Comments on: Malema to Cronin: U R in trouble luv Juju

By: Rose Morrow

Rose Morrow — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:44:48 +0000

Well said Phillipa – and Neuren!

By: Neuren

Neuren — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:44:30 +0000

Sipho, you are a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

The examples you use to define racism are too broad and do not make allowance for freedom of association. And why should whites seek to use black professionals. Maybe black professionals should seek to get white business?

By: Phillipa Lipinsky

Phillipa Lipinsky — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:59:45 +0000

Oh Sipho! Why does one even bother with you!
If you follow Rose’s comments, you will see that, although they are sometimes different from mine, she always speaks from a position of principle (even if I sometimes disagree with her, I can say that) and has always supported transformation and spoken out against racism. Maybe you are new to this site. You have a lot to learn.

About Malema: He does make some valid points; especially about the fact that black people experience racism on a daily basis. the problem is that he is so full of hatred and most of what he says is inflammatory. He is also out of touch with ordinary (black)people who are languishing in poverty while he rides the gravy train and rolls around in his satin sheets in leafy Sandton. I have worked with many people in townships and I know the despondency, hopelessness and anger they feel at, especially, being unable to find employment. Malema exploits those sentiments for political gain without doing anything to change the dismal conditions under which so many black people live. How does pointing this out make me a racist?
The strange thing is that many white respondents on this site say that I have a guilt-complex and I’m out to paint whites off as baddies. Now, some blacks say that I’m racist! I guess all this means is that I stand for the truth and am not out to please anyone.

By: Phillipa Lipinsky

Phillipa Lipinsky — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:00:38 +0000

@Sipho, the race of one’s partner is irrelevant. I know quite a few white people who have black lovers/spouses but are still racist.
I’m not racist. If you must know a few things about me: One: I’m Jewish (Strawberry-blond hair, green eyes). My mother is Russian, my father is Polish. I grew up mostly in Poland and came to SA when pappa got job in the Eastern Cape-in a rural hospital (as a physician). My husband is African (Dark, Xhosa-speaking, dark-brown eyes, gorgeous man). You can imagine what our children look like. Our doctor is a fine physician originally from Ghana. Yes, my daughter goes to a so-called white school simply because the only South African language I know is English and I can help her with homework. My youngest is 3 years old. I am not RACIST and this is the first and the last time I am making this statement. Nothing sickens me more than to hear people throwing this label at me simply because I criticise that idiot of colossal proportions, Julius Malema.

By: Rose Morrow

Rose Morrow — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:52:03 +0000

“When last did you use services of a black doctor, architect for an example? And yet you probably have used garden and domestic services from black people. You probably think this is normal.” You think the above is racism??? Your assumptions around my personal life aside, you have a skewed idea of racism! I employ a black domestic-would you rather a white a white unskilled person or white architect and deprive her of the only job she is skilled at?? and deprive upwards of fifteen people who depend on her? Get real Sipho? I do not appreciate JUJU’s repulsive, uneducated, inflamatory rhetoric – often, I do not enjoy Blade Nzimande’s approach but he is often wise in his utterances – I do wonder at the very expensive car though! I often feel at one with Zweli Vavi of COSATU – I am not a communist or a trade unionist but I can respect and agree to some of their opinions and policies. For the most part, I support ANC policy – not the current leadership -whether you like it or not. It has naught to do with racism – I prefer going to my white male doctor of 30 years — I have a brother who is an architect – he is white and would do my plans for free – does that make me sexist and racist? I have less than five close friends – one is black – are you okay with that – or should they all be black for me to qualify under non racist?

By: Phillipa Lipinsky

Phillipa Lipinsky — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:06:13 +0000

Oh, and Sipho: Malema is especially threatening because he is a communist with a weakness for he trappings of capitalism.
Trust me I grew up in a communist country and I can tell you that the South African Communist Party is not communist at all.

By: Phillipa Lipinsky

Phillipa Lipinsky — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:01:37 +0000

@Perplexed: you may agree with me but I don’t agree with you. For one, I don’t thing that Malema is funny and none of the things he says are worth the paper they’re written on.
@Sipho: I couldn’t care less what Malema says to any of his comrades (and that includes Cronin). I am actually more enraged by the insensitive and callous comments he made about the woman who accused Zuma of rape than I am about the ones that are racist.
@Kit: Sometimes it seems you just want to say something against me-it doesn’t have to make sense. I see you are still angry about that “life-insurance” comment.
@Eligos: Thanks (I guess)!

By: Sipho

Sipho — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:52:27 +0000

@Rose Morrow writes “It really is tiresome and counterproductive – not every white person is racist Sipho – not even covertly so”
Rose you need to take a broader view of what racism is. You’re probably married to or dating a white person, and you think it is normal.Your choices in life are mostly influenced by your socialisation. When last did you use services of a black doctor, architect for an example? And yet you probably have used garden and domestic services from black people. You probably think this is normal. It’s not a pure coincidence that you felt the urge to defend Phillipa Lipinsky, it’s a knee jerk reaction for racial solidarity. Instead of addressing my question about the sudden support of the communist party especially from bloggers, you deviate and accuse me of saying all white people are racists.

By: Rose Morrow

Rose Morrow — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:10:30 +0000

Hey Mark P – make sure you get the right guys with those tainted pins!!! Don’t want any of the good guys falling over!

By: Mark P

Mark P — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:54:40 +0000

Em…I rekon I’m gonna create dolly copies of every living stinky SA politician and stick in some tainted pins every day, That’s the best chance I have [as a whitey] of influencing poli-tics in this country…

Well said Michael and Rose