africa could learn from this in an attempt to form the equivalent of the EU. 
As it stands today, I see little chance of that happening.
I did not blame colonialism, I simply mentioned an administrative event which led to a non African arrangement to suit the plundering hordes from Europe. 
Any attempt to make serious changes to the arrangement will be blocked by hook or by crook, directly or indirectly by the current economic powers in Africa. 
Continued African wars will be on the cards unless sanity prevails and lessons from the &quot;birth&quot; of the EU will be taken to heart by African leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maurice Cowley: you might be right about the original map but the map has been redrawn at times. </p>
<p>Anyway the date of the map does not really matter in my argument that Europe has been divided in many countries with generally homogeneous populations while Africa until today has many countries with straight borderlines disregarding the cultures and languages. One (of many) cause for eternal bickering about a newly elected president, seen as representing a tribe as the country is not -and never will be- a homogeneous country.<br />
Trying to re-draw the map will go with many conflicts, encouraged by outsiders for many different reasons.<br />
Europe has had over 2000 years of such wars. Africa could learn from this in an attempt to form the equivalent of the EU.<br />
As it stands today, I see little chance of that happening.<br />
I did not blame colonialism, I simply mentioned an administrative event which led to a non African arrangement to suit the plundering hordes from Europe.<br />
Any attempt to make serious changes to the arrangement will be blocked by hook or by crook, directly or indirectly by the current economic powers in Africa.<br />
Continued African wars will be on the cards unless sanity prevails and lessons from the &#8220;birth&#8221; of the EU will be taken to heart by African leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Bovril24</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bovril24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren - I presume your whole article was tongue-in-cheek?

A united states of Africa is the vainglorious dream of a madman.  We can&#039;t even get SADC working properly down here.  Come back in 200 years time and there might be half a chance.  

It has taken the EEC nearly half a century to reach its current structure, even with largely democratic, developed or developing countries involved.

SA must never become the ATM for incompetent, corrupt, nepotistic, poverty-stricken, tribalism- riddled dictatorships to the North - even if they have oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren &#8211; I presume your whole article was tongue-in-cheek?</p>
<p>A united states of Africa is the vainglorious dream of a madman.  We can&#8217;t even get SADC working properly down here.  Come back in 200 years time and there might be half a chance.  </p>
<p>It has taken the EEC nearly half a century to reach its current structure, even with largely democratic, developed or developing countries involved.</p>
<p>SA must never become the ATM for incompetent, corrupt, nepotistic, poverty-stricken, tribalism- riddled dictatorships to the North &#8211; even if they have oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Cowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Cowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Benzol
Your facts are incorrect. The map of Modern Africa was drawn up at the Berlin Conference in 1884-1885 between Britain, France, Germany, Portugal &amp; King Leopold. No African leaders were consulted let alone invited. However, this does not excuse the fact that African nations have had 60+ years of independance to change this. It is so much easier to blame Colonialism for all misfortunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Benzol<br />
Your facts are incorrect. The map of Modern Africa was drawn up at the Berlin Conference in 1884-1885 between Britain, France, Germany, Portugal &amp; King Leopold. No African leaders were consulted let alone invited. However, this does not excuse the fact that African nations have had 60+ years of independance to change this. It is so much easier to blame Colonialism for all misfortunes.</p>
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		<title>By: blogroid</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogroid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vaguely recollect Thabo Mbeki making a speech to out parliament in about 2000 in which he told the assembly that they must understand that they were inherently a subordinate instrument in the greater African Union that came into effect during circa 1999. IE. They had to see themselves as an evolving State government like California or Alabama.

Later he craftily nobbled the PAP [Pan African Parliament] headquarters for Midrand thereby making Gauteng the Brussels of Africa/Azania. This is an action, [a truly long term plan] for which he has never been widely recognised his achievement having been drowned in the overall hullabaloo of the Aids denialist era</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vaguely recollect Thabo Mbeki making a speech to out parliament in about 2000 in which he told the assembly that they must understand that they were inherently a subordinate instrument in the greater African Union that came into effect during circa 1999. IE. They had to see themselves as an evolving State government like California or Alabama.</p>
<p>Later he craftily nobbled the PAP [Pan African Parliament] headquarters for Midrand thereby making Gauteng the Brussels of Africa/Azania. This is an action, [a truly long term plan] for which he has never been widely recognised his achievement having been drowned in the overall hullabaloo of the Aids denialist era</p>
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		<title>By: The Praetor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Praetor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the wet-dreams about a United States of Africa, it is virtually impossible.

