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		<title>By: CitizenX</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-54000</link>
		<dc:creator>CitizenX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being accused of rape by a woman and not being found guilty does not exempt one from any future criticism that uses a &quot;rape&quot; metaphor. Imagine Zapiro thinking, &quot;Wow, what a perfect metaphor - the rape of the justice system! It&#039;s exactly what can happen now to our country if we don&#039;t look out! Oh, wait. He&#039;s been accused of rape before so I can&#039;t use that. And he&#039;s black. We are not allowed to depict black men as rapists - only racists allow for the possibility that black men can be rapists. I will have to use it on someone who has never been accused of rape.  Preferably a white guy. Bummer.&quot; Yes, that is exactly how we want our independent thinkers and watchdogs to think like in a truly free and open society! Perhaps they need to write to the ruling party and request permission to criticize them, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being accused of rape by a woman and not being found guilty does not exempt one from any future criticism that uses a &#8220;rape&#8221; metaphor. Imagine Zapiro thinking, &#8220;Wow, what a perfect metaphor &#8211; the rape of the justice system! It&#8217;s exactly what can happen now to our country if we don&#8217;t look out! Oh, wait. He&#8217;s been accused of rape before so I can&#8217;t use that. And he&#8217;s black. We are not allowed to depict black men as rapists &#8211; only racists allow for the possibility that black men can be rapists. I will have to use it on someone who has never been accused of rape.  Preferably a white guy. Bummer.&#8221; Yes, that is exactly how we want our independent thinkers and watchdogs to think like in a truly free and open society! Perhaps they need to write to the ruling party and request permission to criticize them, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-53910</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BL

I did not intend to hurt your feelings - but you and Traps are fiddling while Rome is burning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BL</p>
<p>I did not intend to hurt your feelings &#8211; but you and Traps are fiddling while Rome is burning!</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-53908</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Catto

Sorry - what you have been taught about those revolutions is propaganda not history. In none of the cases did &quot;the people&quot; revolt against monarchies or anything else. That is school book revisionary history. In all cases a middle class developed, went after power, and got overtaken by mob rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Catto</p>
<p>Sorry &#8211; what you have been taught about those revolutions is propaganda not history. In none of the cases did &#8220;the people&#8221; revolt against monarchies or anything else. That is school book revisionary history. In all cases a middle class developed, went after power, and got overtaken by mob rule.</p>
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		<title>By: nzs</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-53832</link>
		<dc:creator>nzs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trapido,

Enough now with your directionless equivocation on the central questions (posed by Blacklisted Dictator). Why don&#039;t you start attempting to answer these questions, especially that they go to the heart of the caricature itself?

Over to you, Mr Trapido!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trapido,</p>
<p>Enough now with your directionless equivocation on the central questions (posed by Blacklisted Dictator). Why don&#8217;t you start attempting to answer these questions, especially that they go to the heart of the caricature itself?</p>
<p>Over to you, Mr Trapido!</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-53831</link>
		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall Beddy,

I can put your mind at rest. I have stopped our &quot;stupid squabblings about irrelevancies&quot; and will no longer comment on this blog.

I hope that readers of this blog can now concentrate on the wisdom, insights, wit, historical knowledge, relevant comments etc that are integral to your comments.

I am sure that you have a massive fan base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall Beddy,</p>
<p>I can put your mind at rest. I have stopped our &#8220;stupid squabblings about irrelevancies&#8221; and will no longer comment on this blog.</p>
<p>I hope that readers of this blog can now concentrate on the wisdom, insights, wit, historical knowledge, relevant comments etc that are integral to your comments.</p>
<p>I am sure that you have a massive fan base.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Catto</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-53828</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Catto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lyndall Beddy: There is a reason why revolutions took place in those countries and deposed the monarchies.

Wherever a monarchy has abused their subjects, eventually they have revolted.

Britain had its monarchy briefly deposed by Oliver Cromwell, but his rule was even worse than the Kingdom he overthrew and Britain reverted.

To prevent rebellions we need to look at the root causes of them and find ways to address issues before people take up arms to gain the freedom they seek.

South Africa avoided going down that path by negotiating with the ANC in the early 90s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lyndall Beddy: There is a reason why revolutions took place in those countries and deposed the monarchies.</p>
<p>Wherever a monarchy has abused their subjects, eventually they have revolted.</p>
<p>Britain had its monarchy briefly deposed by Oliver Cromwell, but his rule was even worse than the Kingdom he overthrew and Britain reverted.</p>
<p>To prevent rebellions we need to look at the root causes of them and find ways to address issues before people take up arms to gain the freedom they seek.</p>
<p>South Africa avoided going down that path by negotiating with the ANC in the early 90s.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-53815</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traps and BLD

Can you both stop your stupid squabblings about irrelevancies. We don&#039;t give a damn about Britain at the moment. You both did the same about whether Russia was in Europe or not. It is bloody childish!

