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		<title>By: Pongoland</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-81776</link>
		<dc:creator>Pongoland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 10:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with everything Roy says, the point that Big Pharma is no paragon of scientific virtue is equally valid. And many of the drugs they pedal are far more dangerous than homeopathic placebos.

Misrepresenting the results of trials and bribing reputable journals to carry favourable reviews are just two of their tricks.

This post by Ben Goldacre of the UK Guardian is essential reading. (Why is there no hyperlink function?)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/09/bad-science-medical-journals-companies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with everything Roy says, the point that Big Pharma is no paragon of scientific virtue is equally valid. And many of the drugs they pedal are far more dangerous than homeopathic placebos.</p>
<p>Misrepresenting the results of trials and bribing reputable journals to carry favourable reviews are just two of their tricks.</p>
<p>This post by Ben Goldacre of the UK Guardian is essential reading. (Why is there no hyperlink function?)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/09/bad-science-medical-journals-companies" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/09/bad-science-medical-journals-companies</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-73986</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terryn 

I said right in the beginning - external use only. They still use comfey leaves for poultices on horses legs if sprained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terryn </p>
<p>I said right in the beginning &#8211; external use only. They still use comfey leaves for poultices on horses legs if sprained.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-73959</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Terryh

&quot;conferring Pope-like infallibility&quot; and &quot;cultish idolatory&quot;??? I hope you aren&#039;t referring to me. If so, I take exception. My whole blog was critical of the MCC/MRA.

I would like to know how you as a pharmacist, determine the quality of unregistered complementary medicines before you sell them. (You would know that the quality of registered medicines will have been assessed during the process of registration, and the manufacturers are obliged to maintain that quality for the medicine to remain registered.)

@Perry
I&#039;d refer you to paragraphs 45, 57 and 96 of Judge Zondi&#039;s judgment. Only the issue of &quot;registrability&quot; was related to the Schedule 2 substance. In paragraphs 45 and 57, the Rath product was declared a medicine and not a foodstuff. Para 96 concludes &quot;A substance which falls within the definition of &#039;medicine&#039; cannot be classified as foodstuff in terms of the Foodstuffs Act.&quot;

As for &quot;further costly, burdensome and essentially unnecessary bureaucratic regulation&quot; -- this is not the issue. We only have to *implement* the *existing* Medicines Act. I am astounded by the implication of your description of this as &quot;unnecessary&quot; -- do you really think it&#039;s OK to sell products where the quality has not been, and is not being independently validated? The Complementary medicines (including so-called food supplements making medicinal claims) industry is having a field day. No-one&#039;s checking up on them at all. They&#039;re free to sell products containing &quot;nothing&quot;, they&#039;re free to sell scam products!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Terryh</p>
<p>&#8220;conferring Pope-like infallibility&#8221; and &#8220;cultish idolatory&#8221;??? I hope you aren&#8217;t referring to me. If so, I take exception. My whole blog was critical of the MCC/MRA.</p>
<p>I would like to know how you as a pharmacist, determine the quality of unregistered complementary medicines before you sell them. (You would know that the quality of registered medicines will have been assessed during the process of registration, and the manufacturers are obliged to maintain that quality for the medicine to remain registered.)</p>
<p>@Perry<br />
I&#8217;d refer you to paragraphs 45, 57 and 96 of Judge Zondi&#8217;s judgment. Only the issue of &#8220;registrability&#8221; was related to the Schedule 2 substance. In paragraphs 45 and 57, the Rath product was declared a medicine and not a foodstuff. Para 96 concludes &#8220;A substance which falls within the definition of &#8216;medicine&#8217; cannot be classified as foodstuff in terms of the Foodstuffs Act.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for &#8220;further costly, burdensome and essentially unnecessary bureaucratic regulation&#8221; &#8212; this is not the issue. We only have to *implement* the *existing* Medicines Act. I am astounded by the implication of your description of this as &#8220;unnecessary&#8221; &#8212; do you really think it&#8217;s OK to sell products where the quality has not been, and is not being independently validated? The Complementary medicines (including so-called food supplements making medicinal claims) industry is having a field day. No-one&#8217;s checking up on them at all. They&#8217;re free to sell products containing &#8220;nothing&#8221;, they&#8217;re free to sell scam products!</p>
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		<title>By: Terryh</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-73937</link>
		<dc:creator>Terryh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall: Don&#039;t get carried away with Comfrey. It used to be a useful fodder additive until it was universally banned for use in animal feed - much like melamine in fodder and milk powder. You dont want to go there??

Keep it sensible. 

I&#039;m watching you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall: Don&#8217;t get carried away with Comfrey. It used to be a useful fodder additive until it was universally banned for use in animal feed &#8211; much like melamine in fodder and milk powder. You dont want to go there??</p>
<p>Keep it sensible. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m watching you!</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-73896</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Bond

The medical and pharmaceutical professions have been trying to badmouth herbs for centuries - no money to be made.

An excess of almost anything can cause cancer. Comfy is one of the best wound healers there is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Bond</p>
<p>The medical and pharmaceutical professions have been trying to badmouth herbs for centuries &#8211; no money to be made.</p>
<p>An excess of almost anything can cause cancer. Comfy is one of the best wound healers there is.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-73853</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Bond

&quot;Some&quot; tests on &quot;some&quot; animals does not cut it for me.

