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		<title>By: Monde Nkasawe</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-6498</link>
		<dc:creator>Monde Nkasawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Ryland, how do you define racism? Do you regard it as some form of racism to seek to transform our society in order to reverse the legacy of centuries of colonialism and apartheid? Is it being racist to say that the economy is still dominated by white people? The preamble of our Constitution states that South Africa belongs to all who live in it, united in diversity. Would you suggest for example that this constitutional acknowledgement of &#039;diversity&#039; and its enjoyment by diverse groups is intrinsically racist? What is racist about white people (or black people) enjoying one another&#039;s company? For that matter is it being racist for two people, one white and another black, to hate one another&#039;s guts? I mean, if my white neighbour plays loud music and I hate him for it, am I being a racist? If in this constitutional mosaic of diversity one group expresses an anxiety about being dominated (for example white people and affirmative action), is this anxiousness motivated fundamentally by racism? Ultimately, what I&#039;m grappling with here is this: If none of us are oppressed, as we were under apartheid, how can there be racism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Ryland, how do you define racism? Do you regard it as some form of racism to seek to transform our society in order to reverse the legacy of centuries of colonialism and apartheid? Is it being racist to say that the economy is still dominated by white people? The preamble of our Constitution states that South Africa belongs to all who live in it, united in diversity. Would you suggest for example that this constitutional acknowledgement of &#8216;diversity&#8217; and its enjoyment by diverse groups is intrinsically racist? What is racist about white people (or black people) enjoying one another&#8217;s company? For that matter is it being racist for two people, one white and another black, to hate one another&#8217;s guts? I mean, if my white neighbour plays loud music and I hate him for it, am I being a racist? If in this constitutional mosaic of diversity one group expresses an anxiety about being dominated (for example white people and affirmative action), is this anxiousness motivated fundamentally by racism? Ultimately, what I&#8217;m grappling with here is this: If none of us are oppressed, as we were under apartheid, how can there be racism?</p>
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		<title>By: James Gerello</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-6478</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gerello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any discussion on racim would be self defeating. Nobody wants to discuss their private prejudices and let&#039;s face it everyone has some. 
   However am open discussion amongst Jews, Indians, Xhosas, Zulus, ENglish &amp; Afrikaans amongst others disussing why the PREFER their own culture would be very revealing and contribute to far better understanding between SA race groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any discussion on racim would be self defeating. Nobody wants to discuss their private prejudices and let&#8217;s face it everyone has some.<br />
   However am open discussion amongst Jews, Indians, Xhosas, Zulus, ENglish &amp; Afrikaans amongst others disussing why the PREFER their own culture would be very revealing and contribute to far better understanding between SA race groups.</p>
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		<title>By: aksn1p3r</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-6257</link>
		<dc:creator>aksn1p3r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard so many slanders against Indians. It is not good to label and apply a shameful historical reference onto the newer generation. As soon as the parents and grandparents quit teaching their children these words indoors, the next generation will neither know what that taboo word is nor how to use it effectively.

Blacks are racist too. Most Indians don&#039;t know, but you are the jananda, chara, koola. Some rural indians are very racist. When they spurt out slangs, the only way to describe a black person is darki. I feel so damn disgusted at the person that even if he talks to me normally, his presence is ignored.

I believe that the silence amongst the White community is not because they want to shut up, its because even if they say anything, the Black community points a finger and calls them racist! I&#039;m neutral, I have all types of friends! I watched how everything transitioned and I would teach my kids(if ever) about life and not colour!

Another very racist factor in the workplace is when black people, who know that we non-blacks can&#039;t understand a word of venda, sotho, xhosa etc... start babbling loudly, yes it sounds like babble, in a work place that should be concentratiing on productivity as a team, not your private, yet public conversation. He could be saying, &quot;the chara&#039;s wife is hot&quot; you wouldn&#039;t even know :P

I would also like to add, although the Jewish community is &quot;taking back their streets&quot; in the Northern Suburbs, their seclusion from other races really gets me asking, is it their religion not to blend or is it racist, I mean, they cross the road when they see me approaching!? Yes, every staunch-looking Jewish has done it to me! I&#039;m alone, they are alone, we are approacing, he crosses the road! Not all Jews are that elusive, one of my best friends is a Jew and we can chat, laugh and diss each other without using racist words, and we talk bout how our religions do certain things in comparison.

