Comments on: Some of my favourite examples of the race card http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeff http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93660 Jeff Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:40:20 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93660 @Phillipa Lipinsky, One point is you can throw money at the educational problem to your heart's content and it will not solve the problem of poor people getting an education. That requires a functional education system with high standards, and a work ethic all round from teachers and pupils/students. I am involved at a school of young black children from the townships. The school fees are very low. Unfortunately the work ethic of a lot of the teachers and almost all the children is appalling. If these kids parents paid nothing for it, the results would be the same. In fact the parents pay for this because it is a much higher standard than is generally available in the townships. Despite "free education" most of my childhood friends ended up as coalminers, steelworkers, or labourers. Their parents used the extra money for beer, cigarettes and gambling. Malema would be better off calling for a change of attitude in the home towards discipline, hard work and respect. I have seen "free education" at work. I succeeded because my parents made me work, whereas my friends' parents didn't. I've seen socialism and it eventually drains everything from the economy and is a drift towards the lowest common denominator in society. People getting paid more for not working than for getting job. A recipe for disaster in the long run. @Phillipa Lipinsky,
One point is you can throw money at the educational problem to your heart’s content and it will not solve the problem of poor people getting an education. That requires a functional education system with high standards, and a work ethic all round from teachers and pupils/students.
I am involved at a school of young black children from the townships. The school fees are very low. Unfortunately the work ethic of a lot of the teachers and almost all the children is appalling. If these kids parents paid nothing for it, the results would be the same. In fact the parents pay for this because it is a much higher standard than is generally available in the townships.
Despite “free education” most of my childhood friends ended up as coalminers, steelworkers, or labourers. Their parents used the extra money for beer, cigarettes and gambling. Malema would be better off calling for a change of attitude in the home towards discipline, hard work and respect. I have seen “free education” at work. I succeeded because my parents made me work, whereas my friends’ parents didn’t.
I’ve seen socialism and it eventually drains everything from the economy and is a drift towards the lowest common denominator in society. People getting paid more for not working than for getting job. A recipe for disaster in the long run.

]]> By: Phillipa Lipinski http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93557 Phillipa Lipinski Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:53:17 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93557 @Jeff: and your point is? @Jeff: and your point is?

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93484 Jeff Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:33:23 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93484 @Phemelo, Exactly! As I said I know what crap is when I hear it in English. Also, when I see and smell it. If Malema can't express himself adequately in English then I suggest he keeps to Sepedi. Then at least the majority of us would not have to put up with the crap, only the poor Sepedi speakers. There is no such thing as "free education", someone, somewhere has to pay for it. In this case it will be paid for from the taxes of the much-maligned capitalists. I have no problem with the taxpayer paying for the education of those who genuinely can't afford it. I got such an education myself. My father was a coalminer and could not read or write. My family were Marxists. South Africa does not have the tax-base to support "free education" along with the supposed NHI. If I failed a course at university in the UK, I would have lost my education grant. No second chance even if the university would accept me back. I couldn't afford to fail! Not like here where people accumulate a degree over any number of years. Julius portrays himself on TV quite adequately. That is him we see performing, not a figment of the media's imagination. We see him, we hear him. Unfortunately. @Phemelo,
Exactly! As I said I know what crap is when I hear it in English. Also, when I see and smell it.
If Malema can’t express himself adequately in English then I suggest he keeps to Sepedi. Then at least the majority of us would not have to put up with the crap, only the poor Sepedi speakers.
There is no such thing as “free education”, someone, somewhere has to pay for it. In this case it will be paid for from the taxes of the much-maligned capitalists.
I have no problem with the taxpayer paying for the education of those who genuinely can’t afford it. I got such an education myself. My father was a coalminer and could not read or write. My family were Marxists. South Africa does not have the tax-base to support “free education” along with the supposed NHI.
If I failed a course at university in the UK, I would have lost my education grant. No second chance even if the university would accept me back. I couldn’t afford to fail! Not like here where people accumulate a degree over any number of years.
Julius portrays himself on TV quite adequately. That is him we see performing, not a figment of the media’s imagination. We see him, we hear him. Unfortunately.

