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		<title>By: Velabahleke</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/05/01/barack-obama-the-race-for-the-white-house/comment-page-1/#comment-32814</link>
		<dc:creator>Velabahleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wright&#039;s church does a lot of good work amongst the poor of the South Side of Chicago. And through their(, Barack and Wright) association and cooperation in projects they collaborated-in for the projects (see the 70&#039;s show Good Times), Wright helped Barack find God. Barack was not necessarily an atheist but had an intellectual mother who through her travels around the world questioned the nature of God as described in traditional religion. How could God let people of the world starve and suffer so, if he loved all people equally, I imagine from time to time she would ask herself. Wright put things together and into perspective for Barack, blaming America for all that is bad in the meantime. 

This is not to say Barack has never been critical of Wright. He has. He disinvited Wright when he was anouncing he was entering the race &quot;together with 15000 of his closest friends&quot;. But the bond they shared for the work they did for the poor was far greater. Remember also the Wright sound bites, like the story of Prof Bill Ayers only became an issue and pronounced when it became clear that the smear tactics of having Barack merely described as a &quot;black candidate&quot; failed. These soundbites came largely from a conservative media like Fox&#039;s Sean Hannity, Bill O&#039;Reilly and the likes of Rush Limbaugh on radio. Some of these soundbites are as old as seven years &quot;The chicken are coming home to roost&quot; and others even older but only now do they really find airtime. 

These conservative pundits are trying to clean their image after what seemed like an attempt to put a good candidate down and hence making appear as if they some Barack. Barack is very weary and aware of the &quot;Bradley effect&quot; particularly after New Hampshire.

Barack didn&#039;t play to popular politics and disowned his pastor when everybody wanted him to, during his Philadelphia race speech. Infact he equated him to his own white grandmother. The recent events are different. Wright had any right to defend and explain himself, but he came out and he didn&#039;t do that. He attacked Barack. You might remember his performance explaining why he couldn&#039;t have been Barack&#039;s spiritual mentor. This was just pure lights, camera action for him. Barack had only one option left to him. Disavow the hypocrite. Wright wants to continue blaming America, and  he knows how committed a community worker Barack is and with Barack in the helm, these arguments might loose a place in American politics.