I eat butter not marge - butter is natural (and will give me a heart attack ), and marge is artificial ( and will give me cancer, but I can&#039;t bear the taste).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Bond</p>
<p>&#8220;Some&#8221; tests on &#8220;some&#8221; animals does not cut it for me.</p>
<p>I eat butter not marge &#8211; butter is natural (and will give me a heart attack ), and marge is artificial ( and will give me cancer, but I can&#8217;t bear the taste).</p>
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		<title>By: john Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>john Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall

Comfrey should not be used medicinally - either internally or externally. PERIOD.

Liver damage is common, if used internally
Cancer has been recorded in some skin tests of on animals</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall</p>
<p>Comfrey should not be used medicinally &#8211; either internally or externally. PERIOD.</p>
<p>Liver damage is common, if used internally<br />
Cancer has been recorded in some skin tests of on animals</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Curling-Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry Curling-Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy,

The legal merits of wrangling surrounding the activities of Mattias Rath were obfuscated by official AIDS denial and obstructive posturing by the health ministry.
 
Rath’s Vita Cell was registered as a foodstuff, but contained a schedule 2 substance, (N-aceylesteine) which rendered it liable for registration as a medicine in South Africa.

It was therefore a foodstuff which contained a scheduled substance, which is illegal, and simultaneously an unregistered medicine, the dispensing of which is also illegal.

To put possibly too fine a technical point upon it, ‘purported uses’ does not make a substance a medicine under the act, legal registration does.

The judgment correctly shut down Rath’s activities on the grounds of misleading advertising pertaining to his ‘trials’ and ‘therapies’, (illegal when applied to ‘medicinal’ claims in terms of the act) and quackery.

I have no problem with the judgment, but question the logic behind calls for further costly, burdensome and essentially unnecessary bureaucratic regulation to be imposed upon an already overregulated society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy,</p>
<p>The legal merits of wrangling surrounding the activities of Mattias Rath were obfuscated by official AIDS denial and obstructive posturing by the health ministry.</p>
<p>Rath’s Vita Cell was registered as a foodstuff, but contained a schedule 2 substance, (N-aceylesteine) which rendered it liable for registration as a medicine in South Africa.</p>
<p>It was therefore a foodstuff which contained a scheduled substance, which is illegal, and simultaneously an unregistered medicine, the dispensing of which is also illegal.</p>
<p>To put possibly too fine a technical point upon it, ‘purported uses’ does not make a substance a medicine under the act, legal registration does.</p>
<p>The judgment correctly shut down Rath’s activities on the grounds of misleading advertising pertaining to his ‘trials’ and ‘therapies’, (illegal when applied to ‘medicinal’ claims in terms of the act) and quackery.</p>
<p>I have no problem with the judgment, but question the logic behind calls for further costly, burdensome and essentially unnecessary bureaucratic regulation to be imposed upon an already overregulated society.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-73809</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rhubarb and potatoes are food.

I would not suggest you eat the leaves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhubarb and potatoes are food.</p>
<p>I would not suggest you eat the leaves!</p>
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		<title>By: Terryh</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/royjobson/2009/03/07/seven-fat-years/comment-page-1/#comment-73805</link>
		<dc:creator>Terryh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In conferring Pope-like infallibility on Statutory Regulatory bodies such as  the FDA/MHRA/MCCm,  you open yourself up to accusations of cultish unquestioning idolatry. Regulated medicines from big Pharma have, to put it mildly, been subject to much negative publicity with regard to concealing side effects, faking research and ghost writing of endorsements. Many of these side effects have been disabling or fatal and drugs have only been recalled well after first reports of adverse drug reactions have come to light. The patients are unlikely to succeed in suing big Pharma because the legal concept of pre-emption, which  indemnifies the drug company from litigation once FDA approved of the drug and wording of package leaflet.

Pharmacists have become the unwitting zombie foot soldiers of allopathic Pharma and are now subject to disciplinary action should they sell unregistered medicines. This means that a pharmacist must refuse to dispense a prescription for Probiotics like Lp229v, most vitamins, homeopathic and herbal formulae, even when prescribed by specialists. This, despite the medical aids being happy to pay for them and the MRA/MCC unwillingness to regulate or  engage with the complimentary  or traditional medicine industry.

There are many doctors now engaged in the &quot;Wellness&quot; craze sweeping the world, prescribing and dispensing CAM&#039;s to grateful and happy patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In conferring Pope-like infallibility on Statutory Regulatory bodies such as  the FDA/MHRA/MCCm,  you open yourself up to accusations of cultish unquestioning idolatry. Regulated medicines from big Pharma have, to put it mildly, been subject to much negative publicity with regard to concealing side effects, faking research and ghost writing of endorsements. Many of these side effects have been disabling or fatal and drugs have only been recalled well after first reports of adverse drug reactions have come to light. The patients are unlikely to succeed in suing big Pharma because the legal concept of pre-emption, which  indemnifies the drug company from litigation once FDA approved of the drug and wording of package leaflet.</p>
<p>Pharmacists have become the unwitting zombie foot soldiers of allopathic Pharma and are now subject to disciplinary action should they sell unregistered medicines. This means that a pharmacist must refuse to dispense a prescription for Probiotics like Lp229v, most vitamins, homeopathic and herbal formulae, even when prescribed by specialists. This, despite the medical aids being happy to pay for them and the MRA/MCC unwillingness to regulate or  engage with the complimentary  or traditional medicine industry.</p>
<p>There are many doctors now engaged in the &#8220;Wellness&#8221; craze sweeping the world, prescribing and dispensing CAM&#8217;s to grateful and happy patients.</p>
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