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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m a coconut and I&#8217;m proud of it &#8212; say it with me</title>
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		<title>By: sbonginkosi</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbonginkosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is the key of becoming someone successful is to first now who you are and make every second count then you reach your goals</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the key of becoming someone successful is to first now who you are and make every second count then you reach your goals</p>
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		<title>By: Saberah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saberah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the fact that our parents gave us non-Zulufied names like &quot;princess&quot; ; &quot;ambulance&quot; etc was the beginning of coconut-ism...:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the fact that our parents gave us non-Zulufied names like &#8220;princess&#8221; ; &#8220;ambulance&#8221; etc was the beginning of coconut-ism&#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: tebogo nsibande</title>
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		<dc:creator>tebogo nsibande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mr ngcobo
i officially love you. i&#039;m 17 and throughout my short life i&#039;ve been persecuted for the way i speak and how i express myself. i&#039;m seen as a stuck-up, rude and obnoxious teenager. i love my accent and i feel i don&#039;t need to apologise for it. it&#039;s not my fault i acquired the accent but at the same time i love it. i love me. i question culture because i feel it holds no place for me. women, no matter how many men try to dispute it and console us,have no significance in african culture. we are slaves and statues of obedience compared to men and it makes me feel so small. your article made my day and it just might of made my life. thank you sir.i&#039;m a proud coconut baby! love tebogo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mr ngcobo<br />
i officially love you. i&#8217;m 17 and throughout my short life i&#8217;ve been persecuted for the way i speak and how i express myself. i&#8217;m seen as a stuck-up, rude and obnoxious teenager. i love my accent and i feel i don&#8217;t need to apologise for it. it&#8217;s not my fault i acquired the accent but at the same time i love it. i love me. i question culture because i feel it holds no place for me. women, no matter how many men try to dispute it and console us,have no significance in african culture. we are slaves and statues of obedience compared to men and it makes me feel so small. your article made my day and it just might of made my life. thank you sir.i&#8217;m a proud coconut baby! love tebogo</p>
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		<title>By: Zakes Nzima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zakes Nzima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on! This has nothing to do with culture or values. It simply refers to black people who imitate white people, particularly black people who have &#039;lost&#039; their languages as a result of being schooled in the multi-racial schools of SA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on! This has nothing to do with culture or values. It simply refers to black people who imitate white people, particularly black people who have &#8216;lost&#8217; their languages as a result of being schooled in the multi-racial schools of SA.</p>
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		<title>By: Thuba Mthembu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thuba Mthembu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoh! I&#039;ve never read so much truth in just a few paragraphs. You&#039;ve definately hit the nail on the head! I&#039;m coconut (well, wateva that is!) and not exactly proud of it. How do you begin to explain to yourself let aloone to your zulu parents that you don&#039;t agree with their traditions, belioefs etc. My parents being who they really don&#039;t see the issue in beating up their 17 year old son if he dared to speak up about all these issues! I really enjoyed reading your articles adn looking forward to more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoh! I&#8217;ve never read so much truth in just a few paragraphs. You&#8217;ve definately hit the nail on the head! I&#8217;m coconut (well, wateva that is!) and not exactly proud of it. How do you begin to explain to yourself let aloone to your zulu parents that you don&#8217;t agree with their traditions, belioefs etc. My parents being who they really don&#8217;t see the issue in beating up their 17 year old son if he dared to speak up about all these issues! I really enjoyed reading your articles adn looking forward to more!</p>
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		<title>By: Nzuzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nzuzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ndumiso,

I have just re-read your article/blog above. In my opinion, if I were to grade it, it would get a DISMAL. I am so sorry, it is so uninformed and ignorant. First of all, you have no clue what white values are. And the three points you made above are not representtive of a larger population of those you call coconuts. You have no clue  of what you&#039;re talking about. I a have made my conclusion  right there in the middle of your article before I read further that you do not have substantial evidence to back up your argument. SO BIASED AND UNINFORMED. It would have been even more professional if you cited some form of academic or journalistic research on this topic. Any Joe on the street could write this junk and make their own uneducated and prejudiced comments.
-First of all you have NO CLUE   as to white values are and I am included in the bracket. Could it be that what you are trying explain is &#039;POP CULTURE&#039; of which some may feel offended by freedoms that many so-called coconuts enjoy, or should I say they harbor some inferior complexity, which, in my opnion is ridiculously silly.

