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	<title>Comments on: Cosatu called it right on S&#8217;bu Ndebele&#8217;s Merc</title>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter L

The Land Bank was following none of the rules - which is why Trevor had to step in. For one thing they are only supposed to finance PRODUCTIVE farms, not golf estates for pals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter L</p>
<p>The Land Bank was following none of the rules &#8211; which is why Trevor had to step in. For one thing they are only supposed to finance PRODUCTIVE farms, not golf estates for pals!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall
&quot;Never mind his merc - what about his derelict farm, bought with a Land Bank loan, which used to employ 150 people?&quot;

Applying the ANC leaning bloggers argument (I genuinely struggle to follow their logic on many occasions), there is nothing at all wrong with said state of affairs:

* The farm was bought as part of an apparently normal commercial transaction - no law against this.
* A loan was given by the land bank - no law against this, although some lending rules and guidelines are prescribed - I have no idea to what extent they were followed - premumably 100%?
* The former employees have apparently been laid off, with the exception of a handful of subsistence farmers - there are labour laws governing this - prsumably S&#039;bu complied 100% with them.
* The property has been allowed to become derelect - no law against this, although some safety, health and environmental laws may now have been breached.

So, the ANC bloggers should be happy with this transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall<br />
&#8220;Never mind his merc &#8211; what about his derelict farm, bought with a Land Bank loan, which used to employ 150 people?&#8221;</p>
<p>Applying the ANC leaning bloggers argument (I genuinely struggle to follow their logic on many occasions), there is nothing at all wrong with said state of affairs:</p>
<p>* The farm was bought as part of an apparently normal commercial transaction &#8211; no law against this.<br />
* A loan was given by the land bank &#8211; no law against this, although some lending rules and guidelines are prescribed &#8211; I have no idea to what extent they were followed &#8211; premumably 100%?<br />
* The former employees have apparently been laid off, with the exception of a handful of subsistence farmers &#8211; there are labour laws governing this &#8211; prsumably S&#8217;bu complied 100% with them.<br />
* The property has been allowed to become derelect &#8211; no law against this, although some safety, health and environmental laws may now have been breached.</p>
<p>So, the ANC bloggers should be happy with this transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 10:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And did he pay back the Land Bank LOAN? Because many of the comrades did not - which is why it went bankrupt, and Trevor was called in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And did he pay back the Land Bank LOAN? Because many of the comrades did not &#8211; which is why it went bankrupt, and Trevor was called in.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 20:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind his merc - what about his derelict farm, bought with a Land Bank loan, which used to employ 150 people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind his merc &#8211; what about his derelict farm, bought with a Land Bank loan, which used to employ 150 people?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 12:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot see how anything of this magnitude can be considered a gift.
It is nothing more than a payment to put these contractors names at the top of the list for future contracts.
Anyone who cannot see that needs to visit an optician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot see how anything of this magnitude can be considered a gift.<br />
It is nothing more than a payment to put these contractors names at the top of the list for future contracts.<br />
Anyone who cannot see that needs to visit an optician.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 11:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Siphiwo,

Your &#039;delighted&#039; contractors should be deeply ashamed of themselves, if they have any self-respect, for forcing an offical to make a choice between self-enrichment and doing the right thing. Trying to portray them as innocent is rather amusing, and their &#039;gift&#039; is probably the oldest and hoariest cliche of bribery in the history of Africa since the 1960&#039;s - the good old &#039;wabenzi chariot&#039;. Subtle it sure ain&#039;t. How about offering school bursaries for a few thousand underprivileged kinds as a goal to &#039;aspire&#039; to? . All countries in the world deal with corruption, but your enthusiasm and support for corrupt behaviour is  a remarkably naive and pathetic (in the true sense of the word, implying a certain innocence and guilelessness) attitude . SA’s people - and especially the poor - deserve far, far better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Siphiwo,</p>
<p>Your &#8216;delighted&#8217; contractors should be deeply ashamed of themselves, if they have any self-respect, for forcing an offical to make a choice between self-enrichment and doing the right thing. Trying to portray them as innocent is rather amusing, and their &#8216;gift&#8217; is probably the oldest and hoariest cliche of bribery in the history of Africa since the 1960&#8242;s &#8211; the good old &#8216;wabenzi chariot&#8217;. Subtle it sure ain&#8217;t. How about offering school bursaries for a few thousand underprivileged kinds as a goal to &#8216;aspire&#8217; to? . All countries in the world deal with corruption, but your enthusiasm and support for corrupt behaviour is  a remarkably naive and pathetic (in the true sense of the word, implying a certain innocence and guilelessness) attitude . SA’s people &#8211; and especially the poor &#8211; deserve far, far better.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bongo

