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		<title>By: Consulting Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consulting Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Odette

Don&#039;t forget all the white liberals who consider themselves spokespersons for all non-whites every time THEY feel non-whites may in some way be offended. 

With all their jumping up and down in indignation, I wonder how a Black or Coloured can ever get a word in. The self flagellation of these liberal whites and guilt about their own whiteness leads to bizarre behaviour, which they take out on other whites. I wonder if they remove all the mirrors from their house?

If MANY Coloureds disapprove of the behaviour of White people, many Whites disapprove of SOME of the behaviour of SOME Coloured people, which to me would mean gangs, drinking to excess etc. But in general, I find that Coloureds and Whites get along, from the army to sport to children&#039;s activities, these 2 groups in general have the least cultural differences. Social class however also plays a role. 

Although this may be a gross generalisation, I do find a very significant difference between Cape Coloureds and those in the eastern Cape and Transvaal, no offence intended, its just my view based on my experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Odette</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget all the white liberals who consider themselves spokespersons for all non-whites every time THEY feel non-whites may in some way be offended. </p>
<p>With all their jumping up and down in indignation, I wonder how a Black or Coloured can ever get a word in. The self flagellation of these liberal whites and guilt about their own whiteness leads to bizarre behaviour, which they take out on other whites. I wonder if they remove all the mirrors from their house?</p>
<p>If MANY Coloureds disapprove of the behaviour of White people, many Whites disapprove of SOME of the behaviour of SOME Coloured people, which to me would mean gangs, drinking to excess etc. But in general, I find that Coloureds and Whites get along, from the army to sport to children&#8217;s activities, these 2 groups in general have the least cultural differences. Social class however also plays a role. </p>
<p>Although this may be a gross generalisation, I do find a very significant difference between Cape Coloureds and those in the eastern Cape and Transvaal, no offence intended, its just my view based on my experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Odette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ White

So you&#039;re using the &quot;some of my best friends are Coloured&quot; defence. Interesting.

I&#039;m still recovering from my laughter at your assumption that I live a life of privilege and luxury. I wish I did! My goodness, you should see my bank balance and how I live and you would know that luxury is just a word in my vocabulary and not a way of life.

I grew up in Steenberg (not exactly in the lap of luxury) in a small council house with no running hot water. We counted ourselves lucky that we had an inside toilet. I also have family and friends in Mitchell&#039;s Plain and in other areas on the Cape Flats - would you like a list? I think I have a fair idea of the situation that many Coloureds find themselves in.

You assumed that I implied Coloureds disliked White people. I never said that anywhere. I don&#039;t dislike White people. I have White friends and colleagues too and I like them very much (just using your example). Most Coloured people I know don&#039;t dislike White people either though many of them disapprove of some of the behaviour of White people. I doubt your many Coloured friends and colleagues would tell you much about that because Coloured people tend to keep their thoughts on White people amongst their own, at least in my experience they do.

But for now I can rest easy in the knowledge that Coloured people have such a dedicated spokesperson in you. Add Cool Down as our second representative and we really have nothing to worry about any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ White</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re using the &#8220;some of my best friends are Coloured&#8221; defence. Interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still recovering from my laughter at your assumption that I live a life of privilege and luxury. I wish I did! My goodness, you should see my bank balance and how I live and you would know that luxury is just a word in my vocabulary and not a way of life.</p>
<p>I grew up in Steenberg (not exactly in the lap of luxury) in a small council house with no running hot water. We counted ourselves lucky that we had an inside toilet. I also have family and friends in Mitchell&#8217;s Plain and in other areas on the Cape Flats &#8211; would you like a list? I think I have a fair idea of the situation that many Coloureds find themselves in.</p>
<p>You assumed that I implied Coloureds disliked White people. I never said that anywhere. I don&#8217;t dislike White people. I have White friends and colleagues too and I like them very much (just using your example). Most Coloured people I know don&#8217;t dislike White people either though many of them disapprove of some of the behaviour of White people. I doubt your many Coloured friends and colleagues would tell you much about that because Coloured people tend to keep their thoughts on White people amongst their own, at least in my experience they do.</p>
<p>But for now I can rest easy in the knowledge that Coloured people have such a dedicated spokesperson in you. Add Cool Down as our second representative and we really have nothing to worry about any more.</p>
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		<title>By: white</title>
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		<dc:creator>white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Odette 