Let me ask you a question, South Africa is a diverse nation with so many nationalities and languages, with English being the most official/universal. How come you do not criticize Indians or Coloreds who speak with English and Afrikaner accents, when all of them are dark skinned and half white. They have their own culture and values, but choose to adopt or embrace Western and Eurocentric culture as well. We live in global village. SO get over it. 

I do not believe, not for one minute, that you wer setting a trap by writing this article or any other article related to this. You know wxactly what you were doing an dof course you were anticipating a repsonse. Now quit insulting our intelligence. At least you have to be intuitive enough to know that some if not most of your readers are critics as well,  and can read between the lines.
I have no qulams with Black people with western or Eurocentric accent. If they choose to abandon their culture or values , it their problem. What matters to me t he most is what one can do for their brother or sister-(i.e. make a difference in your own community or society).
Petty stuff like judging people for how they look or speak is way too shallow in my book and it does not contribute in anyway to our well-being. It&#039;s like gossiping, which is mostly fuelled by people who are not happy with themselves or have too much time in their hands, spreads like wild-fire and the next hing you know you have all this judging and character bashing comments above(including mine)..

And my next question wold be, how on earth could you write this article when our very people are so critical or should embarrased of their own who speak fluent Zulu or Xhosa with what we call a &#039;country accent&#039;. When I was growing up young people used to call them ooBaru, just because they grew up ezilalini and are clueless when it comes to eKasi Taal or just popular culture, period.

we live in the 21st century, and what does speech have to do with African values?  Values are not only extrinsic.. You cannot make conclusions about people by what you see or hear. We&#039;re so wrapped up in technology advancement and trying to grab the latest gadgets and toys, forgetting all of us definitely have some coconut fabric in ourselves.

South African  educational institutions  and workplaces are integrated because we fought for those privileges. Many have made friends with White people, and now you have a problem about it?
How are we supposed to produce competent youth if they;re not influennt in the most universal language(English). So what is a parent supposed to do when English teachers, teach English in Xhosa, if you raising a child with dreams of excelling in college/university. I know my argument maybe somewhat out of context, but I often look at the bigger picture. 

There is definitely nothing wrong with Blackness or having an African accent- infact I am proud of my African accent, but they way I choose to speak a foreign language should not reduce my entire personality or the real me to being labelled a coconut. In my book, that is a complete shallow view of ones whole-being and values. Hey, if a black person speaks like Oprah Winfrey, but has a big heart and in love and at peace with his or her neighbor- it&#039;s enough for me. And if one is offended by how one speaks- that is some form of prejudice in my opinion. It&#039;s funny how we slam people for speaking a certain way, but we always applaud other ethnic groups(esp. whites) for incorrectly pronouncing Zulu or Xhosa dialects-  when they speak in our accents. And when they speak our languages fluently with African Accents nobody complains.
 Have you ever been in a foreign country where you had to repeat yourself because they do not understand a word you are saying, even when you speak in their own langauage?
I am not saying one should completely abandon their instrinsic blackness. Being accomodative to other cultures is who we are. And for those who forsake their blackness- they hve some deep-seated issues i don;t even care to entertian. And when your own people bad mouth you about speaking differently or choose to have white friends, is a double-standard to me,  when we wear, drive and use brands of products mae by whites and other ethnicities that are not African. Our culture is so diluted- and I find it unjust to judge people based on those facts you pointed about.