In order for such a union to exist, the member states have to be totally committed to the tenants of democracy and accountability. This is not high on the agenda of many African countries.

What would happen when a leader should be chosen by democratic election? Probably a continent wide war, when the favourite candidate of certain groups did not win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the wet-dreams about a United States of Africa, it is virtually impossible.</p>
<p>In order for such a union to exist, the member states have to be totally committed to the tenants of democracy and accountability. This is not high on the agenda of many African countries.</p>
<p>What would happen when a leader should be chosen by democratic election? Probably a continent wide war, when the favourite candidate of certain groups did not win.</p>
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		<title>By: Benzol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benzol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the “brother leader” were to have had his way during his presidency of the AU, Africa would now be one country under the name of the Unites States of Africa...........&quot;

I think that brother leader (BL) is a little bit more intelligent than that. 
BL does understand that African countries are established during a European tea party after WW1. That is almost 100 years ago and has caused much of the conflicts in Africa after previous &quot;colonies&quot; were given independence.
The new countries were based on the old colonial borders, ignoring tribal differences such basics as culture and language.
European borders were established by wars and negotiations but always with culture and language in mind. 
Africa has may straight (artificial)border lines. Europe has not.
BL&#039;s thinking seems to make sense in the long term. His thinking might just be a century ahead of his African brothers who prefer wealth over national/regional prosperity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the “brother leader” were to have had his way during his presidency of the AU, Africa would now be one country under the name of the Unites States of Africa&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that brother leader (BL) is a little bit more intelligent than that.<br />
BL does understand that African countries are established during a European tea party after WW1. That is almost 100 years ago and has caused much of the conflicts in Africa after previous &#8220;colonies&#8221; were given independence.<br />
The new countries were based on the old colonial borders, ignoring tribal differences such basics as culture and language.<br />
European borders were established by wars and negotiations but always with culture and language in mind.<br />
Africa has may straight (artificial)border lines. Europe has not.<br />
BL&#8217;s thinking seems to make sense in the long term. His thinking might just be a century ahead of his African brothers who prefer wealth over national/regional prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always up for a mocking of Gaddafi although not entirely agreeing with your entire article. 
 
Morocco not being a member of the AU because of its occupation of Western Sahara and sure it might be a constitutional monarchy but the King is head of the army, and is both the legal and spiritual head of the state, i.e. an absolute monarch. 

There are already a couple of monetary unions in Africa, including our own with Namibia, Swaziland and Lesotho and the CFA franc in West Africa and Central Africa.

Then there are the parts where I agree with you, Africa as a whole is not ready.  The EU itself started as a common market for steel and coal, as the basis for closer economic integration to prevent future wars after WWII or the European Wars, as I like to call them.  So maybe the AU should start from a simple point, after all, it took 50 years to create the euro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always up for a mocking of Gaddafi although not entirely agreeing with your entire article. </p>
<p>Morocco not being a member of the AU because of its occupation of Western Sahara and sure it might be a constitutional monarchy but the King is head of the army, and is both the legal and spiritual head of the state, i.e. an absolute monarch. </p>
<p>There are already a couple of monetary unions in Africa, including our own with Namibia, Swaziland and Lesotho and the CFA franc in West Africa and Central Africa.</p>
<p>Then there are the parts where I agree with you, Africa as a whole is not ready.  The EU itself started as a common market for steel and coal, as the basis for closer economic integration to prevent future wars after WWII or the European Wars, as I like to call them.  So maybe the AU should start from a simple point, after all, it took 50 years to create the euro.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the African Union can exclude South Africa and Botswana until they become proper dictatorships? Well, lets hope not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the African Union can exclude South Africa and Botswana until they become proper dictatorships? Well, lets hope not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha Ladyfingers. Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha Ladyfingers. Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladyfingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ladyfingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Africa pretty much on US dollars and Euros already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Africa pretty much on US dollars and Euros already?</p>
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