Before getting into this blog, it would be appreciated if any reader can give me a practical answer or solution to the question posed in my blog title above and a quick solution (less than six months processing) for the unabridged South African birth certificate. Seriously. Including a Zimbabwean unabridged birth certificate.
Dictionaries define “country” as a nation or a state, which in turn is defined as “a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own”.
Unity: the people of Zimbabwe do not have a common unity. Many risk their lives swimming through rivers teeming with crocodiles to escape into neighbouring countries.
Government, as a verb, one dictionary entry defines as “the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc … ” The word order is strongly suggested by terms such as “direction and control”, “direction of the affairs of a state”. There is little or no order left in Zimbabwe.
So it is not too difficult to hypothesise that “areas” or disaster zones like Zimbabwe are not countries, but just demarcated “areas” that too many people would rather forget about.
I had the best holidays of my life in Zim; Lake Kariba in 1992 being the most wonderful. We lived on a houseboat for a week, did tiger fishing which is a fantastic sport as they fight like tigers when hooked, we ate like horses and drank piles of beer. It was October, very hot, and difficult to get more than tipsy in the heat. The bar opened at about 6am and never seemed to close. Is Zambezi beer still available? It was a great bottled beer. The rich wildlife at night on the Kariba shore had to be the same as it was thousands of years ago (other than the artificial lake).
As a child my folks took me to “Rhodesia” and we stayed at the magnificent Wankie Game Reserve, disappeared for weeks into the spectacular Chimanimani Mountains, and, with what has now a certain prophetic ring to it, visited Zimbabwe Ruins. The people were wonderful and back then in the seventies, “Rhodesians” were great, down to earth people.
Sure, even in 1992, when I last went to Zim, as we crossed the border at Beitbridge, the poverty and drop in standards was immediately apparent. The roads were poorly maintained. Woolworths was like a semi-abandoned fruit and veg shop, flies everywhere, the furthest possible cry from Woolies in Joburg, whose smartness and high standards I was especially proud of as a Saffer. But what a lovely country Zim was. Was.
And now we can’t even seem to get a birth certificate out of Zim for my wife, Marion AKA the Chook, for emigration purposes to New Zealand. She was born in Umtale, spent much of a rich, sunlit childhood in Bulawayo and regales me with stories of giraffes sticking their heads into hotel windows, baby crocodiles in her inebriated aunt’s bath and her father, who, whilst in Botswana several decades ago, told Prince Philip, the Queen of England’s hubby, to fuck off. During his royal visit, like many British royalty, the Prince stopped to speak to the rabble. Marion’s father asked him when he was going to visit Rhodesia (he was just on business in Botswana). The Prince said only when Unilaterally Declared Independence had come to an end. At this point, in full hearing of many, Marion’s father, the saintly Reginald Thomas Green, famously told the royal personage to take a vigorous sexual hike and stalked off. (I would have loved to have met Marion’s artistic, temperamental, devil-may-care father. She paints a brilliant picture of him and he will find his way into my next memoir, a sequel of sorts to Cracking China, due out early next year. But I digress.)
Marion had an unabridged Zim birth certificate. A relative lost it or misplaced it in England. How does one go about misfiling such a valuable document? Does one do a few “dry runs” in attempting to lose it first before doing the final, breathtaking David Copperfield finale?
There is no Zimbabwean embassy in Shanghai. The telephone numbers for the one in Beijing just ring and ring. We get no responses to emails. Marion’s family in New Zealand have even tried approaching Zim embassies in other countries. I have tried googling for attorneys’ firms in Harare who deal with this type of thing, but so far have come up with zilch. Thankfully we have friends trying to help us in South Africa. The Zimbabwean embassy in Joburg no longer processes this type of document, we are reliably told. (So … what do embassies like this do in other countries, hmm?) Marion has a British passport and we tried to apply for a British version of the unabridged birth certificate but the British Government Certificate Services informed us that “We do not hold records for Births in Rhodesia / Zimbabwe. It is suggested that you contact the Foreign Embassy of the country concerned” and subsequently refunded us the fee which was initially accepted by their system.
In a previous blog about this kind of wild-goose-chase bureaucracy, Charlene Smith asked me not to use excruciating South Africanisms like “ja well no fine” (deliberately used to mirror the excruciating predicament) and I certainly am not going to as the situation described above is now beyond even a mild jokiness of style intended to mock the excruciating.
