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		<title>By: Rod MacKenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod MacKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tony I LOVED the title to your blog, now let me just go back and read it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tony I LOVED the title to your blog, now let me just go back and read it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Ray Mac Oily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Ray Mac Oily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wonder, if there was no Zuma, would any of you had anything to say? Sounds more like compulsive obsessive behaviour!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wonder, if there was no Zuma, would any of you had anything to say? Sounds more like compulsive obsessive behaviour!</p>
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		<title>By: toni benoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni benoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toni, great piece. Just a quick note. We rich whites do do something. They work for the National Democratic Revolution for five months of the year. They are taxed and happily pay income plus VAT taxes so are taxed 40+%. They do not burden the state - they pay for private helathcare, security and schooling. Our leadership who have the mandate to lead have chosen to buy guns, private jets, hand out tenders to cronies etc. as opposed to provide clean water for our people, build houses that dont fall over etc. If whites complain they are slandered as racist counter revolutionaries who must go home to europe. Yet white rick elties still do their bit. If they choose to apply for a job within the state they are too pale to help solve the problems at hand. So to suggest the white relatively rich dont care is unsupported by facts - they are providing the means through which the political black elite can uplift our people, but choose not to. No amount of hand wringing will change this fact. Until the masses hold their leadership accountable we are going nowhere. What do you propose people do? Work 100% for the African National Cronies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toni, great piece. Just a quick note. We rich whites do do something. They work for the National Democratic Revolution for five months of the year. They are taxed and happily pay income plus VAT taxes so are taxed 40+%. They do not burden the state &#8211; they pay for private helathcare, security and schooling. Our leadership who have the mandate to lead have chosen to buy guns, private jets, hand out tenders to cronies etc. as opposed to provide clean water for our people, build houses that dont fall over etc. If whites complain they are slandered as racist counter revolutionaries who must go home to europe. Yet white rick elties still do their bit. If they choose to apply for a job within the state they are too pale to help solve the problems at hand. So to suggest the white relatively rich dont care is unsupported by facts &#8211; they are providing the means through which the political black elite can uplift our people, but choose not to. No amount of hand wringing will change this fact. Until the masses hold their leadership accountable we are going nowhere. What do you propose people do? Work 100% for the African National Cronies?</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mrs paleface speaks wisely, good to see. But I&#039;m glad the author feels better now he has sufficiently proved, to his own mind, his working class credentials .
Be carefull, our working class hero, that you don&#039;t find yourself sidelined by all classes as you waffle your bourgeoise nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs paleface speaks wisely, good to see. But I&#8217;m glad the author feels better now he has sufficiently proved, to his own mind, his working class credentials .<br />
Be carefull, our working class hero, that you don&#8217;t find yourself sidelined by all classes as you waffle your bourgeoise nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: S.P.van Niekerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.P.van Niekerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person priveledged enough to provide employment I wish to pose the following questions:
a)How did an eastern country like Japan succeed in overcoming their destruction after WW2?
b)Which class of people posses the ability to effect a turn around policy in Zim if they were permitted to?
c)What would happen if the poor could undergo a mind shift away from an attitude characterised by hatred ,envy , mass industrial action , entitlement etc.Would that not make them more employable and ultimatelly more prosperous ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person priveledged enough to provide employment I wish to pose the following questions:<br />
a)How did an eastern country like Japan succeed in overcoming their destruction after WW2?<br />
b)Which class of people posses the ability to effect a turn around policy in Zim if they were permitted to?<br />
c)What would happen if the poor could undergo a mind shift away from an attitude characterised by hatred ,envy , mass industrial action , entitlement etc.Would that not make them more employable and ultimatelly more prosperous ?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ex-Zimbabwe

You really cannot get away with that first sentence, you know.

If Tony is not talking about the rich giving away (some proportion) of their riches then it is not possible to see what he is asking of the rich - since it is only their riches that distinguishes the rich from the rest of us and that they, uniquely, have to offer.