Inconsideration towards other races just because BEE, AA or you religion says so... is RACIST! 

Bashing another race and making that the basis of your niche group, IS ALSO BLERRIE RACIST! half of that group probably wanna swear at and shut the ignorant one up.

Damn you hypocrites! I wonder how people defend themselves when they are rightfully accused of being racist.

Where is Ubuntu!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard so many slanders against Indians. It is not good to label and apply a shameful historical reference onto the newer generation. As soon as the parents and grandparents quit teaching their children these words indoors, the next generation will neither know what that taboo word is nor how to use it effectively.</p>
<p>Blacks are racist too. Most Indians don&#8217;t know, but you are the jananda, chara, koola. Some rural indians are very racist. When they spurt out slangs, the only way to describe a black person is darki. I feel so damn disgusted at the person that even if he talks to me normally, his presence is ignored.</p>
<p>I believe that the silence amongst the White community is not because they want to shut up, its because even if they say anything, the Black community points a finger and calls them racist! I&#8217;m neutral, I have all types of friends! I watched how everything transitioned and I would teach my kids(if ever) about life and not colour!</p>
<p>Another very racist factor in the workplace is when black people, who know that we non-blacks can&#8217;t understand a word of venda, sotho, xhosa etc&#8230; start babbling loudly, yes it sounds like babble, in a work place that should be concentratiing on productivity as a team, not your private, yet public conversation. He could be saying, &#8220;the chara&#8217;s wife is hot&#8221; you wouldn&#8217;t even know <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would also like to add, although the Jewish community is &#8220;taking back their streets&#8221; in the Northern Suburbs, their seclusion from other races really gets me asking, is it their religion not to blend or is it racist, I mean, they cross the road when they see me approaching!? Yes, every staunch-looking Jewish has done it to me! I&#8217;m alone, they are alone, we are approacing, he crosses the road! Not all Jews are that elusive, one of my best friends is a Jew and we can chat, laugh and diss each other without using racist words, and we talk bout how our religions do certain things in comparison.</p>
<p>Inconsideration towards other races just because BEE, AA or you religion says so&#8230; is RACIST! </p>
<p>Bashing another race and making that the basis of your niche group, IS ALSO BLERRIE RACIST! half of that group probably wanna swear at and shut the ignorant one up.</p>
<p>Damn you hypocrites! I wonder how people defend themselves when they are rightfully accused of being racist.</p>
<p>Where is Ubuntu!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-5220</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good article, Ryland.
And yes, it is important to have a national conversation about racism.
The two key issues that I see, however, are whites who are perpetually excusing racism or denying its effect on people, historically or currently. Whites seem unable to appreciate that apartheid wasn&#039;t just a set in inhuman laws, but that it affected people&#039;s lives from moment to moment in inhuman ways.

The second matter is that there are black people for whom racism is reductionist - to blame everything on racism when there are often other reasons or dynamics (stupidity, laziness, greed, etc) at work. By so doing they undermine the very problem we are trying to counter.

These two systems work against each other so that it becomes very difficult to have a conversation about racism that is beneficial and constructive.

That is the real challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good article, Ryland.<br />
And yes, it is important to have a national conversation about racism.<br />
The two key issues that I see, however, are whites who are perpetually excusing racism or denying its effect on people, historically or currently. Whites seem unable to appreciate that apartheid wasn&#8217;t just a set in inhuman laws, but that it affected people&#8217;s lives from moment to moment in inhuman ways.</p>
<p>The second matter is that there are black people for whom racism is reductionist &#8211; to blame everything on racism when there are often other reasons or dynamics (stupidity, laziness, greed, etc) at work. By so doing they undermine the very problem we are trying to counter.</p>
<p>These two systems work against each other so that it becomes very difficult to have a conversation about racism that is beneficial and constructive.</p>
<p>That is the real challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Skye Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-3033</link>
		<dc:creator>Skye Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations on speaking out Ryland! In a society as culturally diverse as ours is, with our conflict driven history, racism is inescapable.

All of us have sub-conscious perceptions about (and prejudices against) people who are different from us. In post-apartheid South Africa many people (particularly white people) are afraid to air these views for fear of the dreaded &quot;racist&quot; label.