Go to Mitchells plain one day and walk around there and speak to the colourds, then go to Delft and do the same, then go over to Mannenburg, and after you have been there tell me the colourds are happy, and satisfied, I HAVE done this, I have many colourd friends and still have to meet one who thinks the new SA is great, or who likes the ANC.


If the colourd are so happy and dislike whites so much (as you implied) that they make up the majourity of Helen Zille&#039;s supporters? Its time for you to move out of your world of luxury and mingle with your people, and I garentee you that you will soon find out that your views are way off the mark, I know because I work, and socialise with them every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Odette </p>
<p>Go to Mitchells plain one day and walk around there and speak to the colourds, then go to Delft and do the same, then go over to Mannenburg, and after you have been there tell me the colourds are happy, and satisfied, I HAVE done this, I have many colourd friends and still have to meet one who thinks the new SA is great, or who likes the ANC.</p>
<p>If the colourd are so happy and dislike whites so much (as you implied) that they make up the majourity of Helen Zille&#8217;s supporters? Its time for you to move out of your world of luxury and mingle with your people, and I garentee you that you will soon find out that your views are way off the mark, I know because I work, and socialise with them every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Wessel van Rensburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wessel van Rensburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Afrikaners should be ashamed about allot of things, amonsgt these things are the way they treated coloureds. Many coloureds would not want to associate with white Afrikaners, and I can&#039;t blame them.

However a strange phenomena is happening in places like London. English white South Africa are moving into the surrounds of Wibledon. And miles away in the East of the City in working class areas like Leytonestone, who do you find? Coloureds and Afrikaners. They don&#039;t mix much mind you, have not seen much evidence of that, but it seems they like to live together.  And they watch rugby together.

Cool down, yes I think one should allow volkspele in a Volkstaat (its hard I know, but one has to be accommodating to all types), under the condition that there&#039;s none of the controlling, and the bpm must be in excess of 100. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afrikaners should be ashamed about allot of things, amonsgt these things are the way they treated coloureds. Many coloureds would not want to associate with white Afrikaners, and I can&#8217;t blame them.</p>
<p>However a strange phenomena is happening in places like London. English white South Africa are moving into the surrounds of Wibledon. And miles away in the East of the City in working class areas like Leytonestone, who do you find? Coloureds and Afrikaners. They don&#8217;t mix much mind you, have not seen much evidence of that, but it seems they like to live together.  And they watch rugby together.</p>
<p>Cool down, yes I think one should allow volkspele in a Volkstaat (its hard I know, but one has to be accommodating to all types), under the condition that there&#8217;s none of the controlling, and the bpm must be in excess of 100. <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cool down.</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool down.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consulting Engineer

Eish you&#039;re trying so hard to put things
in perspective but to me the majority has
already made up their minds so I am still trying
to figure out why there should be a Volkstaat
because the term &#039;Volk&#039; has not been defined
so it could be the &#039;volk&#039; that worked on racists
owned farms,it could be the common people.

I am getting confused here man, in my younger
days I did volkspele (folk-games) cant imagine
my Indian neighbour doing that.

I shouldn&#039;t stray here man but &#039;volkspele&#039; was
a strictly controlled affair, all neat and tidy
at arms length.

