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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillipa

What slave trade in Pondoland? 

And I echo Hugh - you should read some books and watch some TV (like the History Channel).

I have a friend who grew up in communist Bulgeria, like you in communist Poland - she had very similar prejudices to yours, but the difference is she was open to new ideas.

When she was about 8 years old the teacher told them that in the &quot;capitalist west&quot; poor people could not go to hospitals and died on the street. A little boy piped up and told the teacher that was not true - he was the son of the recently returned Bulgerian Ambassador to Paris. The child was not in school the next day - and disappeared for months!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillipa</p>
<p>What slave trade in Pondoland? </p>
<p>And I echo Hugh &#8211; you should read some books and watch some TV (like the History Channel).</p>
<p>I have a friend who grew up in communist Bulgeria, like you in communist Poland &#8211; she had very similar prejudices to yours, but the difference is she was open to new ideas.</p>
<p>When she was about 8 years old the teacher told them that in the &#8220;capitalist west&#8221; poor people could not go to hospitals and died on the street. A little boy piped up and told the teacher that was not true &#8211; he was the son of the recently returned Bulgerian Ambassador to Paris. The child was not in school the next day &#8211; and disappeared for months!</p>
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		<title>By: Phillipa Lipinsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillipa Lipinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hugh: &quot;Did you know that Robinson is a well known US Black slave Surname?&quot;
That is so funny. Just because the current US first lady&#039;s last name is Robinson doesn&#039;t mean that only blacks have that surname. I know that  you are white and NOT American, you don&#039;t even have to deny it.

It&#039;s funny you are refering to the Arab slave trade in Africa and Pondoland. You are merely echoing Lyndall Beddy. You don&#039;t even sound like you have read any of those books which you are recommending. My advice: stop being racist, get a little education and stop pining after Apartheid (it will never return). Go to the gym, stay healthy and grudge-free and you will most certainly elongate your life.

Warm regards,
phillipa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hugh: &#8220;Did you know that Robinson is a well known US Black slave Surname?&#8221;<br />
That is so funny. Just because the current US first lady&#8217;s last name is Robinson doesn&#8217;t mean that only blacks have that surname. I know that  you are white and NOT American, you don&#8217;t even have to deny it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny you are refering to the Arab slave trade in Africa and Pondoland. You are merely echoing Lyndall Beddy. You don&#8217;t even sound like you have read any of those books which you are recommending. My advice: stop being racist, get a little education and stop pining after Apartheid (it will never return). Go to the gym, stay healthy and grudge-free and you will most certainly elongate your life.</p>
<p>Warm regards,<br />
phillipa</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillipa Lipinsky on May 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm. 

Sorry Phillipa - You have to know your AFRICAN history before you call someone a Racist. How do you know I am white? Does the name give it away or are you guessing? Did you know that Robinson is a well known US Black slave Surname?

If you have treated people so badly that you are overcome with guilt, do not make it mine or the White’s problem. If you can go back 300 years how about 1900 years.

Start with some research, say the Arabic African writings of 100AD then work your way through African history reading Livingston, Samuel Baker, Fredrick Forsyth, Ffiona Campbell and many others. How about a nice book called War Junkie?

How about the Local pogrom of the 1800&#039;s when the Xhosa, Pondo, and other tribes were saved from extinction by the white settlers. Do some reading on the revered Vilakaszi.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillipa Lipinsky on May 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm. </p>
<p>Sorry Phillipa &#8211; You have to know your AFRICAN history before you call someone a Racist. How do you know I am white? Does the name give it away or are you guessing? Did you know that Robinson is a well known US Black slave Surname?</p>
<p>If you have treated people so badly that you are overcome with guilt, do not make it mine or the White’s problem. If you can go back 300 years how about 1900 years.</p>
<p>Start with some research, say the Arabic African writings of 100AD then work your way through African history reading Livingston, Samuel Baker, Fredrick Forsyth, Ffiona Campbell and many others. How about a nice book called War Junkie?</p>
<p>How about the Local pogrom of the 1800&#8242;s when the Xhosa, Pondo, and other tribes were saved from extinction by the white settlers. Do some reading on the revered Vilakaszi.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Graaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Graaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lyndall (last comment): Interestingly Tanzania differs from its neighbours in that under German rule, the traditional ruler system was totally demolished, and the British were unable to put it together again before independence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lyndall (last comment): Interestingly Tanzania differs from its neighbours in that under German rule, the traditional ruler system was totally demolished, and the British were unable to put it together again before independence.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty nearly only one African country tackled its land issue intelligently - Tanzania - and they were SOCIALIST not communist! They evicted almost the whole rural population from their traditional villages and moved them into modern workable village co-operatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty nearly only one African country tackled its land issue intelligently &#8211; Tanzania &#8211; and they were SOCIALIST not communist! They evicted almost the whole rural population from their traditional villages and moved them into modern workable village co-operatives.</p>
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		<title>By: japes</title>
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		<dc:creator>japes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sjoe, some good old racism from the usual Philipa and Hugh, hang your heads in shame.

Ismail, I call you on your 99% - give us a reference.

I would like to be that Mulder was appointed to help in sorting the land issue out. As Lyndall says, Mbeki copied his pal Mugabe by making land a huge issue. It isn&#039;t. SA needs its neighbours to be stable (no inflow into an already overflowing pool of the jobless) and an economy that will grow and generate jobs.

Land has nothing to contribute except we should try not to lose the jobs that it provides. Appropriate education and training (SETA&#039;s are a corrupt cesspool), fill government posts with competent people and look for opportunity. For example, many people whine that aid to Africa is useless. Let SA take a lead in managing approprite aid. This will provide work for SA and stability for the countries being aided then their people won&#039;t flood SA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sjoe, some good old racism from the usual Philipa and Hugh, hang your heads in shame.</p>
<p>Ismail, I call you on your 99% &#8211; give us a reference.</p>
<p>I would like to be that Mulder was appointed to help in sorting the land issue out. As Lyndall says, Mbeki copied his pal Mugabe by making land a huge issue. It isn&#8217;t. SA needs its neighbours to be stable (no inflow into an already overflowing pool of the jobless) and an economy that will grow and generate jobs.</p>
<p>Land has nothing to contribute except we should try not to lose the jobs that it provides. Appropriate education and training (SETA&#8217;s are a corrupt cesspool), fill government posts with competent people and look for opportunity. For example, many people whine that aid to Africa is useless. Let SA take a lead in managing approprite aid. This will provide work for SA and stability for the countries being aided then their people won&#8217;t flood SA.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old, female, paleface

Helen has WON! That is WHY they are all throwing their toys out of the cot like children!

This fight is MUCH easier than the fight she had to keep Cape Town - and they did everything to unseat her there as well.

She has deliberately provoked them - and exposed them for the sexist racists that they are.

Cool down. From now will be easier. But the ANC will provoke service delivery protests in the townships until 2011. The DA has been expecting it. They are prepared.

Have some pity. The ordinary people have been brainwashed with lies.

And Zuma is just a puppet. There are some good brains in the ANC. Let us see how they do with the rest of the country.

And don&#039;t blame it ALL on Mbeki. Mandela WAS president!

I also comment on The Times - as letpeoplespeak. On both The Times and TL - people are communicating more, and may not have changed opinions, but are more tolerant of opposition viewpoints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old, female, paleface</p>
<p>Helen has WON! That is WHY they are all throwing their toys out of the cot like children!</p>
<p>This fight is MUCH easier than the fight she had to keep Cape Town &#8211; and they did everything to unseat her there as well.</p>
<p>She has deliberately provoked them &#8211; and exposed them for the sexist racists that they are.</p>
<p>Cool down. From now will be easier. But the ANC will provoke service delivery protests in the townships until 2011. The DA has been expecting it. They are prepared.</p>
<p>Have some pity. The ordinary people have been brainwashed with lies.</p>
<p>And Zuma is just a puppet. There are some good brains in the ANC. Let us see how they do with the rest of the country.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t blame it ALL on Mbeki. Mandela WAS president!</p>
<p>I also comment on The Times &#8211; as letpeoplespeak. On both The Times and TL &#8211; people are communicating more, and may not have changed opinions, but are more tolerant of opposition viewpoints.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Guy - I am not sure what you are trying to say?

I belive the DA is right to remain wholly independent from the government - this is how the opposition operate in a helathy democracy.

As for DA members being appointed diplomats by the ANC and being of English descent - well nobody&#039;s perfect? Really not sure what you are taking issue with here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Guy &#8211; I am not sure what you are trying to say?</p>
<p>I belive the DA is right to remain wholly independent from the government &#8211; this is how the opposition operate in a helathy democracy.</p>
<p>As for DA members being appointed diplomats by the ANC and being of English descent &#8211; well nobody&#8217;s perfect? Really not sure what you are taking issue with here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Graaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Graaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 14:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides his ethnicity, Mulder represents an elite network which lingers on from its days of political ascendance. Zuma&#039;s move is thus alliance-building between new and old elites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides his ethnicity, Mulder represents an elite network which lingers on from its days of political ascendance. Zuma&#8217;s move is thus alliance-building between new and old elites.</p>
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		<title>By: Old, female, paleface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old, female, paleface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall -
I leave you to fight the good fight - as I am worn out.  
I am compelled to stop reading due to a raging, constant migraine from sheer anger.
My political frenzy has my blood pressure at stroke level diastolic 110. I have no alternative.
I have enjoyed your comments immensely and you remind me of Helen, facing up to all the males.  
I have just read comments on the Times, now invaded by ANCYL - and my anger is pointless - we are losing the war not only the battles.

I will have to break my addiction to politics and bid all my detractors, demeaners and insulters goodbye.
You can say &quot;good riddance.&quot;  That is okay, maybe I deserve it, with all my forecasts of doom ahead.
Which I, like you, hope was just a pessimism.

Only &quot;God knows&quot; as Mbeki said - how I will occupy my mind, after a lifetime of fighting the odds against impervious damn politicians.

VIVA South Africa, my beloved and only homeland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall -<br />
I leave you to fight the good fight &#8211; as I am worn out.<br />
I am compelled to stop reading due to a raging, constant migraine from sheer anger.<br />
My political frenzy has my blood pressure at stroke level diastolic 110. I have no alternative.<br />
I have enjoyed your comments immensely and you remind me of Helen, facing up to all the males.<br />
I have just read comments on the Times, now invaded by ANCYL &#8211; and my anger is pointless &#8211; we are losing the war not only the battles.</p>
<p>I will have to break my addiction to politics and bid all my detractors, demeaners and insulters goodbye.<br />
You can say &#8220;good riddance.&#8221;  That is okay, maybe I deserve it, with all my forecasts of doom ahead.<br />
Which I, like you, hope was just a pessimism.</p>
<p>Only &#8220;God knows&#8221; as Mbeki said &#8211; how I will occupy my mind, after a lifetime of fighting the odds against impervious damn politicians.</p>
<p>VIVA South Africa, my beloved and only homeland.</p>
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