For real dialogue between races to occur the stigma surrounding this word must be removed. Only once we acknowledge the fact that we are all different, and that we are constantly aware of these differences, can we overcome them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on speaking out Ryland! In a society as culturally diverse as ours is, with our conflict driven history, racism is inescapable.</p>
<p>All of us have sub-conscious perceptions about (and prejudices against) people who are different from us. In post-apartheid South Africa many people (particularly white people) are afraid to air these views for fear of the dreaded &#8220;racist&#8221; label.</p>
<p>For real dialogue between races to occur the stigma surrounding this word must be removed. Only once we acknowledge the fact that we are all different, and that we are constantly aware of these differences, can we overcome them.</p>
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		<title>By: James Gerello</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-2487</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gerello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone admitting racism? Racism is a tool: I see political grandstanding everyday.  Racist media statements by opportunist politicians inciting emotive responses in South Africa to cover administrative inadequacies, that is the order of the day.  Eaxample : &quot;we cannot enable our land equity bills because of historical racism&quot;. Those are the racist statements that incite and propogate racial hatred and intolerance.  The average white person is not this figure of race hatred often posted by the grandstanders... the average white person may or may not own a property, work hard, looks after their children and wants peace.
When asked a number of illegal immigrants a) why they had risked life and limb to get into SA, the answer was for a better life
when asked b) if they had been victims of racism, the answer was yes, everyday as nobody wanted to employ them, given them shelter or food. 

Many of life&#039;s challenges, personal short comings and inadequacies are credited to racism.

I think a general rule for all  bloggers and their claims, for example  of &#039;racism in Jhb northern suburbs&#039; should have the courage to qualify, quantity and post honest examples of so called racism.   

THis word has proved to be a catch all phrase for every personal grievance and seldom stands a true statement test when analysed. 

Instead of using every opportunity to air personal grievances, inadequacies and vague opinions about so called racism,  facts should be posted, opinions are dangerous in a racially tense SA. 

Too many claims for privilege, preference and position are being made by under qualified, unsuitable candidates under the banner of racism owes me.  People are reacting to the unfair claims, digging their heels in and if that is interpreted as racism, the interpreter knows little about racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone admitting racism? Racism is a tool: I see political grandstanding everyday.  Racist media statements by opportunist politicians inciting emotive responses in South Africa to cover administrative inadequacies, that is the order of the day.  Eaxample : &#8220;we cannot enable our land equity bills because of historical racism&#8221;. Those are the racist statements that incite and propogate racial hatred and intolerance.  The average white person is not this figure of race hatred often posted by the grandstanders&#8230; the average white person may or may not own a property, work hard, looks after their children and wants peace.<br />
When asked a number of illegal immigrants a) why they had risked life and limb to get into SA, the answer was for a better life<br />
when asked b) if they had been victims of racism, the answer was yes, everyday as nobody wanted to employ them, given them shelter or food. </p>
<p>Many of life&#8217;s challenges, personal short comings and inadequacies are credited to racism.</p>
<p>I think a general rule for all  bloggers and their claims, for example  of &#8216;racism in Jhb northern suburbs&#8217; should have the courage to qualify, quantity and post honest examples of so called racism.   </p>
<p>THis word has proved to be a catch all phrase for every personal grievance and seldom stands a true statement test when analysed. </p>
<p>Instead of using every opportunity to air personal grievances, inadequacies and vague opinions about so called racism,  facts should be posted, opinions are dangerous in a racially tense SA. </p>
<p>Too many claims for privilege, preference and position are being made by under qualified, unsuitable candidates under the banner of racism owes me.  People are reacting to the unfair claims, digging their heels in and if that is interpreted as racism, the interpreter knows little about racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Nana</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-2449</link>
		<dc:creator>Nana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an african woman who grew up in Botswana and did not become aware of racism until that tragic June day in 1976.  After living in the US in the 80s and SA for the last 10 years I have experienced the most demeaning and hurtful racism that sytematically disempowers and disarms all your defences that my kind of upbringing could never have prepared me for. I live in the JHB northern suburbs where a black person in many institutions is still an unwanted outsider. However I find that the overwhelming humanity and ubuntu that I experience in my dealings with black people often makes up for the relentless disrespect of certain sections of white society towards black people. I am now in Tunisia where I encounter daily acts of racism from Arabs and Europeans which is difficult to counter largely because of extreme ignorance about africans. What I know for sure that we are all capable of racisim depending on where you stand relative to the other but greater knowledge about the others brings understanding and acceptance of our differences.However, respect for people all people is a basic requirement in our dealings with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an african woman who grew up in Botswana and did not become aware of racism until that tragic June day in 1976.  After living in the US in the 80s and SA for the last 10 years I have experienced the most demeaning and hurtful racism that sytematically disempowers and disarms all your defences that my kind of upbringing could never have prepared me for. I live in the JHB northern suburbs where a black person in many institutions is still an unwanted outsider. However I find that the overwhelming humanity and ubuntu that I experience in my dealings with black people often makes up for the relentless disrespect of certain sections of white society towards black people. I am now in Tunisia where I encounter daily acts of racism from Arabs and Europeans which is difficult to counter largely because of extreme ignorance about africans. What I know for sure that we are all capable of racisim depending on where you stand relative to the other but greater knowledge about the others brings understanding and acceptance of our differences.However, respect for people all people is a basic requirement in our dealings with others.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindy Briginshaw</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rylandfisher/2007/09/29/all-of-us-are-racists/comment-page-1/#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindy Briginshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - we need to move beyond this place of seperation and race-determined individualism.  Its essential to dialogue openly and honestly about issues of race - and consider issues of belonging and proudly &#039;being&#039; South African - regardless of racial classification.  In my experience this dialogue and inter-racial interaction seldom occurs.  Instead we continue to co-exist in our individual predetermined silo&#039;s, based on our respective classification according to race and economic status.  

