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		<title>By: Michael Trapido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Trapido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find amazing is that anyone could even suggest culpability on the part of Tsvangirai. He has not governed Zim for a single day.

PLUS he is expected to accept a deal which allows the idiots who have destroyed the country to carry on ruling while he gives their genocide respectability by participating in it.

Staggering!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find amazing is that anyone could even suggest culpability on the part of Tsvangirai. He has not governed Zim for a single day.</p>
<p>PLUS he is expected to accept a deal which allows the idiots who have destroyed the country to carry on ruling while he gives their genocide respectability by participating in it.</p>
<p>Staggering!</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgan is the first &#039;non-liberator&#039; to win an election in Southern Africa?  Really?

Zimbabwe is one of the newest nations in Southern Africa; some others have been through variants of this cycle already - as an example, look at the difference between Kaunda&#039;s final admission of defeat and Mugabe&#039;s continued intransigence.  It&#039;s incredibly telling.  Kaunda hung on until there was rioting and his country was being looked upon as a joke, and then realised that there had been fundamental changes in his world.  Mugabe refuses to acknowledge that anything can change.  These differences have nothing whatsoever to do with Tsvangirai; they are differences in the &#039;liberator&#039;s&#039; viewpoint.

And let&#039;s be honest, he didn&#039;t actually win because it wasn&#039;t actually an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan is the first &#8216;non-liberator&#8217; to win an election in Southern Africa?  Really?</p>
<p>Zimbabwe is one of the newest nations in Southern Africa; some others have been through variants of this cycle already &#8211; as an example, look at the difference between Kaunda&#8217;s final admission of defeat and Mugabe&#8217;s continued intransigence.  It&#8217;s incredibly telling.  Kaunda hung on until there was rioting and his country was being looked upon as a joke, and then realised that there had been fundamental changes in his world.  Mugabe refuses to acknowledge that anything can change.  These differences have nothing whatsoever to do with Tsvangirai; they are differences in the &#8216;liberator&#8217;s&#8217; viewpoint.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s be honest, he didn&#8217;t actually win because it wasn&#8217;t actually an election.</p>
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		<title>By: munya</title>
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		<dc:creator>munya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sad. What you are all saying here is ammunition for Mugabe to use when he speaks to heads of state in SADC next week.
1. Remember the militia story - mdc training bandits in Botswana?
2. Soldiers rioting in the streets - you have swallowed that? Good.
3. Put the two together. 
If you have swallowed the &quot;mutiny&quot;, why would you blame the SADC heads of state for swallowing it as well?
4. Under the circumstances, would any one of them criticise a STATE OF EMERGENCY imposed to deal with a &quot;mutiny&quot;, a coup (that you all believe is in the offing, which is supported by a neighbouring state, known to be vocal and vitriolic in condemning Mugabe?
The chilling story, the plan, perfect in every detail, is explained in detail my favourite blog author Denford Magora on his blog.
After reading all these comments I see just how utterly brilliant Mugabe&#039;s plan is. You are actually swallowing it. So will the heads of state of SADC and the Emergency measures will be given his blessing.
Gotta love it, don&#039;t you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sad. What you are all saying here is ammunition for Mugabe to use when he speaks to heads of state in SADC next week.<br />
1. Remember the militia story &#8211; mdc training bandits in Botswana?<br />
2. Soldiers rioting in the streets &#8211; you have swallowed that? Good.<br />
3. Put the two together.<br />
If you have swallowed the &#8220;mutiny&#8221;, why would you blame the SADC heads of state for swallowing it as well?<br />
4. Under the circumstances, would any one of them criticise a STATE OF EMERGENCY imposed to deal with a &#8220;mutiny&#8221;, a coup (that you all believe is in the offing, which is supported by a neighbouring state, known to be vocal and vitriolic in condemning Mugabe?<br />
The chilling story, the plan, perfect in every detail, is explained in detail my favourite blog author Denford Magora on his blog.<br />
After reading all these comments I see just how utterly brilliant Mugabe&#8217;s plan is. You are actually swallowing it. So will the heads of state of SADC and the Emergency measures will be given his blessing.<br />
Gotta love it, don&#8217;t you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benzol

&quot;And then what?&quot;. Normally one votes in the opposition. However, not in Africa. The old boys club rushes to the rescue and forces a &quot;unity&quot; government.

Katse

There were 12 million people in Zimbabwe. 1 million were displaced in a wipe out of an urban&quot;slum&quot;. 1.5 million were farm workers kicked off the farms. None of them could vote - because they were displaced from their voting districts. 3-5 million have left the country and can&#039;t vote either. No new registration of voters has been done in 8 years - so anyone who tuened 18 in the last 8 years can&#039;t vote. So only 2 million people could vote - and Mugabe still lost!

Anton S

Don&#039;t blame Africans.Blame Mbeki. Blame SADC. Blame the AU. Blame the UN.

Morgan is fighting for democracy in all of Southern Africa. He is the first non &quot;liberation&quot; party that has won an election, despite everything, and Africa&#039;s elites and dictators can&#039;t face it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benzol</p>
<p>&#8220;And then what?&#8221;. Normally one votes in the opposition. However, not in Africa. The old boys club rushes to the rescue and forces a &#8220;unity&#8221; government.</p>
<p>Katse</p>
<p>There were 12 million people in Zimbabwe. 1 million were displaced in a wipe out of an urban&#8221;slum&#8221;. 1.5 million were farm workers kicked off the farms. None of them could vote &#8211; because they were displaced from their voting districts. 3-5 million have left the country and can&#8217;t vote either. No new registration of voters has been done in 8 years &#8211; so anyone who tuened 18 in the last 8 years can&#8217;t vote. So only 2 million people could vote &#8211; and Mugabe still lost!</p>
<p>Anton S</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame Africans.Blame Mbeki. Blame SADC. Blame the AU. Blame the UN.</p>
<p>Morgan is fighting for democracy in all of Southern Africa. He is the first non &#8220;liberation&#8221; party that has won an election, despite everything, and Africa&#8217;s elites and dictators can&#8217;t face it.</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
For some time I have argued that Zimbabwe is effectively a province of South Africa. Such an argument has not received wide-spread currency in the South African media. But I think, that in time you and other commentators ,will start to understand my point. I think that it needs to be stressed....
 Zimbabwe is not The SADC&#039;s problem.
 It is not the AU&#039;s problem.
 It is not The UN&#039;s problem.
 It is not Barack Obama&#039;s problem. 
 It is South Africa&#039;s problem.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7763397.stm

&quot;Meanwhile, it has been confirmed that the Limpopo River, on Zimbabwe&#039;s border with South Africa, has been contaminated with cholera.
South African local health department spokesman Phuti Seloba has warned people not to use the river water at all.
Cases of cholera have been reported either side of Zimbabwe&#039;s borders with South Africa, Botswana and Mozambique.
The BBC&#039;s Peter Biles reports from the South African town of Musina, near the border with Zimbabwe, that cholera patients are being treated at an emergency centre on the lawn in front of the hospital.
One cholera victim from Harare told him that on Zimbabwe&#039;s side of the border, toilets had not functioned for a month, and people were &quot;defecating everywhere&quot;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
For some time I have argued that Zimbabwe is effectively a province of South Africa. Such an argument has not received wide-spread currency in the South African media. But I think, that in time you and other commentators ,will start to understand my point. I think that it needs to be stressed&#8230;.<br />
 Zimbabwe is not The SADC&#8217;s problem.<br />
 It is not the AU&#8217;s problem.<br />
 It is not The UN&#8217;s problem.<br />
 It is not Barack Obama&#8217;s problem.<br />
 It is South Africa&#8217;s problem.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7763397.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7763397.stm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Meanwhile, it has been confirmed that the Limpopo River, on Zimbabwe&#8217;s border with South Africa, has been contaminated with cholera.<br />
South African local health department spokesman Phuti Seloba has warned people not to use the river water at all.<br />
Cases of cholera have been reported either side of Zimbabwe&#8217;s borders with South Africa, Botswana and Mozambique.<br />
The BBC&#8217;s Peter Biles reports from the South African town of Musina, near the border with Zimbabwe, that cholera patients are being treated at an emergency centre on the lawn in front of the hospital.<br />
One cholera victim from Harare told him that on Zimbabwe&#8217;s side of the border, toilets had not functioned for a month, and people were &#8220;defecating everywhere&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Munyaradzi on December 3rd, 2008 at 9:45 am
Thank you for your post. Please keep this blog updated. 