There was an exchange between two American writers (one was Scott Fitzgerald - cannot remember the other one).

Scott observed, &#039;The rich are different from us.&#039;
&#039;Yes,&#039; his friend agreed. &#039;They have more money.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ex-Zimbabwe</p>
<p>You really cannot get away with that first sentence, you know.</p>
<p>If Tony is not talking about the rich giving away (some proportion) of their riches then it is not possible to see what he is asking of the rich &#8211; since it is only their riches that distinguishes the rich from the rest of us and that they, uniquely, have to offer.</p>
<p>There was an exchange between two American writers (one was Scott Fitzgerald &#8211; cannot remember the other one).</p>
<p>Scott observed, &#8216;The rich are different from us.&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Yes,&#8217; his friend agreed. &#8216;They have more money.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Old, female, paleface
&quot;I do not fit in anywhere&quot; 
Then you must be doing many things right. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Old, female, paleface<br />
&#8220;I do not fit in anywhere&#8221;<br />
Then you must be doing many things right. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Old, female, paleface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old, female, paleface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREMLINS
My rant about Freedom of Speech - was meant for  &quot;MUZZLING NANDO&#039;s.&quot;

I did not comment, as it expresses how I felt decades  before Apartheid and have, ever since. 
 Today - we can choose the high or low road.
Regimes in SA changed since 1930&#039;s - trust me - nothing is new. 
The poor are like the poor of those days.
As you say, some of us chose to &quot;educate ourselves.&quot;
We went to libraries for information.
Home study colleges and UNISA - had millions of students burning midnight oil.
We had to find work to survive, education was the tool.
There was no charity for all.

There was no distribution of wealth; so in 2009 we have a prosperous economy  - emanating from the capital of the rich, and the labours of  ALL poor people of ALL colours over the centuries since 1659.  

Try wealth distribution and the hated rich, with their vital capital - fly away and jobs too.
Taxes diminish and so too the whole country. 
Look North for proof.
We need the rich - they do not need us.

I speak from experience not myths of good old days.
There have never been good old days for the poor of any country at any time.  
The poor have to labour to earn money or starve.

Money and man have to work together to provide for each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREMLINS<br />
My rant about Freedom of Speech &#8211; was meant for  &#8220;MUZZLING NANDO&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p>I did not comment, as it expresses how I felt decades  before Apartheid and have, ever since.<br />
 Today &#8211; we can choose the high or low road.<br />
Regimes in SA changed since 1930&#8242;s &#8211; trust me &#8211; nothing is new.<br />
The poor are like the poor of those days.<br />
As you say, some of us chose to &#8220;educate ourselves.&#8221;<br />
We went to libraries for information.<br />
Home study colleges and UNISA &#8211; had millions of students burning midnight oil.<br />
We had to find work to survive, education was the tool.<br />
There was no charity for all.</p>
<p>There was no distribution of wealth; so in 2009 we have a prosperous economy  &#8211; emanating from the capital of the rich, and the labours of  ALL poor people of ALL colours over the centuries since 1659.  </p>
<p>Try wealth distribution and the hated rich, with their vital capital &#8211; fly away and jobs too.<br />
Taxes diminish and so too the whole country.<br />
Look North for proof.<br />
We need the rich &#8211; they do not need us.</p>
<p>I speak from experience not myths of good old days.<br />
There have never been good old days for the poor of any country at any time.<br />
The poor have to labour to earn money or starve.</p>
<p>Money and man have to work together to provide for each other.</p>
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		<title>By: ex-Zimbabwe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ex-Zimbabwe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, people. Tony didn&#039;t talk about the rich giving more *money*. That&#039;s your own projection :)

He spoke about thinking and reflecting; about creative and professional ability and about coming out from behind the high walls (real and metaphoric) to see what&#039;s going on and to start showing we care about our country - because unless we do - all of us whatever our financial status - the space is left wide open for the charlatans and crooks and political snake-oil Mugabes who exploit the hopes and fears of ordinary people and then leave them to rot, anyway. 

Tony&#039;s piece is a bit odd perhaps, not what I&#039;m used to reading, but I don&#039;t come to Thought Leader for what I&#039;m used to reading. Thank you Tony, your words have touched me. I&#039;m also wondering where these thoughts might lead you (us) in future and will be watching this space! 

Meanwhile, in the Western Cape, a lot of us are holding our breath for a change of government and the Cape Times says that they&#039;re packing up in Wale Street where the mood is &quot;tense&quot;. Good. I hope our crappy, patronising, doctor-victimising, big-talking, small-changing death-by-neglect Health Department is packing up their personal coffee mugs in Dorp Street as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, people. Tony didn&#8217;t talk about the rich giving more *money*. That&#8217;s your own projection <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>He spoke about thinking and reflecting; about creative and professional ability and about coming out from behind the high walls (real and metaphoric) to see what&#8217;s going on and to start showing we care about our country &#8211; because unless we do &#8211; all of us whatever our financial status &#8211; the space is left wide open for the charlatans and crooks and political snake-oil Mugabes who exploit the hopes and fears of ordinary people and then leave them to rot, anyway. </p>
<p>Tony&#8217;s piece is a bit odd perhaps, not what I&#8217;m used to reading, but I don&#8217;t come to Thought Leader for what I&#8217;m used to reading. Thank you Tony, your words have touched me. I&#8217;m also wondering where these thoughts might lead you (us) in future and will be watching this space! </p>
<p>Meanwhile, in the Western Cape, a lot of us are holding our breath for a change of government and the Cape Times says that they&#8217;re packing up in Wale Street where the mood is &#8220;tense&#8221;. Good. I hope our crappy, patronising, doctor-victimising, big-talking, small-changing death-by-neglect Health Department is packing up their personal coffee mugs in Dorp Street as well.</p>
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		<title>By: mundundu</title>
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		<dc:creator>mundundu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tony --

the countries with the worst income disparities have the worst crime problems. the only countries with the same levels of crime levels of crime as south africa are colombia and brazil, and their policemen shoot first and ask questions later. 

[this really needs to come back in south africa. it won&#039;t, given that there are too many ruling party voters among those folks]

to be honest, brazil is much worse than south africa. that said, the poor are coming up faster because of entrepreneurship [including the criminal variety] and because the economy is not so dependent on dirigistic policies from brasilia. 

&quot;the government must give us a house, a job, and a pension?&quot; um, no. 

there are a lot of lefty policies which sound good, but in the long term, dampen expectations for self-starting which can become horrible. all that said, the ONLY time that it&#039;s good to be in a dirigistic mood is when all of your trading partners are doing it, so that it won&#039;t disadvantage your economy -- which completely boggled my mind that trevor manuel is completely against doing something like that at this very exact moment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tony &#8211;</p>
<p>the countries with the worst income disparities have the worst crime problems. the only countries with the same levels of crime levels of crime as south africa are colombia and brazil, and their policemen shoot first and ask questions later. </p>
<p>[this really needs to come back in south africa. it won't, given that there are too many ruling party voters among those folks]</p>
<p>to be honest, brazil is much worse than south africa. that said, the poor are coming up faster because of entrepreneurship [including the criminal variety] and because the economy is not so dependent on dirigistic policies from brasilia. </p>
<p>&#8220;the government must give us a house, a job, and a pension?&#8221; um, no. </p>
<p>there are a lot of lefty policies which sound good, but in the long term, dampen expectations for self-starting which can become horrible. all that said, the ONLY time that it&#8217;s good to be in a dirigistic mood is when all of your trading partners are doing it, so that it won&#8217;t disadvantage your economy &#8212; which completely boggled my mind that trevor manuel is completely against doing something like that at this very exact moment.</p>
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