The point is this. Why should it be so difficult to get such a valuable but simple document? The worrying thing is that South Africa seems to be developing a similar trend. A South African friend of mine currently living in Australia applied for a new ID book in 2004 when he was living in South Africa. He is still waiting with “bated breath”, as he puts it. It took him six months just to get his SA passport renewed. That is unbelievably inconvenient especially if you are a businessman or need to renew a work permit. I am still waiting nearly five months for my renewed SA passport, which I wrote about in a previous blog, instead of two weeks or so, as was the case before. Oh, by the way, the documentation was subsequently found, according to this email I received the other day from the SA Consulate here in Shanghai in such cute English:“Dear Mr. MacKenzie,I was just going to write you to tell you that you may not come to our mission for your 2nd application for passport. The system today shows that your application is “received and being processed” which implies they have finally found this batch!” Hallelujah. Sort of. No, really, I am grateful. There is some light.
It is “little” drops like these in standards in SA that speak volumes about SA’s future. Take this anecdote: When renewing my passport in South Africa, in about 1997, companies specialised in doing this for you. For an extra hundred bucks or so they would come to your home, photograph you, have all the forms ready for you to fill in and sign and they would queue for you and personally deliver the processed passport to your door. And it was a matter of two weeks or less because they specialised in getting documents. The man (a white) came back very glumly with my passport renewed for the next ten years and said the government was closing their business down. “Why?” I asked incredulously. He shrugged his shoulders. “Bureaucratic reasons. People must renew their documents themselves.”
He was despondent because of course that job was his livelihood which he shared with a few other partners. Affirmative action was very much in place then in 1997, and he — like me, who also had to resort to running my own business — had been enterprising enough to find a need in the market place and fill it very professionally, I thought. His was a great little biz and I was happy to part with the hundred or so rands to save me the bother.
Are there companies like this out there again in South Africa? If there are, I would appreciate any reader passing on the details. I remember one that was called “Queue for You” or something to that effect. The reason why I ask this is that I can apply for my unabridged birth certificate at the SA Consulate in Shanghai for purposes to emigrate to New Zealand. But I have been warned it will take at least six months (apparently because so many South Africans are applying for the unabridged certificates, which speaks worlds about the ongoing skills drain from South Africa). I felt discouraged from applying. Especially since I was told it would take about three months to process my new SA passport, and so far it has taken nearly five months and I have received nothing to date. So the six months sounds like maybe it will take a year or the documentation will get lost, like my SA passport application. Of course I politely send an email query to the SA Consulate here in Shanghai from time to time, and so far I have a conversation of thirty-seven emails between me and them with regard to applying for a new passport and now enquiring about applying for the birth certificate.
Don’t get me wrong; I am grateful there are still ways of getting these documents. In closing, there is apparently now a strong possibility that New Zealand may even waive Marion’s requirement to produce her unabridged birth certificate because of the sorry state of affairs that Zimbabwe is in. It has come to that pass. Any bets that, in the not-too-distant future, these countries may also be waiving the necessity to provide an SA unabridged certificate?
And I hate saying negative things about the future.
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37 Responses to “How do you extract a birth certificate from an extinct country (Zim)?”
The serious answer to this is to pay someone who knows someone who is friends with someone else.
Whereapon the piece of paper that no-one can find will be handed to you via the backdoor, possibly your own backdoor.
That’s how my wife usually manages it.
You need to find a corrupt lawyer in Zim you trust to handle the bribes for you.
Or be prepared to wait a very long time for the honest version.
unless new zealand waives for her [and, frankly, being a white zimbabwean, they probably will], she’s going to have to physically go back to zimbabwe to get it. seriously.
“…so far it has taken nearly five months and I have received nothing to date. ”
Rod, I’m not sure if you heard of the recent spate of tokoloshe sightings in our Home Affairs. It seems like these spirits have a habit of snarling up some of these applications - think of it kinda like a paper jam in a printer. You may want to seriously consider starting afresh with a brand new application and a more recent picture rather than the one you have on your profile!
For unabridged SA cert, your best bet is to complete the relevant form and deliver them to an SA person who should use the Randburg DHA if possible.