Now Wessel van Rensburg wants a Volkstaat  for
all Afrikaans speaking people.Do you think they
will be able to do volkspele??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consulting Engineer</p>
<p>Eish you&#8217;re trying so hard to put things<br />
in perspective but to me the majority has<br />
already made up their minds so I am still trying<br />
to figure out why there should be a Volkstaat<br />
because the term &#8216;Volk&#8217; has not been defined<br />
so it could be the &#8216;volk&#8217; that worked on racists<br />
owned farms,it could be the common people.</p>
<p>I am getting confused here man, in my younger<br />
days I did volkspele (folk-games) cant imagine<br />
my Indian neighbour doing that.</p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t stray here man but &#8216;volkspele&#8217; was<br />
a strictly controlled affair, all neat and tidy<br />
at arms length.</p>
<p>Now Wessel van Rensburg wants a Volkstaat  for<br />
all Afrikaans speaking people.Do you think they<br />
will be able to do volkspele??</p>
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		<title>By: Consulting Engineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consulting Engineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@White

I just want to add the state of operational readiness of the Ratels and Buffels is a far cry from back then.

61 Mech is also disbanded.

The state of morale is abysmal with near open mutiny, which makes officers afraid to take action against disciplinary offences.

The Aids infection rate is appalling, and to be condemned to 1 Military Hospital? Good God.

But at least the peacekeepers have been keeping the rape rate high. Imagine peacekeepers being charged with rape.

One former Battalion Group of the old SADF would go through the present SANDF like a hot knife through butter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@White</p>
<p>I just want to add the state of operational readiness of the Ratels and Buffels is a far cry from back then.</p>
<p>61 Mech is also disbanded.</p>
<p>The state of morale is abysmal with near open mutiny, which makes officers afraid to take action against disciplinary offences.</p>
<p>The Aids infection rate is appalling, and to be condemned to 1 Military Hospital? Good God.</p>
<p>But at least the peacekeepers have been keeping the rape rate high. Imagine peacekeepers being charged with rape.</p>
<p>One former Battalion Group of the old SADF would go through the present SANDF like a hot knife through butter.</p>
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		<title>By: Odette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ White

I am Coloured and I don&#039;t think I was better off during Apartheid. You certainly do not speak for me or any Coloured person I know. Stop lumping us all together and assuming you know how we all think. I am so sick and tired of people who make blithe assumptions about Coloureds when they know sweet fanny f**k-all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ White</p>
<p>I am Coloured and I don&#8217;t think I was better off during Apartheid. You certainly do not speak for me or any Coloured person I know. Stop lumping us all together and assuming you know how we all think. I am so sick and tired of people who make blithe assumptions about Coloureds when they know sweet fanny f**k-all.</p>
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		<title>By: white</title>
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		<dc:creator>white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brilliant articule. 

@Wanna Bet

Whites will not be standing alone, remember that colourds are only considered as &quot;comrades&quot; during election time, and most of them consider their situation today to be worse than it was during apartheid, colourds DO NOT COUNT as AA, they DO NOT QUALIFY you for BEE standings, as they are NOT considered as being Previously Dis-advantaged.

As for the army, they are a joke, remember that the old SADF was one of the most respected and feared fighting forces in the world, today they cannot even manage peace roles in Lesotho without lossing men, a place which 20 years ago would not have even lasted 2 days, and many of the whites where members of this fighting force, are where trained by it.
The GREAT ANC, has disbanned most of the top fighting regiments in the SADF and left their members out in the cold, whos side do you think they will take, the members of units like 31 Battalion (the bushman tracker unit), left to rot by the ANC, 
32 Battalion (buffalo Unit) the MOST feared fighting force in the world, these men where the most fierce bunch of men you would ever want to meet, and often the enemy would run just from hearing that they were in the area or on the way, (the same enemy that today makes up most of your socalled great SANDF) where are they now? left to rot, disbanned, unable to get work (as most of them only knew one trade, WAR), their promised land has become nothing more than hell on earth. Must I remind you that these are BLACK men, do you think for one moment they will support the people that took away their dignity, their homes and their livlyhood?

So you see my dear fool, you and the ANC had better hope that things never do get to the stage where war becomes a reality, for the whites will NOT be standing alone, there are many who have even MORE reason to hate the ANC than even whites do.

I hope that that day never comes to our great land, it will be a sad day indeed, to see our nation ripped apart like that. As for will win who knows but who ever does what will they have left to rule over?

I have been a soldier and I have seen war&#039;s true face, its not something to hope for or to want, its a sad thing and something I wish to never see again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brilliant articule. </p>
<p>@Wanna Bet</p>
<p>Whites will not be standing alone, remember that colourds are only considered as &#8220;comrades&#8221; during election time, and most of them consider their situation today to be worse than it was during apartheid, colourds DO NOT COUNT as AA, they DO NOT QUALIFY you for BEE standings, as they are NOT considered as being Previously Dis-advantaged.</p>
<p>As for the army, they are a joke, remember that the old SADF was one of the most respected and feared fighting forces in the world, today they cannot even manage peace roles in Lesotho without lossing men, a place which 20 years ago would not have even lasted 2 days, and many of the whites where members of this fighting force, are where trained by it.<br />
The GREAT ANC, has disbanned most of the top fighting regiments in the SADF and left their members out in the cold, whos side do you think they will take, the members of units like 31 Battalion (the bushman tracker unit), left to rot by the ANC,<br />
32 Battalion (buffalo Unit) the MOST feared fighting force in the world, these men where the most fierce bunch of men you would ever want to meet, and often the enemy would run just from hearing that they were in the area or on the way, (the same enemy that today makes up most of your socalled great SANDF) where are they now? left to rot, disbanned, unable to get work (as most of them only knew one trade, WAR), their promised land has become nothing more than hell on earth. Must I remind you that these are BLACK men, do you think for one moment they will support the people that took away their dignity, their homes and their livlyhood?</p>
<p>So you see my dear fool, you and the ANC had better hope that things never do get to the stage where war becomes a reality, for the whites will NOT be standing alone, there are many who have even MORE reason to hate the ANC than even whites do.</p>
<p>I hope that that day never comes to our great land, it will be a sad day indeed, to see our nation ripped apart like that. As for will win who knows but who ever does what will they have left to rule over?</p>
<p>I have been a soldier and I have seen war&#8217;s true face, its not something to hope for or to want, its a sad thing and something I wish to never see again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst Marais</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernst Marais</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wessel,

The problem is that the Afrikaner has been his own worst enemy.
Boere betrayed Boere during the ABO. Piet de Wet became a Hanskakie while his brother, Chrisjan de Wet fought to the bitter end.
Although the British used the turncoats, they made their peace with the Bittereinders.
No one trust a traitor.
It is significant that Zuma displays a positive attitude towards Afrikaners that remains true to themselves, not turning like Mbeki to the modern day Hanskakies.

As this post is in response to an article that dealt with Zuma&#039;s visit to the Jewish community, I include the following snippet:
Most Jews fought on the British side (about 3500) during the ABO while about 350 fought on the Boer side.
Great patriots, those Boerejode!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wessel,</p>
<p>The problem is that the Afrikaner has been his own worst enemy.<br />
Boere betrayed Boere during the ABO. Piet de Wet became a Hanskakie while his brother, Chrisjan de Wet fought to the bitter end.<br />
Although the British used the turncoats, they made their peace with the Bittereinders.<br />
No one trust a traitor.<br />
It is significant that Zuma displays a positive attitude towards Afrikaners that remains true to themselves, not turning like Mbeki to the modern day Hanskakies.</p>
<p>As this post is in response to an article that dealt with Zuma&#8217;s visit to the Jewish community, I include the following snippet:<br />
Most Jews fought on the British side (about 3500) during the ABO while about 350 fought on the Boer side.<br />
Great patriots, those Boerejode!</p>
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		<title>By: Wessel van Rensburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wessel van Rensburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leon, I suggest you read both my posts again carefully.

And remember - &#039;Mens blaas nie jou eie beul nie.&#039;

PS: theres nothing like a late breakfast, I can can recommend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon, I suggest you read both my posts again carefully.</p>
<p>And remember &#8211; &#8216;Mens blaas nie jou eie beul nie.&#8217;</p>
<p>PS: theres nothing like a late breakfast, I can can recommend it.</p>
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