A research intern from our team at DEVELOPMENT WORKS recently attended the Seminar on &quot;Race&quot; at CCR and shared his experiences on http://developmentworks.wordpress.com./</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; we need to move beyond this place of seperation and race-determined individualism.  Its essential to dialogue openly and honestly about issues of race &#8211; and consider issues of belonging and proudly &#8216;being&#8217; South African &#8211; regardless of racial classification.  In my experience this dialogue and inter-racial interaction seldom occurs.  Instead we continue to co-exist in our individual predetermined silo&#8217;s, based on our respective classification according to race and economic status.  </p>
<p>A research intern from our team at DEVELOPMENT WORKS recently attended the Seminar on &#8220;Race&#8221; at CCR and shared his experiences on <a href="http://developmentworks.wordpress.com./" rel="nofollow">http://developmentworks.wordpress.com./</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ndumiso Ngcobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ndumiso Ngcobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, important piece, Ryland.

I must say that I agree with most of what you have to say.

1. I have also experienced the same &#039;ostritch head buried in the sand&#039; mentality among most of my white colleagues and friends. I cannot agree with you more that someone needs to start the ball rolling in order to get people out of their shells. I have had white people I have known for years come to me and speak to me frankly about racial issues since they read some of my essays in my book, &#039;Some of my best friends are white.&#039;

2. I am still hit with the &#039;black people are incapable of racism&#039; argument when I speak to some of my black friends about racism. The sooner we have these debates openly, the better.

I find that using humour disarms people and gets them to speak more openly. For other people, something else might work. I find that a well-timed &#039;so when is the last time you donnered a k*ffir?&#039; has worked wonders as an ice-breaker with Afrikaners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, important piece, Ryland.</p>
<p>I must say that I agree with most of what you have to say.</p>
<p>1. I have also experienced the same &#8216;ostritch head buried in the sand&#8217; mentality among most of my white colleagues and friends. I cannot agree with you more that someone needs to start the ball rolling in order to get people out of their shells. I have had white people I have known for years come to me and speak to me frankly about racial issues since they read some of my essays in my book, &#8216;Some of my best friends are white.&#8217;</p>
<p>2. I am still hit with the &#8216;black people are incapable of racism&#8217; argument when I speak to some of my black friends about racism. The sooner we have these debates openly, the better.</p>
<p>I find that using humour disarms people and gets them to speak more openly. For other people, something else might work. I find that a well-timed &#8216;so when is the last time you donnered a k*ffir?&#8217; has worked wonders as an ice-breaker with Afrikaners.</p>
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