I applied for unabridged (computerised) birth certificates (SA) for 3 kids, after 12 weeks I called the call centre number to complain that I had not received them, they called me back within 24 hours requesting further documentation as they apparently cannot trace them, within 3 days of completing the documents I have the certificates of two of the kids at any rate, I am expecting the 3rd any day now.
SA ID documents took a couple of weeks, and SA passports also a couple of weeks with fantastic service from Department of Home Affairs Randburg.
Irish passport on the other hand has taken 5 months and still no sign of it.
In short, I don’t know. Although pertinently, this very day, the father of my children went to Barrack Street to get an unabridged birth certificate of the youngest as it was lost in a move. Some countries like to see proof of parentage and all when you visit them, particularly when travelling with only one parent; the passport doesn’t help. So to have our ducks in a row it seemed sensible to get the lost replaced.
He got the form, paid the money and upon handing it in was told that he had to fill in a form called ‘late registration of birth’. Now the child has been registered for a lot of years. A lot. She has a duplicate abridged birth certificate issued by this very office last year to replace the twin which was lost at the same time as the unabridged.
Now bear in mind that this is only secondhand but upon querying this, the apparent answer was that ‘Pretoria just fill in what’s on the form, they don’t have everything on record’. That just can’t be true, I don’t believe it for a minute. So it went in without the late registration form (since I fear the child will end up with either two different ID numbers or find herself late or something). It apparently takes three months plus to process (but only if you class it as late registration, otherwise we were warned it won’t be done at all)…
Applied for vault copies of birth certs for kids, 3 passports and marriage. Within 6 weeks got 3 passports, 1 vault birth and 1 unabridged birth. Phoned the help line and received helpful and acceptable response. Not all doom and gloom.
Its easy to get a Zimbabwe birth certificate. Go to the South African Home Affairs and you can buy birth certificates, marriage certificates, death certificates, passports and almost any document you need. Money is the only criteria. Offer Mugabe a big enough bribe and you will get a ‘genuine’ one. Perhaps Shabier Shaik can help??
When one’s done reading about your pathetic whining one sees the not so cleverly disguised racist rant about how ‘the blacks have fucked once great Rhodesia and are about to screw South Africa’.The kind of bile that passes for conversation amongst unconstructed Rhodies and their ‘Saffer’ ilk.Pining for Rhodesia and UDI or Umtale wont change the dynamics BOSS,so live with it.Let New Zealand waive your dear Marion’s requirement to produce her unabridged birth cerificate and leave us be..And to use your phrase,your kind can take a vigorous sexual hike !
I have some powdered snake oil which you could mail to Zim Home Affairs. Upon arrival it will miraculously kill all tokeloshes dead. Next it will seek out the relevant official upon who’s desk sits your well buried application, and entice him/her to personally deliver your wifes’ doc to your door - GUARANTEED!!
Special price for you boss!! - one week only!! - only ten clips, final offer…..
Hey, these are special, rare snakes boss….
Actually why does she not just apply for refugee status?
You just have to go back to Zim to get your birth-certificate, and wait in a queue like many other black Zimbabweans. If you are an arrogant White man, that is the exact result you get. By the way Zim is still functioning and our economy is set to grow by 4.7% this year. That certainly means that something is taking direction. What you wrote is an attack on my dignity as a Zimbabwean. There are many people who leave Mexico going to the USA to get a better livelihood, but that does not mean Mexico is extinct. Zimbabwe is a country which is just going through a dark period, but we dont need a White political messiah.
Rod, i never thought i would say this, but i just applied for my unabridged birth certificate @ home affairs Edenvale, and to my surprise, got it in 9 days. I found the service has been jacked up and was quite impressed for a change.
Mazibuko, Matheza etc. resort to personal attacks to divert attention from the facts. They imply that whites cannot complain, only whinge, that to whites a simple passport renewal is a privilege that they do not deserve. So who is the racist?
@Rod - good luck and I hope it does not take an actual visit to Zim and a handful of American dollars.
@Fredrick Matsheza - Why cannot anyone regardless of race deal with bureaucracy from abroad as is normal in this day and age? And for Rod to admit he was happy as a child says nothing about colonial nostalgia. And as for Zim’s economy growing by 4.7% that is great to hear but considering the 1000% drop as of late it is still a long wya to go.