This is how the French Revolution started.

This is how the Russian Revolution started.

This is how the Chinese Revolution started.

In all cases intellectuals gave in and appeased a mob, mob rule took over and millions died!

THIS time we must learn from history and NOT appease the mob!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traps and BLD</p>
<p>Can you both stop your stupid squabblings about irrelevancies. We don&#8217;t give a damn about Britain at the moment. You both did the same about whether Russia was in Europe or not. It is bloody childish!</p>
<p>This is how the French Revolution started.</p>
<p>This is how the Russian Revolution started.</p>
<p>This is how the Chinese Revolution started.</p>
<p>In all cases intellectuals gave in and appeased a mob, mob rule took over and millions died!</p>
<p>THIS time we must learn from history and NOT appease the mob!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Catto</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/09/08/will-mondli-fire-zapiro/comment-page-3/#comment-53811</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Catto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@moderatemajority: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The fact of the matter is that our justice system is under intense attack and in danger of being subverted for the sake of one man who refuses to answer a very strong case against him.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

How is our justice system under attack?

And your statement that Zuma refuses to answer a &quot;very strong case&quot; against him is pure bollocks.

He is answering it, very definitely. You just don&#039;t like the fact that he isn&#039;t pleading guilty and proceeding directly to jail. But if it were you facing a charge in criminal court, you would no doubt be trying all you could to avoid being found guilty too, if you felt there was a loophole to exploit.

Zuma has a perfect right to employ every legal stratagem to secure his acquittal.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;But if Mbeki or others are guilty as well, how will we ever find out other than by the presentation of evidence, in court? We need Zuma to go to trial, and implicate all others, ‘taking them down with’ him, or fall on his own.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

What you need and what you&#039;re going to get are two different things.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I will not be back.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@moderatemajority: <i>&#8220;The fact of the matter is that our justice system is under intense attack and in danger of being subverted for the sake of one man who refuses to answer a very strong case against him.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>How is our justice system under attack?</p>
<p>And your statement that Zuma refuses to answer a &#8220;very strong case&#8221; against him is pure bollocks.</p>
<p>He is answering it, very definitely. You just don&#8217;t like the fact that he isn&#8217;t pleading guilty and proceeding directly to jail. But if it were you facing a charge in criminal court, you would no doubt be trying all you could to avoid being found guilty too, if you felt there was a loophole to exploit.</p>
<p>Zuma has a perfect right to employ every legal stratagem to secure his acquittal.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;But if Mbeki or others are guilty as well, how will we ever find out other than by the presentation of evidence, in court? We need Zuma to go to trial, and implicate all others, ‘taking them down with’ him, or fall on his own.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>What you need and what you&#8217;re going to get are two different things.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I will not be back.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Sure, you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Verbsap Sapienti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Verbsap Sapienti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read through the comments and have found them both interesting &amp; amusing.

In my opinion Zapiro&#039;s cartoon highlights something that is becoming worryingly apparent - that SA is descending from a &quot;democracy&quot;(?)into a &quot;kakistocracy&quot;: Rule by the worst (Greek word but the first 3 letters are readily understandable in Afrikaans).

I agree with the many comments that Zapiro has hit the nail on the head and should certainly not be &quot;punished&quot; for his work. 

Racist? what nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read through the comments and have found them both interesting &amp; amusing.</p>
<p>In my opinion Zapiro&#8217;s cartoon highlights something that is becoming worryingly apparent &#8211; that SA is descending from a &#8220;democracy&#8221;(?)into a &#8220;kakistocracy&#8221;: Rule by the worst (Greek word but the first 3 letters are readily understandable in Afrikaans).</p>
<p>I agree with the many comments that Zapiro has hit the nail on the head and should certainly not be &#8220;punished&#8221; for his work. </p>
<p>Racist? what nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Hlabirwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hlabirwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it zuma and the hooligans who surrond him you are concerned about or the rest of us. rape is disgusting and so is threatening our livelihood and mortaging our future. as die groot krokodil liked to say total onslaought need total strategy. the zunami declare war and i think theyshould be paid in kind.we will meet in the trenches!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it zuma and the hooligans who surrond him you are concerned about or the rest of us. rape is disgusting and so is threatening our livelihood and mortaging our future. as die groot krokodil liked to say total onslaought need total strategy. the zunami declare war and i think theyshould be paid in kind.we will meet in the trenches!!!!!!</p>
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