In sumary, I am not impressed - not this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ndumiso,</p>
<p>I have just re-read your article/blog above. In my opinion, if I were to grade it, it would get a DISMAL. I am so sorry, it is so uninformed and ignorant. First of all, you have no clue what white values are. And the three points you made above are not representtive of a larger population of those you call coconuts. You have no clue  of what you&#8217;re talking about. I a have made my conclusion  right there in the middle of your article before I read further that you do not have substantial evidence to back up your argument. SO BIASED AND UNINFORMED. It would have been even more professional if you cited some form of academic or journalistic research on this topic. Any Joe on the street could write this junk and make their own uneducated and prejudiced comments.<br />
-First of all you have NO CLUE   as to white values are and I am included in the bracket. Could it be that what you are trying explain is &#8216;POP CULTURE&#8217; of which some may feel offended by freedoms that many so-called coconuts enjoy, or should I say they harbor some inferior complexity, which, in my opnion is ridiculously silly.</p>
<p>Let me ask you a question, South Africa is a diverse nation with so many nationalities and languages, with English being the most official/universal. How come you do not criticize Indians or Coloreds who speak with English and Afrikaner accents, when all of them are dark skinned and half white. They have their own culture and values, but choose to adopt or embrace Western and Eurocentric culture as well. We live in global village. SO get over it. </p>
<p>I do not believe, not for one minute, that you wer setting a trap by writing this article or any other article related to this. You know wxactly what you were doing an dof course you were anticipating a repsonse. Now quit insulting our intelligence. At least you have to be intuitive enough to know that some if not most of your readers are critics as well,  and can read between the lines.<br />
I have no qulams with Black people with western or Eurocentric accent. If they choose to abandon their culture or values , it their problem. What matters to me t he most is what one can do for their brother or sister-(i.e. make a difference in your own community or society).<br />
Petty stuff like judging people for how they look or speak is way too shallow in my book and it does not contribute in anyway to our well-being. It&#8217;s like gossiping, which is mostly fuelled by people who are not happy with themselves or have too much time in their hands, spreads like wild-fire and the next hing you know you have all this judging and character bashing comments above(including mine)..</p>
<p>And my next question wold be, how on earth could you write this article when our very people are so critical or should embarrased of their own who speak fluent Zulu or Xhosa with what we call a &#8216;country accent&#8217;. When I was growing up young people used to call them ooBaru, just because they grew up ezilalini and are clueless when it comes to eKasi Taal or just popular culture, period.</p>
<p>we live in the 21st century, and what does speech have to do with African values?  Values are not only extrinsic.. You cannot make conclusions about people by what you see or hear. We&#8217;re so wrapped up in technology advancement and trying to grab the latest gadgets and toys, forgetting all of us definitely have some coconut fabric in ourselves.</p>
<p>South African  educational institutions  and workplaces are integrated because we fought for those privileges. Many have made friends with White people, and now you have a problem about it?<br />
How are we supposed to produce competent youth if they;re not influennt in the most universal language(English). So what is a parent supposed to do when English teachers, teach English in Xhosa, if you raising a child with dreams of excelling in college/university. I know my argument maybe somewhat out of context, but I often look at the bigger picture. </p>
<p>There is definitely nothing wrong with Blackness or having an African accent- infact I am proud of my African accent, but they way I choose to speak a foreign language should not reduce my entire personality or the real me to being labelled a coconut. In my book, that is a complete shallow view of ones whole-being and values. Hey, if a black person speaks like Oprah Winfrey, but has a big heart and in love and at peace with his or her neighbor- it&#8217;s enough for me. And if one is offended by how one speaks- that is some form of prejudice in my opinion. It&#8217;s funny how we slam people for speaking a certain way, but we always applaud other ethnic groups(esp. whites) for incorrectly pronouncing Zulu or Xhosa dialects-  when they speak in our accents. And when they speak our languages fluently with African Accents nobody complains.<br />
 Have you ever been in a foreign country where you had to repeat yourself because they do not understand a word you are saying, even when you speak in their own langauage?<br />
I am not saying one should completely abandon their instrinsic blackness. Being accomodative to other cultures is who we are. And for those who forsake their blackness- they hve some deep-seated issues i don;t even care to entertian. And when your own people bad mouth you about speaking differently or choose to have white friends, is a double-standard to me,  when we wear, drive and use brands of products mae by whites and other ethnicities that are not African. Our culture is so diluted- and I find it unjust to judge people based on those facts you pointed about.</p>
<p>In sumary, I am not impressed &#8211; not this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Nzuzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nzuzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer my question: If Iam a coconut.. I am proud for my babies&#039; and my husband&#039;s sake, my black, English speaking friends, in-laws, church family... and white sisters in Christ. Dang, I am so proud.. And they do not judge how I articulate but appreciate what&#039;s on the inside- which MATTERS THE MOST. And i cannot help the insecurities of those who hear me speak in a mixed accent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer my question: If Iam a coconut.. I am proud for my babies&#8217; and my husband&#8217;s sake, my black, English speaking friends, in-laws, church family&#8230; and white sisters in Christ. Dang, I am so proud.. And they do not judge how I articulate but appreciate what&#8217;s on the inside- which MATTERS THE MOST. And i cannot help the insecurities of those who hear me speak in a mixed accent.</p>
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		<title>By: Nzuzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nzuzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am black female married to an Africa-American with Africa- American kids-raised with a mixture of South African and African-American  and Christian values, I still have my African accent  speak my mother-toungue occasionally, and  English is predominant in my household, does that make me a coconut?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am black female married to an Africa-American with Africa- American kids-raised with a mixture of South African and African-American  and Christian values, I still have my African accent  speak my mother-toungue occasionally, and  English is predominant in my household, does that make me a coconut?</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australians, Canadians and Americans also speak English, and the constitution of India is written in English (which is one of India&#039;s official languages).