If it makes you feel any better: I was registered as SA at birth, at SA House in London by a homesick father. When it came to getting an SA ID card, all hell broke loose. That was in 1967. Very PC, not racist, please note!
I had just as much trouble getting my son ID in 2006, from Home Affairs in Durban. The only difference there, was that the people I dealt with were not just stupid, they were maliciously stupid. The paperwork was repeatedly lost and no one bothered ever to look for it. In the end I wrote a rude letter to what must have been the last Afrikaans white woman left at Home Affairs in Pretoria and told her I didn’t blame the man who held someone hostage with a toy gun — the whole of SA was rooting for him! I got my son’s ID by return of ‘bag’.
I wouldn’t be surprised if, one day, my son turns up married off to a Moslem businessman or with a degree from the University of the North and debt five miles long, he has not incurred !
That’s life! That’s SA! And Zim is probably no better!
Welcome to Africa! as your ventilating exercise shows, you are not knowledgable on African bureaucy intrecacies.Particularly alive and well in countries where civil unrests or wars are/have impacting on every one’s life and on the public service structure. Did you realy think that after the exodus of people during the famine would have left the public service intact? To a certain point I even find your blog entry annoying. It shows how ignorant neighbouring countries population try to forget about the miseries of their neighbours. Not to forget that Zimbabwe as Botswana supply a good chung of the food you eat every day. Now, realizing that could you plan for another option than crying loud for something that you will not obtain, at least in the short term? Hey you have a wife? you don`t show your capacity to take real good care of her, in good times as in bad ones.
I went through the same process 2 years ago and got my b.c. without too much hassle. If your wife knows anybody in Harare, she can ask them to go and collect it for her. They will need an authorising letter, and ideally a copy of some other form of Zim identity document. Phone the Zim consulate in Joburg and follow their instructions.
But your invective is stereotypical and boring. Honestly, I’m sick and tired of hearing the same sh*t from the same types of people. I’m white, I’m a Zimbabwean (and yes, my country of birth and upbringing no longer recognizes me as a citizen). I know people who were killed in the first farm invasions. And you know what? Life goes on. Go and work to start another life, appreciate what you have, and stop bitching about the past - it’s helluva boring.
Hi Rod
I know that Q 4 U still exists - and they still do a great job.
Good luck - otherwise, it will require a visit to Zim, seriously.
@Njabulo Mazibuko. I’m so sorry you live with such bitterness - I hope the acidity doesn’t shorten your life. Self-inflicted you understand. Grow up for goodness sake
You miss the point Mr Shaw,sir.Read the blog again and you come across gems like;’As a child my folks took me to “Rhodesia”;The people were wonderful and back then in the seventies,“Rhodesians” were great,down to earth people.The subtext;’wonderful until the eighties and majority rule and the demise of UDI that he fondly remembers his father in law about, and wants to romanticise in his next memoir.Who were the great “Rhodesians” ? The ones denied a vote and forbiden to walk on pavements or the ones lording over the majority?
If someone is nostalgic about Rhodesia and UDI and is condescending when talking to or about the new Zimbabwe, do those who point this out become racist?When my country man Matheza talks about Mexicans going to the USA and asking if that makes Mexico extinct, does he become racist?
Rod, I think you should stick to jokes, not serious matters such as this. Some of us who live in Zimb know that, if you know your Birth Entry number, you can get copy of your Birth Certificate in no more than 5 days. Of course you will have to join a queue, like eveyone else. In Zimbabwe, no child goes to nursery without a Birth Certificate. I do understand you, though, since you say you last came to Zimbabwe in 1992. I guess your knowledge of contemporary Zimbabwe is based on information surfed from the internet, and from people who can see and hear nothing positive about Zimbabwe. Just for the record, Zimbabwe is not, and will never be extinct as you postulate.
Just for the fun of it, please let me have your Birth Entry number, and I can get a copy of your wife’s Birth Certificate in no time, wtihout paying anyone. Just so you know, corruption at Zim Home Affairs is nothing compared to what happens in SA, where one can “buy” virtually any document. The corruption that is there, is normally by officers who simply want to make a quick buck by getting you to jump the queue.
“How do you extract a birth certificate from an extinct country (Zim)?”
Find somewhere a document accepted as such and with a scanner, some editing software and some creativity, one can produce any of those within a day especially when it is a one pager. Get a copy verified at your local police station and on your horse you are.
