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		<title>By: SAHRC finds COSATU spokesperson Bongani Masuku guilty of hate-speech &#124; Open Shuhada Street</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/02/10/cosatu-are-anti-semitic/comment-page-2/#comment-137573</link>
		<dc:creator>SAHRC finds COSATU spokesperson Bongani Masuku guilty of hate-speech &#124; Open Shuhada Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this point Michael Trapido wrote an article on the ThoughtLeader blog. Trapido had like many others, had been privy to the Masuku-Magid-Posner correspondence. After [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/02/10/cosatu-are-anti-semitic/comment-page-2/#comment-72357</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi BLACKLISTED DICTATOR,
Sorry, but I disagree with you. In the case of Israel, I think if you are surrounded by a huge majority who want to destroy your existence, then you&#039;d better hit them good and hard, because they are not going to listen to reason. They hate Jews, especially Israeli Jews full stop.
The jihadist who abound in the middle east have the destruction of Israel as their primary objective. They have no intention of settling for anything less.
Remember that for muslims any form of deceit is allowed in a war against Jews and infidels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi BLACKLISTED DICTATOR,<br />
Sorry, but I disagree with you. In the case of Israel, I think if you are surrounded by a huge majority who want to destroy your existence, then you&#8217;d better hit them good and hard, because they are not going to listen to reason. They hate Jews, especially Israeli Jews full stop.<br />
The jihadist who abound in the middle east have the destruction of Israel as their primary objective. They have no intention of settling for anything less.<br />
Remember that for muslims any form of deceit is allowed in a war against Jews and infidels.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryn</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/02/10/cosatu-are-anti-semitic/comment-page-2/#comment-72314</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t consider myself to be anti-Semitic. I am passionately anti-religion, whether it&#039;s Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any of a vast number of other belief systems.  

I condemn Israel&#039;s  actions because it is a human tragedy, not only for the Palestinians but also for Israelis.  I condemn the building of that wall because it has detrimental effects on people&#039;s lives.  I support the plight of the Palestinians because they too have the right to live in a land of their own, in peace.

Just a question, because I&#039;d genuinely like to know -  Let&#039;s say the Palestinians get their own country and tensions in the Middle East start to ease, what, if anything, happens with Jerusalem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself to be anti-Semitic. I am passionately anti-religion, whether it&#8217;s Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any of a vast number of other belief systems.  </p>
<p>I condemn Israel&#8217;s  actions because it is a human tragedy, not only for the Palestinians but also for Israelis.  I condemn the building of that wall because it has detrimental effects on people&#8217;s lives.  I support the plight of the Palestinians because they too have the right to live in a land of their own, in peace.</p>
<p>Just a question, because I&#8217;d genuinely like to know &#8211;  Let&#8217;s say the Palestinians get their own country and tensions in the Middle East start to ease, what, if anything, happens with Jerusalem?</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/02/10/cosatu-are-anti-semitic/comment-page-2/#comment-72100</link>
		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I think that your readers (and Cosatu) should take a look at this...

http://www.antisem.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I think that your readers (and Cosatu) should take a look at this&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.antisem.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.antisem.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/02/10/cosatu-are-anti-semitic/comment-page-2/#comment-72095</link>
		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SERMON ON THE TABLE MOUNTAIN: ANTISEMITISM

It is time for me to speak unto The Jews of Johannesburg about something which pains me greatly. It is the wide-spread hatred of My People which, in the modern era has been called antisemitism. On the other hand, Prof Farid Esack uses the words &quot; Jewish hatred&quot; and I see no reason why our different terms are not inter-changeable because  they meaneth the same thing. For verily if a man is anti The Semite is he not truly hating The Jew? I am not talking semantics but common sense.

In recent days, there has been much talk of antisemitism. Of course, I refer to The Deputy Foreign Minister&#039;s unfortunate words which led me, and one or two of my disciples, using modern technology to communicate our displeasure. We chose the fax machine. Although there is none on Table Mountain, I took the lift down to the city where such technology resides. And, of course, as is now well-known, I faxed Fatima. This fax was important and was widely reported throughout our fair media.