English is an international language - and the world&#039;s main computer language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australians, Canadians and Americans also speak English, and the constitution of India is written in English (which is one of India&#8217;s official languages).</p>
<p>English is an international language &#8211; and the world&#8217;s main computer language.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the end of the day, despite the fact that we are all South African - yes South Africans with different languages, cultures &amp; traditions, we are also part of a global world - a global world that communicates to a large degree in English, hence the speaking of &quot;good&quot; English is maybe wanting to be more worldly &amp; not necessarily more &quot;white&quot;. (Just a thought!)  
I also think the term &quot;Eurocentric&quot; is used a bit too loosely because Europe is made up of non English speaking countries, so is a &quot;coconut&quot; really &quot;Eurocentric&quot;?  
If we nitpick, geographically speaking, England is not part of Europe &amp; I don&#039;t think many Brits would happily consider themselves &quot;European&quot; either!
So instead of using the word &quot;Eurocentric&quot; maybe it should be substituted for &quot;Anglophile&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day, despite the fact that we are all South African &#8211; yes South Africans with different languages, cultures &amp; traditions, we are also part of a global world &#8211; a global world that communicates to a large degree in English, hence the speaking of &#8220;good&#8221; English is maybe wanting to be more worldly &amp; not necessarily more &#8220;white&#8221;. (Just a thought!)<br />
I also think the term &#8220;Eurocentric&#8221; is used a bit too loosely because Europe is made up of non English speaking countries, so is a &#8220;coconut&#8221; really &#8220;Eurocentric&#8221;?<br />
If we nitpick, geographically speaking, England is not part of Europe &amp; I don&#8217;t think many Brits would happily consider themselves &#8220;European&#8221; either!<br />
So instead of using the word &#8220;Eurocentric&#8221; maybe it should be substituted for &#8220;Anglophile&#8221;.</p>
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