Comments on: Kiwi ‘racism’ doesn’t remind me of apartheid http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Richard http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-121345 Richard Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:22:59 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-121345 "immigrations official"? So A Dept of Labour Immigration Officer told you that?...perhaps I can refer readers to: http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/live/parent/ You can take the Saffa out of SA... "The family capped stream (which comprises parent, adult child and sibling residence cases) is currently allocated 4,950–5500 places per year. Demand for these places currently exceeds supply. " "With the exception of the Parent Retirement Category (see below), there is a current waiting time of 18–24 months for a place to become available within the cap. In practice this means that an application will usually take from 18-24 months from the time of lodgement to be allocated to a case officer for assessment." And for those retiring... "You must nominate funds and/or assets equivalent to at least NZ$1 million for investment funds, NZ$0.5 million for settlement funds, and be able to show an annual income of NZ$60,000 at the time of application. You will need to be able to provide evidence showing that your investment and settlement funds and/or assets are owned by you or jointly by you and your partner and/or dependent children." “immigrations official”? So A Dept of Labour Immigration Officer told you that?…perhaps I can refer readers to:
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/live/parent/

You can take the Saffa out of SA…

“The family capped stream (which comprises parent, adult child and sibling residence cases) is currently allocated 4,950–5500 places per year. Demand for these places currently exceeds supply. ”

“With the exception of the Parent Retirement Category (see below), there is a current waiting time of 18–24 months for a place to become available within the cap. In practice this means that an application will usually take from 18-24 months from the time of lodgement to be allocated to a case officer for assessment.”

And for those retiring…

“You must nominate funds and/or assets equivalent to at least NZ$1 million for investment funds, NZ$0.5 million for settlement funds, and be able to show an annual income of NZ$60,000 at the time of application. You will need to be able to provide evidence showing that your investment and settlement funds and/or assets are owned by you or jointly by you and your partner and/or dependent children.”

]]> By: Lekisha Sobin http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-120953 Lekisha Sobin Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:00:22 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-120953 We take the opportunity of this blog post to inform internet users about our effort to create a steady and fair environment for Facebook users. As you may already know Facebook Accounts are SUSPENDED with geometrical progress. We started a petition against this policy and we ask to unite your voice with ours to create the proper attention and rectify this issue with Facebook managers. Current editors at various newspapers want to see that there is a certain interest before they create articles to their websites and/or magazines. To all visitors and to blog owner we ask to support our petition here : http://FacebookDisabled.me (redirects to petitionspot) - Twitter : http://twitter.com/facebookpetitio . Thanks everyone for this time !! We take the opportunity of this blog post to inform internet users about our effort to create a steady and fair environment for Facebook users. As you may already know Facebook Accounts are SUSPENDED with geometrical progress. We started a petition against this policy and we ask to unite your voice with ours to create the proper attention and rectify this issue with Facebook managers. Current editors at various newspapers want to see that there is a certain interest before they create articles to their websites and/or magazines. To all visitors and to blog owner we ask to support our petition here : http://FacebookDisabled.me (redirects to petitionspot) – Twitter : http://twitter.com/facebookpetitio . Thanks everyone for this time !!

]]> By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-117328 Rod MacKenzie Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:59:56 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-117328 Hi Ian Shaw March 25 8.52 PM. Your anecdote is just so typical of what I experienced in my five years in China. I am being asked to do various radio and magazine interviews about my memoir Cracking China at present and one reviewer refuses to review Cracking China - because she feels I am "patronising and condescending towards the Chinese" And yes, Cracking China is vulnerable to that critique, but the anecdotes, like the one you mention are so true. Ian, I would like to actually quote your comment in my next radio interview if that is fine by you. The next one is with Karen Key on Radio SAfm Travel show, 31 March 11h00 SA time. If it is apt in the interview, I would like to read your comment - in other words, quoting someone other than myself. Thanks for your comment and all the others. Hi Ian Shaw March 25 8.52 PM. Your anecdote is just so typical of what I experienced in my five years in China. I am being asked to do various radio and magazine interviews about my memoir Cracking China at present and one reviewer refuses to review Cracking China – because she feels I am “patronising and condescending towards the Chinese” And yes, Cracking China is vulnerable to that critique, but the anecdotes, like the one you mention are so true.

Ian, I would like to actually quote your comment in my next radio interview if that is fine by you. The next one is with Karen Key on Radio SAfm Travel show, 31 March 11h00 SA time. If it is apt in the interview, I would like to read your comment – in other words, quoting someone other than myself.

Thanks for your comment and all the others.