 Indeed Barack is Black, but there is no way any candidate running on race basis can win the election. This is to say the reason Clinton is winning over middle class America is because of the history and the memory they have of Clinton administration. These voters are almost similar to black poor who even though it is clear the ANC doesn&#039;t think highly of them, they still vote the ANC because of the stability and the peace the ANC is giving them. Crime was already here. The other races in South Africa are only feeling it more because the police which protected them exclusively is spread thin and shared with the other races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright&#8217;s church does a lot of good work amongst the poor of the South Side of Chicago. And through their(, Barack and Wright) association and cooperation in projects they collaborated-in for the projects (see the 70&#8242;s show Good Times), Wright helped Barack find God. Barack was not necessarily an atheist but had an intellectual mother who through her travels around the world questioned the nature of God as described in traditional religion. How could God let people of the world starve and suffer so, if he loved all people equally, I imagine from time to time she would ask herself. Wright put things together and into perspective for Barack, blaming America for all that is bad in the meantime. </p>
<p>This is not to say Barack has never been critical of Wright. He has. He disinvited Wright when he was anouncing he was entering the race &#8220;together with 15000 of his closest friends&#8221;. But the bond they shared for the work they did for the poor was far greater. Remember also the Wright sound bites, like the story of Prof Bill Ayers only became an issue and pronounced when it became clear that the smear tactics of having Barack merely described as a &#8220;black candidate&#8221; failed. These soundbites came largely from a conservative media like Fox&#8217;s Sean Hannity, Bill O&#8217;Reilly and the likes of Rush Limbaugh on radio. Some of these soundbites are as old as seven years &#8220;The chicken are coming home to roost&#8221; and others even older but only now do they really find airtime. </p>
<p>These conservative pundits are trying to clean their image after what seemed like an attempt to put a good candidate down and hence making appear as if they some Barack. Barack is very weary and aware of the &#8220;Bradley effect&#8221; particularly after New Hampshire.</p>
<p>Barack didn&#8217;t play to popular politics and disowned his pastor when everybody wanted him to, during his Philadelphia race speech. Infact he equated him to his own white grandmother. The recent events are different. Wright had any right to defend and explain himself, but he came out and he didn&#8217;t do that. He attacked Barack. You might remember his performance explaining why he couldn&#8217;t have been Barack&#8217;s spiritual mentor. This was just pure lights, camera action for him. Barack had only one option left to him. Disavow the hypocrite. Wright wants to continue blaming America, and  he knows how committed a community worker Barack is and with Barack in the helm, these arguments might loose a place in American politics.</p>
<p> Indeed Barack is Black, but there is no way any candidate running on race basis can win the election. This is to say the reason Clinton is winning over middle class America is because of the history and the memory they have of Clinton administration. These voters are almost similar to black poor who even though it is clear the ANC doesn&#8217;t think highly of them, they still vote the ANC because of the stability and the peace the ANC is giving them. Crime was already here. The other races in South Africa are only feeling it more because the police which protected them exclusively is spread thin and shared with the other races.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/traps/2008/05/01/barack-obama-the-race-for-the-white-house/comment-page-1/#comment-32668</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that even white racialists are supporting Obama for president: http://www.vdare.com/bradley/080505_obama.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that even white racialists are supporting Obama for president: <a href="http://www.vdare.com/bradley/080505_obama.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vdare.com/bradley/080505_obama.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Velabahleke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velabahleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool Down, let&#039;s understand one thing. Hillary Rodham Clinton (senator from New York) and Barack Obama (senator from Illinois) are in a contest for who is to be the nominee for their party, the Domecratic Party, in the presidential election which is to held in November. The other major party has already decided, using the same primary process, on their presidential candidate, John McCain (senior republican senator from Arizona). There likely will be other candidates for presidency from other smaller parties or independents that did not necessarily go through the primary processes, but had to pass some tests, like to prove they can sustain a campain, etc..etc... One of the Baldwin brothers (I forget which) has just hinted that he might run for presidency. It still remains to be seen whether he is intends running this year. 

Yes, Barack Obama has more pledged delegates, and it seems unlikely that HRC will ever overtake him but there is still the issue of Florida and Michigan which HRC won, but there is a reason why these two states don&#039;t (or not counting now) count and I&#039;m sure you have been keeping abreast of these issues and are well aware of the goings on.

If Barack becomes the nominee (as most of us believe he will), he will be the first black presidential candidate. The other black candidates such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others have never been party nominees and in the true sense have never been presidential candidates.

Now whether America is ready to elect their first African-American or even Women for that matter president is another question. 

The concerns with Barack Obama is that he is inexperienced, which indeed is true, he is the first term senator after one other term in the Illinois state senate. He&#039;s not been doing well with the largest group of American voters, the working class american (some color collar, I forget which?). But these voters are generally the base of the Democratic party and it is hard to imagine them voting the conservatives (republicans) whose policies are usually not so favourable to them, come November. If he becomes the nominee his choice of VP becomes very crucial, in winning this constituency. Some names have been suggested, Governor Rendell of Philadelphia (a HRC supporter) and HRC herself.

However, I do not think race will be the issue here though. I remind you that the independent candidate tends to compete for the same votes as the Democratic Party. 

To me it would seem the Americans are now ready to cross the color or gender divide and hire the best &quot;man&quot; for the job, and I respect them for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool Down, let&#8217;s understand one thing. Hillary Rodham Clinton (senator from New York) and Barack Obama (senator from Illinois) are in a contest for who is to be the nominee for their party, the Domecratic Party, in the presidential election which is to held in November. The other major party has already decided, using the same primary process, on their presidential candidate, John McCain (senior republican senator from Arizona). There likely will be other candidates for presidency from other smaller parties or independents that did not necessarily go through the primary processes, but had to pass some tests, like to prove they can sustain a campain, etc..etc&#8230; One of the Baldwin brothers (I forget which) has just hinted that he might run for presidency. It still remains to be seen whether he is intends running this year. </p>
<p>Yes, Barack Obama has more pledged delegates, and it seems unlikely that HRC will ever overtake him but there is still the issue of Florida and Michigan which HRC won, but there is a reason why these two states don&#8217;t (or not counting now) count and I&#8217;m sure you have been keeping abreast of these issues and are well aware of the goings on.</p>
<p>If Barack becomes the nominee (as most of us believe he will), he will be the first black presidential candidate. The other black candidates such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others have never been party nominees and in the true sense have never been presidential candidates.</p>
<p>Now whether America is ready to elect their first African-American or even Women for that matter president is another question. </p>
<p>The concerns with Barack Obama is that he is inexperienced, which indeed is true, he is the first term senator after one other term in the Illinois state senate. He&#8217;s not been doing well with the largest group of American voters, the working class american (some color collar, I forget which?). But these voters are generally the base of the Democratic party and it is hard to imagine them voting the conservatives (republicans) whose policies are usually not so favourable to them, come November. If he becomes the nominee his choice of VP becomes very crucial, in winning this constituency. Some names have been suggested, Governor Rendell of Philadelphia (a HRC supporter) and HRC herself.</p>
<p>However, I do not think race will be the issue here though. I remind you that the independent candidate tends to compete for the same votes as the Democratic Party. </p>
<p>To me it would seem the Americans are now ready to cross the color or gender divide and hire the best &#8220;man&#8221; for the job, and I respect them for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 09:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof Joe writes: &quot;This guilt by association is like a cancer in the American psyche,and then throw in racism on top of that and you have a volatile mixture of bigotry and ignorance which seem to typify the actions of the electorate.&quot;

The problem is that Obama has sought out the pastor precisely because he was known as the most radical preacher on Chicago&#039;s south side and then he willingly continued to associate himself with Wright&#039;s church for twenty years. Obama&#039;s guilt is far more than association - it&#039;s more like endorsement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Joe writes: &#8220;This guilt by association is like a cancer in the American psyche,and then throw in racism on top of that and you have a volatile mixture of bigotry and ignorance which seem to typify the actions of the electorate.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem is that Obama has sought out the pastor precisely because he was known as the most radical preacher on Chicago&#8217;s south side and then he willingly continued to associate himself with Wright&#8217;s church for twenty years. Obama&#8217;s guilt is far more than association &#8211; it&#8217;s more like endorsement.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wright has all the right to feel anger at being used by Obama for twenty years as a mere stepping stone for his political ambitions, especially as Wright is a very political animal himself. It must feel like a terrible betrayal that Obama has been sitting in the pews all that time, pretending to be in agreement with his racist views, apparently only to mislead the black community into believing that he really was as black as them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright has all the right to feel anger at being used by Obama for twenty years as a mere stepping stone for his political ambitions, especially as Wright is a very political animal himself. It must feel like a terrible betrayal that Obama has been sitting in the pews all that time, pretending to be in agreement with his racist views, apparently only to mislead the black community into believing that he really was as black as them.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Down</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now with Hillary Clinton almost out of the
race the Americans have a change to elect
their first Black President. The question is
do they have the courage of their conviction
or is Obama doomed to join the many of also has
run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now with Hillary Clinton almost out of the<br />
race the Americans have a change to elect<br />
their first Black President. The question is<br />
do they have the courage of their conviction<br />
or is Obama doomed to join the many of also has<br />
run?</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wright has done it again - and Obama has dumped him.