]]> By: Phemelo http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93450 Phemelo Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:57:30 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93450 @Tlanch Tau That is why I do not have White friends so that I should not be apologetic when engaging in empowerment/affirmative action issues.You see some White folks tend to remind us how they built this country and continent and thus will not let go.I want to continue to be bold enough to raise these issues especially racism,land dispossession,slavery,exploitation,poverty amongst the majority,unemployment,crime,etc.If you want to appease your best friends,it's your choice broer. @Jeff Crap is: 1. the offensive word for something useless,nonsense or worthless 2. an offensive word to describe passing out solid waste matter out of the body through the anus When Julius demands free education from JZ you dont hear that it is crap due to your prejudicial stance since he said he will kill for Zuma.This and many other issues that seek to address the aspirations of the youth, especially Black are crapped out by the Capitalist, White press.They only quote Julius on issues that will create sensation so as to hide real issues.I had an opportunity to speak and listen to Julius in Moshaweng and was quite the opposite of what the media portrays him to be.I think Julius is the rough diamond that JZ portrays him to be and shouldbe polished but so long as he does not stop t speak Sepedi in English.There are issues that you can express better in own tongue. @Tlanch Tau

That is why I do not have White friends so that I should not be apologetic when engaging in empowerment/affirmative action issues.You see some White folks tend to remind us how they built this country and continent and thus will not let go.I want to continue to be bold enough to raise these issues especially racism,land dispossession,slavery,exploitation,poverty amongst the majority,unemployment,crime,etc.If you want to appease your best friends,it’s your choice broer.

@Jeff
Crap is:
1. the offensive word for something useless,nonsense or worthless
2. an offensive word to describe passing out solid waste matter out of the body through the anus

When Julius demands free education from JZ you dont hear that it is crap due to your prejudicial stance since he said he will kill for Zuma.This and many other issues that seek to address the aspirations of the youth, especially Black are crapped out by the Capitalist, White press.They only quote Julius on issues that will create sensation so as to hide real issues.I had an opportunity to speak and listen to Julius in Moshaweng and was quite the opposite of what the media portrays him to be.I think Julius is the rough diamond that JZ portrays him to be and shouldbe polished but so long as he does not stop t speak Sepedi in English.There are issues that you can express better in own tongue.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93342 Jeff Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:07:02 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93342 @Phillipa Lipinsky, Just like hundreds of years ago there were no national borders in Europe. Europeans of different tribes moved freely over the continent. So all of Europe belonged to all Europeans. Your argument is totally ridiculous. So everybody owns everything. You idiocy knows no boundaries either. Strong tribes everywhere defeated the weaker and took what they wanted. Just as Shaka Zulu did here. Just as the Bantu and the herders pushed the hunter-gatherers further south and west in Africa. Whites in Europe committed horrible atrocities against other whites. Sometimes it was different races (tribes), later on it was done in the name of religion. If I was black I would hold you in contempt for your patronising attitude. I think black people have put up with enough from patronising whites @Phillipa Lipinsky,
Just like hundreds of years ago there were no national borders in Europe. Europeans of different tribes moved freely over the continent. So all of Europe belonged to all Europeans.
Your argument is totally ridiculous. So everybody owns everything. You idiocy knows no boundaries either.
Strong tribes everywhere defeated the weaker and took what they wanted. Just as Shaka Zulu did here. Just as the Bantu and the herders pushed the hunter-gatherers further south and west in Africa.
Whites in Europe committed horrible atrocities against other whites. Sometimes it was different races (tribes), later on it was done in the name of religion.
If I was black I would hold you in contempt for your patronising attitude. I think black people have put up with enough from patronising whites

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93340 Jeff Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:58:19 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93340 @Tlanch Tau, "Just like when a white lady or guy cuts me off or is being slow I will just scream “asshole” not because they are white but because they cut me off". Just like when a black person cuts me off I scream "asshole" not because they are black but because they cut me off. No racism involved in either case. @Tlanch Tau,
“Just like when a white lady or guy cuts me off or is being slow I will just scream “asshole” not because they are white but because they cut me off”.
Just like when a black person cuts me off I scream “asshole” not because they are black but because they cut me off.
No racism involved in either case.