There are people in South Africa who care about your plight and understand, only too well, that Mugabe must go. 

Unfortunately, the ANCrooks are propping Mugabe up. It is a national disgrace and all South Africans should hold their heads in shame. 

How anyone can still vote ZUMALEMA PF, having taken account of their appalling support for ZANU PF, is quite unbelievable. We truly live in bizarre times. 

ANC supporters are morally culpable for the tragedy that is unfolding in Zimbabwe. Whether they should come before a tribunal, once Mugabe dies, is debatable. I suppose that under international law, ANC supporters will walk free. But morally...they are damned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Munyaradzi on December 3rd, 2008 at 9:45 am<br />
Thank you for your post. Please keep this blog updated. </p>
<p>There are people in South Africa who care about your plight and understand, only too well, that Mugabe must go. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the ANCrooks are propping Mugabe up. It is a national disgrace and all South Africans should hold their heads in shame. </p>
<p>How anyone can still vote ZUMALEMA PF, having taken account of their appalling support for ZANU PF, is quite unbelievable. We truly live in bizarre times. </p>
<p>ANC supporters are morally culpable for the tragedy that is unfolding in Zimbabwe. Whether they should come before a tribunal, once Mugabe dies, is debatable. I suppose that under international law, ANC supporters will walk free. But morally&#8230;they are damned!</p>
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		<title>By: japes</title>
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		<dc:creator>japes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad and scary. Anthrax is a potential killer. Not for nothing is it one of the favourites of germ warfare and post 9/11 postal scares. 30 or so years ago it was feared in SA (not sure about now). If an animal was supected of having died of anthrax the carcase was burnt and buried but not before some brave soul took a blood smear from the spleen and sent it off to the State vet. Not sure also what he did but of course all these ssytems are pretty much gone in SA, let alone Zim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad and scary. Anthrax is a potential killer. Not for nothing is it one of the favourites of germ warfare and post 9/11 postal scares. 30 or so years ago it was feared in SA (not sure about now). If an animal was supected of having died of anthrax the carcase was burnt and buried but not before some brave soul took a blood smear from the spleen and sent it off to the State vet. Not sure also what he did but of course all these ssytems are pretty much gone in SA, let alone Zim.</p>
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		<title>By: Katse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Munyaradzi, Why did Mugabe get such number of votes to start with???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Munyaradzi, Why did Mugabe get such number of votes to start with???</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Trapido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Trapido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest the guys all read Munyaradzi&#039;s comment.

That says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest the guys all read Munyaradzi&#8217;s comment.</p>
<p>That says it all.</p>
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		<title>By: AntonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AntonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall 

I think we as African people should firstly blame ourselves for the knaves we put into power and then even continue to support them, after it becomes brazenly evident, that they were entirely motivated by self-glorification.

The reason for this, I believe is the African &quot;culture&quot; of absentee fathers in the home, because the children, so long for a father, that they will hero-worship anybody who represents an imagined father to them , no matter how vile  this person may be. So the solution really starts in the home and not really in politics, where the model for good governance should have been established.

I realise that this is long and hard term solution which seems hopeless, because to change this would require a God given miracle really !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall </p>
<p>I think we as African people should firstly blame ourselves for the knaves we put into power and then even continue to support them, after it becomes brazenly evident, that they were entirely motivated by self-glorification.</p>
<p>The reason for this, I believe is the African &#8220;culture&#8221; of absentee fathers in the home, because the children, so long for a father, that they will hero-worship anybody who represents an imagined father to them , no matter how vile  this person may be. So the solution really starts in the home and not really in politics, where the model for good governance should have been established.</p>
<p>I realise that this is long and hard term solution which seems hopeless, because to change this would require a God given miracle really !</p>
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