And another ANC LIE was &quot;we have never changed the constitution&quot; - with Constitutional Amendment NUMBER 17 in the wings to take away control of local and regional government if they got their 2/3 majority!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bongo</p>
<p>And another ANC LIE was &#8220;we have never changed the constitution&#8221; &#8211; with Constitutional Amendment NUMBER 17 in the wings to take away control of local and regional government if they got their 2/3 majority!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siphiwo

I do not follow how your post answers my point about what the minister might have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siphiwo</p>
<p>I do not follow how your post answers my point about what the minister might have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Themba Tantrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Themba Tantrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siphiwo...you keep saying the same thing over and over again..we know what your point is but your logic is flawed I am afraid....whether the businessmen in question were well established or emerging is neither here nor there. The guy works for the government, the govt that takes a significant portion from this emerging playas salary each month and as Jed above states it smacks of corruption whether its legal or not. It sets a precedence and sends a bad signal, this is the sort of nonsense that needs to be stopped. I voted for the same government as you but for every smart thing they do they do 3 things that are so incredibly stupid that sometimes it defies belief (musc like your continued stance on this topic. I have given them the benefit of the doubt but already it looks like my vote was wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siphiwo&#8230;you keep saying the same thing over and over again..we know what your point is but your logic is flawed I am afraid&#8230;.whether the businessmen in question were well established or emerging is neither here nor there. The guy works for the government, the govt that takes a significant portion from this emerging playas salary each month and as Jed above states it smacks of corruption whether its legal or not. It sets a precedence and sends a bad signal, this is the sort of nonsense that needs to be stopped. I voted for the same government as you but for every smart thing they do they do 3 things that are so incredibly stupid that sometimes it defies belief (musc like your continued stance on this topic. I have given them the benefit of the doubt but already it looks like my vote was wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 09:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bongo

That is the worst about the ANC

It LIES and LIES and LIES.

And to whom? - to uneducated voters who believe the ANC liberated them (which is another LIE).

A similar LIE is that floorcrossing was an opposition idea. Like most of their lies - a half truth (which the spiritual leader, psychiatrist and author Scott M Peck says is EVIL and worse than an outright lie).

Floorcrossing (to allow exercise of conscience) was a DP idea - but the ANC slipped in the 10% rule which meant that ONLY the ANC could ever benefit. They stalled and stalled and stalled on changing it ( like they have on disclosure of funding ) until, for the first time, after Polokwane, they faced a split of 10% from their OWN party ( the Mbeki supporters ).

Then with great moral rectitude they passed a law to change floorcrossing!

Their total dishonesty nauseates me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bongo</p>
<p>That is the worst about the ANC</p>
<p>It LIES and LIES and LIES.</p>
<p>And to whom? &#8211; to uneducated voters who believe the ANC liberated them (which is another LIE).</p>
<p>A similar LIE is that floorcrossing was an opposition idea. Like most of their lies &#8211; a half truth (which the spiritual leader, psychiatrist and author Scott M Peck says is EVIL and worse than an outright lie).</p>
<p>Floorcrossing (to allow exercise of conscience) was a DP idea &#8211; but the ANC slipped in the 10% rule which meant that ONLY the ANC could ever benefit. They stalled and stalled and stalled on changing it ( like they have on disclosure of funding ) until, for the first time, after Polokwane, they faced a split of 10% from their OWN party ( the Mbeki supporters ).</p>
<p>Then with great moral rectitude they passed a law to change floorcrossing!</p>
<p>Their total dishonesty nauseates me!</p>
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