]]> By: Phillipa Lipinsky http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93239 Phillipa Lipinsky Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:06:43 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93239 yhchrana: Don't take Lyndall Beddy seriously. She is desperate to absolve whites of the terrible atrocities they committed against Africans when they first came to SA. More than anything, she is so simple as not to realise that before settlers came to Africa, there were no national borders. Africans moved freely about the continent, so all of Africa belonged to ALL Africans. yhchrana: Don’t take Lyndall Beddy seriously. She is desperate to absolve whites of the terrible atrocities they committed against Africans when they first came to SA. More than anything, she is so simple as not to realise that before settlers came to Africa, there were no national borders. Africans moved freely about the continent, so all of Africa belonged to ALL Africans.

]]> By: Tlanch Tau http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93152 Tlanch Tau Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:46:16 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93152 @S.P.van Niekerk on September 11th, 2009 at 12:59 pm Your surname says it all. @Ivan Cole on September 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm\ And I say it seems like many whites who are commenting here are denying that there is racism in SA. It’s no longer over, it’s is now covert. Are you denying that there is racism and institutional racism in corporate SA? And yes you will no cry racism because you are still reaping the rewards of privilege. @Phemelo on September 11th, 2009 at 11:05 pm Everything you said is true and I understand you, but was there no other polite way of saying it? Now these people are going to point towards your comment in their claims that blacks are racist and all that. But I love the fact that you and Julius have the courage to say these things openly. I respect that. I wish I could do that but then “some of my best friends are whites” so I can’t say them. @S.P.van Niekerk on September 11th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Your surname says it all.
@Ivan Cole on September 11th, 2009 at 3:17 pm\
And I say it seems like many whites who are commenting here are denying that there is racism in SA. It’s no longer over, it’s is now covert. Are you denying that there is racism and institutional racism in corporate SA? And yes you will no cry racism because you are still reaping the rewards of privilege.
@Phemelo on September 11th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Everything you said is true and I understand you, but was there no other polite way of saying it? Now these people are going to point towards your comment in their claims that blacks are racist and all that. But I love the fact that you and Julius have the courage to say these things openly. I respect that. I wish I could do that but then “some of my best friends are whites” so I can’t say them.

]]> By: Tlanch Tau http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93151 Tlanch Tau Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:45:20 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93151 @Sarah Britten on September 11th, 2009 at 12:43 pm If you are not denying that there is racism in SA, what are you doing as a Thought Leader to try and help resolve this issue so that the blacks can stop using “the race card”? Do you have equal examples of racism or are you just in denial that even when you see them you decide to look the other way around? @pete ess on September 11th, 2009 at 12:18 pm Like when a taxi goes by, think: “Sixteen people going to work and only taking up one car’s space . .” It’s just a thought, thassall. I love that, and that’s exactly how I have always looked at it. Yes there are times when I get cut off in a violent way and to make myself feel better I just scream “you flippin nuts” and that’s it. Just like when a white lady or guy cuts me off or is being slow I will just scream “asshole” not because they are white but because they cut me off. @Sarah Britten on September 11th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
If you are not denying that there is racism in SA, what are you doing as a Thought Leader to try and help resolve this issue so that the blacks can stop using “the race card”? Do you have equal examples of racism or are you just in denial that even when you see them you decide to look the other way around?

@pete ess on September 11th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Like when a taxi goes by, think: “Sixteen people going to work and only taking up one car’s space . .” It’s just a thought, thassall.

I love that, and that’s exactly how I have always looked at it. Yes there are times when I get cut off in a violent way and to make myself feel better I just scream “you flippin nuts” and that’s it. Just like when a white lady or guy cuts me off or is being slow I will just scream “asshole” not because they are white but because they cut me off.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/comment-page-1/#comment-93140 Jeff Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:25:03 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sarahbritten/2009/09/09/some-of-my-favourite-examples-of-the-race-card/#comment-93140 Sorry. Should have read: "accuse people of racism" not "accuse people of playing the race card". Too excited after watching the rugby. Sorry. Should have read:
“accuse people of racism” not “accuse people of playing the race card”.
Too excited after watching the rugby.

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