I have also been receiving emails, at my office on sea level, alleging that Cosatu is antisemitic. Whether it is, or isn&#039;t, isn&#039;t relevant at the moment. I was not at the demonstration in Raedene led by Ronno Einstein so I cannot comment on whether comparing Jews to Nazis is actually antisemitic. This debate is a can of worms and I tell The Jews in Johannesburg that I have too much dignity to enter into its dirty recriminations.

It is my belief, however, that The Jews of Johannesburg are creating antisemitism by not condemning The Israelites. Surely The South African Zionist Federation should speak out against the Israelites war on The Hamasites? Isn&#039;t that what a Zionist federation is obligated to do in post-apartheid South Africa?

Let me remind The Pharisees that the high walls at Beyachad do not make them safe. I prefer to walk bare foot on the sand at Sea Point in the company of my disciples. We are not scared. Sometimes I even paddle in the sea although I do admit that I have never walked upon the water as it is usually too rough.

Here endeth my sermon on Antisemitism / Jewish Hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SERMON ON THE TABLE MOUNTAIN: ANTISEMITISM</p>
<p>It is time for me to speak unto The Jews of Johannesburg about something which pains me greatly. It is the wide-spread hatred of My People which, in the modern era has been called antisemitism. On the other hand, Prof Farid Esack uses the words &#8221; Jewish hatred&#8221; and I see no reason why our different terms are not inter-changeable because  they meaneth the same thing. For verily if a man is anti The Semite is he not truly hating The Jew? I am not talking semantics but common sense.</p>
<p>In recent days, there has been much talk of antisemitism. Of course, I refer to The Deputy Foreign Minister&#8217;s unfortunate words which led me, and one or two of my disciples, using modern technology to communicate our displeasure. We chose the fax machine. Although there is none on Table Mountain, I took the lift down to the city where such technology resides. And, of course, as is now well-known, I faxed Fatima. This fax was important and was widely reported throughout our fair media.</p>
<p>I have also been receiving emails, at my office on sea level, alleging that Cosatu is antisemitic. Whether it is, or isn&#8217;t, isn&#8217;t relevant at the moment. I was not at the demonstration in Raedene led by Ronno Einstein so I cannot comment on whether comparing Jews to Nazis is actually antisemitic. This debate is a can of worms and I tell The Jews in Johannesburg that I have too much dignity to enter into its dirty recriminations.</p>
<p>It is my belief, however, that The Jews of Johannesburg are creating antisemitism by not condemning The Israelites. Surely The South African Zionist Federation should speak out against the Israelites war on The Hamasites? Isn&#8217;t that what a Zionist federation is obligated to do in post-apartheid South Africa?</p>
<p>Let me remind The Pharisees that the high walls at Beyachad do not make them safe. I prefer to walk bare foot on the sand at Sea Point in the company of my disciples. We are not scared. Sometimes I even paddle in the sea although I do admit that I have never walked upon the water as it is usually too rough.</p>
<p>Here endeth my sermon on Antisemitism / Jewish Hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank,
I might be mistaken, but I don&#039;t know of any Calvinists lately who use religious intolerance and violence to try and destroy a nation just because they think Jews are apes monkeys, pigs and dogs. The Arab countries surrounding Israel, want to destroy it because its citizens are Jews. These Arabs can&#039;t be anti-semitic in a nationalist sense as they are Semites themselves. They are anti-semitic only in the sense that they hate Jews. I can only assume because of some deep-seated inferiority complex.(Possibly well deserved).
I really have no time for anti-semites of any ilk. People should accept responsibility for their own shortcomings and stop seeking innocent scapegoats. It&#039;s bloody tragic in more than one sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank,<br />
I might be mistaken, but I don&#8217;t know of any Calvinists lately who use religious intolerance and violence to try and destroy a nation just because they think Jews are apes monkeys, pigs and dogs. The Arab countries surrounding Israel, want to destroy it because its citizens are Jews. These Arabs can&#8217;t be anti-semitic in a nationalist sense as they are Semites themselves. They are anti-semitic only in the sense that they hate Jews. I can only assume because of some deep-seated inferiority complex.(Possibly well deserved).<br />
I really have no time for anti-semites of any ilk. People should accept responsibility for their own shortcomings and stop seeking innocent scapegoats. It&#8217;s bloody tragic in more than one sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Nnete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Nnete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
Sure. I take the point about Calvinism being part of the Abrahamic religions. I was just pointing out that the same phenomenon is found close to home.