]]> By: ian shaw http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-117269 ian shaw Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:52:03 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-117269 Yes, it is "culturalism". In China, privacy was historically an unknown concept. They were always overpopulated and most people lived in a one-room house where the entire family stayed together. I remember reading about one of the first tourists in mainland China, where people simply walked into his hotel room and a big crowd was looking in through the open door. The funny part - at least for us - was that he happened to be naked at the time and he was indicted by the authorities for indecent exposure (in his own hotel room!). What we call spying on one another was a normal activity even during the imperial periods of Chinese history, it is not a communist invention. It was aid that this was a safeguard for social stability, where conformity was always encouraged and enforced. I am, of course, not defending this or agreeing with it, but one must first study the cultural and social history of a country and especially of a completely different civilization like China, the oldest in the world, before passing a biased judgment. Yes, it is “culturalism”. In China, privacy was historically an unknown concept. They were always overpopulated and most people lived in a one-room house where the entire family stayed together. I remember reading about one of the first tourists in mainland China, where people simply walked into his hotel room and a big crowd was looking in through the open door. The funny part – at least for us – was that he happened to be naked at the time and he was indicted by the authorities for indecent exposure (in his own hotel room!). What we call spying on one another was a normal activity even during the imperial periods of Chinese history, it is not a communist invention. It was aid that this was a safeguard for social stability, where conformity was always encouraged and enforced. I am, of course, not defending this or agreeing with it, but one must first study the cultural and social history of a country and especially of a completely different civilization like China, the oldest in the world, before passing a biased judgment.

]]> By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-116801 Rod MacKenzie Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:44:11 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-116801 Kalamashaka - she was a Maori official going be her accent so duh. Kalamashaka – she was a Maori official going be her accent so duh.

]]> By: kalamashaka http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-116710 kalamashaka Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:36:10 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-116710 "The point is that the Kiwi authorities feel that the “Asian” culture is just far too different from the Western culture for people like the mainland Chinese to adapt to. I understand that, having experienced both cultures...." (As seen from the comments) Only a white person would think that this is OK. Flip it around and imagine someone like Mugabe saying this, would it still be "understandable"? “The point is that the Kiwi authorities feel that the “Asian” culture is just far too different from the Western culture for people like the mainland Chinese to adapt to. I understand that, having experienced both cultures….”

(As seen from the comments) Only a white person would think that this is OK. Flip it around and imagine someone like Mugabe saying this, would it still be “understandable”?

]]> By: Evan Dollar http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-116614 Evan Dollar Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:04:30 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-116614 Rod, I heard you on 702. Get in touch - Evan, Cory House, RU Rod, I heard you on 702. Get in touch – Evan, Cory House, RU

]]> By: MLH http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-116608 MLH Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:43:33 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-116608 One SA policewoman recently won her case in court, having been denied promotion because she is white. What's the difference? I don't see any problem with explaining to someone that things are easier for some than for others. It's a fact! The policies behind those facts are at issue, not what people say about them. We all know in SA that white people are unlikely to receive promotion or even jobs in certain organisations due to a clamour for BBEEE status. Isn't that more racist? One SA policewoman recently won her case in court, having been denied promotion because she is white.
What’s the difference?
I don’t see any problem with explaining to someone that things are easier for some than for others. It’s a fact!
The policies behind those facts are at issue, not what people say about them.
We all know in SA that white people are unlikely to receive promotion or even jobs in certain organisations due to a clamour for BBEEE status. Isn’t that more racist?

]]> By: Hugh Robinson http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-116572 Hugh Robinson Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:22:53 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-116572 @harris why do you not apply your mind the the JUb JUb issue? I am sure we would like to hear your take on the issue. @harris why do you not apply your mind the the JUb JUb issue? I am sure we would like to hear your take on the issue.

]]> By: Atlas Reader http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/comment-page-1/#comment-116569 Atlas Reader Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:59:01 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2010/03/18/kiwi-%e2%80%9cracism%e2%80%9d-doesn%e2%80%99t-remind-me-of-apartheid/#comment-116569 Just wait and see how you confuse the local constabulary when you walk in with your wad of South African passport renewal forms and ASK to be finger-printed! Yes, SA passport protocols ridiculously insist on having a full set of prints. In NZ, the cops are accustomed to fingerprinting only surly, snarling crime suspects -- against their will. To have someone just walk in off the street and ask to be fingerprinted is a jaw-dropping work story for a Kiwi cop. Just wait and see how you confuse the local constabulary when you walk in with your wad of South African passport renewal forms and ASK to be finger-printed! Yes, SA passport protocols ridiculously insist on having a full set of prints.

In NZ, the cops are accustomed to fingerprinting only surly, snarling crime suspects — against their will. To have someone just walk in off the street and ask to be fingerprinted is a jaw-dropping work story for a Kiwi cop.

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