I think Wright WANTS Obama to loose - helps confirm his prejudices? Jealousy ? Trying to build up a cult for himself? Anther narcissist perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright has done it again &#8211; and Obama has dumped him.</p>
<p>I think Wright WANTS Obama to loose &#8211; helps confirm his prejudices? Jealousy ? Trying to build up a cult for himself? Anther narcissist perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Prof. Joe Manyoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof. Joe Manyoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Traps you&#039;ve proven again that you really epitomize the quality of writing/reasoning we expect from contributors to &quot;Thought Leader&quot; forum. You have  pinpointed the the conundrum posed by the Rev. Wright for Senator Obama and for all of us (outside the Clinton camp); why did he do it? I hesitate to call him stupid; what he demonstrates is the difference between being clever and being smart. What he has done is not SMART regardless of his motives. One may rightly suspect anger and revenge for perceived slights by Obama repudiating his original remarks. However, again, why should the American electorate demand that Mr. Obama carry  Wright&#039;s cross on his shoulders. This guilt by association is like a cancer in the American psyche,and then throw in racism on top of that and you have a volatile mixture of bigotry and ignorance which seem to typify the actions of the electorate. They are not voting on the issues or principles but on gut feelings of likes and dislikes; innuendo; rumour and manipulation. 
But what has epitomized the tragedy of this election process is the utter irresponsibility of the American media and their blatantly biased journalists and pundits. Just last night a granny supporter of Clinton&#039;s on CNN disdainfully called Mr Obama: &quot;Obama bin Laden&quot; and the interviewer did not reprimand her but just laughed it off a-la-Hillary. The American public is sadly betrayed by a media that refuse to educate the masses. They have become cheer leaders for whoever is their current favourite and will focus on any trivia guaranteed to boost ratings.
It&#039;s gratifying to see that the comments thus far have focused on the main points raised by your article and they are right on. Of course the usual naysayers may still be typing away their sometimes irrelevant diatribes.

Good show Traps.

Joe Manyoni, Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Traps you&#8217;ve proven again that you really epitomize the quality of writing/reasoning we expect from contributors to &#8220;Thought Leader&#8221; forum. You have  pinpointed the the conundrum posed by the Rev. Wright for Senator Obama and for all of us (outside the Clinton camp); why did he do it? I hesitate to call him stupid; what he demonstrates is the difference between being clever and being smart. What he has done is not SMART regardless of his motives. One may rightly suspect anger and revenge for perceived slights by Obama repudiating his original remarks. However, again, why should the American electorate demand that Mr. Obama carry  Wright&#8217;s cross on his shoulders. This guilt by association is like a cancer in the American psyche,and then throw in racism on top of that and you have a volatile mixture of bigotry and ignorance which seem to typify the actions of the electorate. They are not voting on the issues or principles but on gut feelings of likes and dislikes; innuendo; rumour and manipulation.<br />
But what has epitomized the tragedy of this election process is the utter irresponsibility of the American media and their blatantly biased journalists and pundits. Just last night a granny supporter of Clinton&#8217;s on CNN disdainfully called Mr Obama: &#8220;Obama bin Laden&#8221; and the interviewer did not reprimand her but just laughed it off a-la-Hillary. The American public is sadly betrayed by a media that refuse to educate the masses. They have become cheer leaders for whoever is their current favourite and will focus on any trivia guaranteed to boost ratings.<br />
It&#8217;s gratifying to see that the comments thus far have focused on the main points raised by your article and they are right on. Of course the usual naysayers may still be typing away their sometimes irrelevant diatribes.</p>
<p>Good show Traps.</p>
<p>Joe Manyoni, Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When all the dust has settled and there&#039;s another white man or woman in the Oval Office, do you ever think that Reverend Wright might sit back in his La-Z-Boy recliner and reflect on the fact that his vitriolic racist utterings torpedoed Obama&#039;s candidacy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When all the dust has settled and there&#8217;s another white man or woman in the Oval Office, do you ever think that Reverend Wright might sit back in his La-Z-Boy recliner and reflect on the fact that his vitriolic racist utterings torpedoed Obama&#8217;s candidacy?</p>
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		<title>By: Velabahleke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velabahleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Traps, I agree. You should notice in my earlier comment I excluded Florida and Michigan. Of course you know that with these states included the clinton campaign is claiming to be ahead in the popular vote. I wonder, and you probably have written on this, how commentators (outside of the US) feel these should be treated, with all the factors included. Can to comment or point me to suggestions around this issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Traps, I agree. You should notice in my earlier comment I excluded Florida and Michigan. Of course you know that with these states included the clinton campaign is claiming to be ahead in the popular vote. I wonder, and you probably have written on this, how commentators (outside of the US) feel these should be treated, with all the factors included. Can to comment or point me to suggestions around this issues?</p>
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