Oldfox,
Thanks for the link i found it useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
Sure. I take the point about Calvinism being part of the Abrahamic religions. I was just pointing out that the same phenomenon is found close to home.</p>
<p>Oldfox,<br />
Thanks for the link i found it useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I can understand the killing/murdering of civilians incl. babies in Gaza by the IDF. But please explain why chickens and cows were also deliberately killed, why did tanks deliberately destroy agricultural &quot;tunnels&quot; (hothouses with plastic sheeting, not glass)?

See e.g. 
Gaza desperately short of food after Israel destroys farmland
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/01/gaza-food-crisis

Well, I guess the Palestinians should be very grateful the IDF did not plough salt into the ground, like the ancient Romans did after they conquered the Carthaginians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I can understand the killing/murdering of civilians incl. babies in Gaza by the IDF. But please explain why chickens and cows were also deliberately killed, why did tanks deliberately destroy agricultural &#8220;tunnels&#8221; (hothouses with plastic sheeting, not glass)?</p>
<p>See e.g.<br />
Gaza desperately short of food after Israel destroys farmland<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/01/gaza-food-crisis" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/01/gaza-food-crisis</a></p>
<p>Well, I guess the Palestinians should be very grateful the IDF did not plough salt into the ground, like the ancient Romans did after they conquered the Carthaginians.</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/02/10/cosatu-are-anti-semitic/comment-page-2/#comment-71517</link>
		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
As the various daily shenanigans proceed, particularly in the South African context with regard to Israel, her detractors and the wider Middle East, I reflect on the following...
In 1990, a year after the fatwa, Salman Rushdie wrote: ‘I feel as if I have been plunged, like Alice, into a world beyond the looking glass, where nonsense is the only available sense. And I wonder if I’ll ever be able to climb back through.’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
As the various daily shenanigans proceed, particularly in the South African context with regard to Israel, her detractors and the wider Middle East, I reflect on the following&#8230;<br />
In 1990, a year after the fatwa, Salman Rushdie wrote: ‘I feel as if I have been plunged, like Alice, into a world beyond the looking glass, where nonsense is the only available sense. And I wonder if I’ll ever be able to climb back through.’</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2009/02/10/cosatu-are-anti-semitic/comment-page-2/#comment-71503</link>
		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I wonder whether the ANC/COSATU will actually boycott Israel when Zuma comes to power..

At precisely the same time as Cosatu was trying to stop the unloading of cargo from Israel , South Africa’s largest cargo terminal operator (Transnet) selected NICE’s state-of-the-art digital video surveillance solution to improve security at key ports and ensure compliance with this country’s critical infrastructure regulations. And where are NICE&#039;s HQ? Israel.

And if you don&#039;t believe that the world works in such ironical ways, check out...
 http://newsblaze.com/story/2009020504031100008.pnw/topstory.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I wonder whether the ANC/COSATU will actually boycott Israel when Zuma comes to power..</p>
<p>At precisely the same time as Cosatu was trying to stop the unloading of cargo from Israel , South Africa’s largest cargo terminal operator (Transnet) selected NICE’s state-of-the-art digital video surveillance solution to improve security at key ports and ensure compliance with this country’s critical infrastructure regulations. And where are NICE&#8217;s HQ? Israel.</p>
<p>And if you don&#8217;t believe that the world works in such ironical ways, check out&#8230;<br />
 <a href="http://newsblaze.com/story/2009020504031100008.pnw/topstory.html" rel="nofollow">http://newsblaze.com/story/2009020504031100008.pnw/topstory.html</a></p>
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