Part one:
Hi D Mudiwa - I hope you are still on this thread!!
I have subsequently discovered my wife just needs her birth certificate number. I would happily give you my wife’s birth certificate number but she does not know it. I really appreciate your willingness to help. I believe there is a fee for a year by year search, but of ocurse we know Marion’s birth year, which is 55. I am actually really hoping you can help! I will find a way of getting to you my email address which I dont want to make public for obvious reason - look at some comments.
As for the rest, of course I am not a racist. I deliberately referred to “Rhodesia” in inverted commas because that is what the country was called then. As Michael Francis said, it is the inefficient bueracracy, which certain insecure commentators then say is me being racist. Ridiculous. I have Zimbabwean friends here in China (”black” incidentally, and they share similar sentiments on th inefficiency and also the corruption. So are they being racist now? Grow up kiddies.)
Michael Francis got in before me with regard to a 4.7% economic rise in Zim as being insignificant compared to the recent 1000% drop. Be real, dont get into denial, guys.
My cousins in Durban quickly found a privater company and even though it is xmas I will have my unabridged birth certificate by end of of January. (To be continued)
I will have my unabridged by end of January ready at the latest, and given we are hitting christmas, that is pretty good.
I didnt word things as well as I would have liked to in my comment above. But in terms of criticism we are back to the same sad old cliche. If I criticise Zim or the SA govt, I am a racist. Hogwash.It is just obscuring the real issues. Like Chuen and Malema calling the IOC et al racist over the Semenya issue when Chuene was lying and covering up and shattered that poor woman’s career.
In term sof Zim and SA I wish the best for both countries. I dont want to be negative. But when you read what you read and experienc ewhat you experience you call a spade a spade if you are being honest.
I wish the very best for my Zim friends here in Shanghai. I admire their courage and their Christian faith (all I have met so far are reverentially Christian). The one lady, named Gift, sat down and studied Mandarin non stop for a full year and went from no knowledge to fluency! In one year! She is no doing an MBA IN MANDARIN!!!!!!! That is amazing.
Now I suppose someone out there will say I am being condescending by complimenting Gift and being amazed by her. People like that just creat no win situations whereas anyone with some real maturity wants win-win situations.
I hope you have a simlar rant for the family of the guy who committed suicide because the Home Affairs oaficials refused to provide the documentation (was it you?). Wake up bru, it’s not about black or white, it’s about useless and corrupt versus public service and doing the job. For everyone.
you’re missing the point. most countries you don’t need to physically go all the way back to get a birth certificate; you can just order one at the embassy, provided that you have other proof of citizenship.
[the united states is an exception to this, since birth certificates are issued at the local level, not the state or national one.]
*that* was his point, really. so willing to cry racism but it’s clear that you haven’t a) traveled enough or b) met enough people from different countries to realise that for many nationalities you can just rock up at the embassy and get a new birth cert.
eish.
[the very reason that i actually have a copy of my birth certificate in day planner is because i have zero desire to return to the jurisdiction of my birth to get one. none.]
(the last time i was in my jurisdiction of birth, during business hours, was in august 1996; that was when i a) renewed my driver’s license in that jurisdiction for the last time and b) picked up said copy of my birth certificate.)
Thanks Benzol - as far as i am concerned that is doable. One small factual snag - the New Zealand government will NOT accept any documents certified by the Chinese police… which speaks volumes!! Of course I could probably approach various consulates, law firms etc for the certification. Nice to hear your words instead of the blokes who call me a racist for making a few factual observations about Zimbabwe and SA in this blog and a previous one on SA passports. Good grief… the denial!
(Oh by mentioning the FACT that NZ immigration wont accept certified documents from the Chinese police… am I now a racist towards the Chinese? Some clowns out there simply have problems with accepting honesty and facts.)
Hi Robert Laird, yes you are correct, my missus was married to John Young, now she belongs to me, and her father ’s name was Reginald Thomas Green , please contact Marion asap on marion.young1@gmail.com, she wants to hear from you
To all - got an email the other day from the SA consulate that my SA passport has arrived at the consulate in Shanghai… a few days short of six months after applying.
If I had not written Reginald Thomas Green in this blog, Marion’s (my missus) would not have linked up again with her half-uncle, