Comments on: SA Jewish Board of Deputies must condemn Israel’s actions

By: Joshua

Joshua — Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:10:12 +0000

binyamin – learn some history and torah before trying to use them to your advantage. It is a misconnection that jews thrived under muslim rule. Jews were being murdered by christians and muslims instituted discriminatory laws against Jews. Yes the discrimination was far better than the murder in Europe but is does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that we were well treated. (50% tax , no taller buildings etc…)

My bunch of Yahoos are only 12 million strong yes but we have survived 4000 years of history. “we are the smallest of nations but with a friend in the highest of places”

Palestinian children deserve the care that any child deserves that is why it is so disgusting the manner in which palestinian children are used as human shields by the likes of hamas.

By: John

John — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:10:56 +0000

In paragraph five of the article, it is mentioned that the number of deaths caused is conveniently omitted. Perhaps another thing is also conveniently omitted. Perhaps, just perhaps, God has set aside that land for the people of Israel. Remember, He promised it to them as an everlasting possession. God never breaks His promises. If God has made that promise, and if He has determined that it shall be so, then no power in the world can oppose His will and His plans, however it may seem to the contrary.

If it is thought that God is being unfair, or unjust, or whatever, it may be good to remember that He describes Himself as all knowing. He sees the motives of each heart. He knows the beginning from the end. He describes Himself as Alpha and Omega. He does not need our counsel or advice on any matter. He makes it clear that it is us who need to make and keep our peace with Him. Then there would be peace amongst us all and there would be no rockets and weapons of war.

The final outcome of events in the land of Israel will be made known to all in the fullness of time, whether we believe that God exists or not. God does not depend on our belief in Him. His plans will be finally accomplished whether or not we acknowledge Him.

Just a little food for thought.

By: binyamin

binyamin — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:20:18 +0000

@Joshua: i’d like to know when your faith in G-d became more important than a Palestinian mother’s agony at losing her son? It couldn’t have been while you were reading the Torah because nowhere does it elevate the geo-politics of the region or even relate them to our faith in G-d. In fact, for thousands of years, our critical difference was an independence of faith from the actions and outcomes of mortals. We didn’t believe prayer made us superior to others; it was a personal connection to divinity and a means to develop ourselves into better, more caring human beings. But i fear the fundamentalist rabi or logic to which you subscribe has perverted this and thus misleads this forum. Jews have an archeologically-proven and spiritual connection to the land, that is all. In all fairness to our Palestinian brothers, the land should be shared equitably – a notion that sadly offends the foreign policies of Washington and its merry Evangelicals. While we’re on history, the Muslims were such gracious landlords to us in Spain, we called that era the Golden Age. It would be nice to return the favour. Joshua and his ilk will be unable to agree, but they’re such a tiny minority of yahoos, we shouldn’t pay attention to them. They’ve lost the ability to think critically anyway.

@Grant Walisser: agreed, 100%. @SD, nice discourse but why an obscenely one-sided after such a good introduction?

By: Joshua

Joshua — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:39:47 +0000

Una – a sizable number of jews also believe in no G-d and according to your logic this would mean Judaism is not connected to G-d. PS In the SAME MANNER THAT JUDAISM CANNOT BE SEPARATED FROM G-D nether can zionism be separated from Judaism. Judaism is a contract between one G-d one People and One land the exclusion of any part nullifies the one religion

By: Joshua

Joshua — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:35:10 +0000

“The Goldstone Report in terms of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict confirms this truth” wow and u actually believe that

By: Una

Una — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:24:45 +0000

Adam

I agree with you absolutely. However in your last sentence were you not referring to the necessity of separation of state and religion or am I mistaken? In reality a sizable number of Jews do not subscribe to Zionism it is important to note that

By: Grant Walliser

Grant Walliser — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:34:49 +0000

Anybody who is foolish enough to take one side in this debate shows how little they truly understand the situation.

By: CiA

CiA — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:34:11 +0000

So SD is stating the obvious. So what. Unlike those in the pro-Israel lobby above, me thinks that it is time Israel is recognised for what it is. Not a bastion of democracy and civilisation, but a state that would feel at home in the company of other rogue countries such as Iran, Sudan and North Korea. It should be ostracised like its soul-mates. However, I agree with Adam above. To be clear, the problem is Israel, not Jewishness.

By: Kevern

Kevern — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:02:33 +0000

@nissim
Kindly paint a different picture for us so that we judge u against the truth of your own saying.
Fact that I know is that:
Only the said conflict is the major issue that apparently needs world attention but the underlying cause of conflict is either a mystery or a secret.

By: nissim

nissim — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:20:03 +0000

@sha
what planet do you live on to say that “it’s about time someone said it as it is”?

besides the fact that he isn’t “telling it as it is” (he is telling it merely as he sees it) … the sad reality is that SD isn’t actually saying anything that a million wannabe-journalists-but-just-opinionated-overgrown-angry-youths-on-computers haven’t said already.

…And that this potentially venerable marketplace of ideas and opinions is humouring this amateur.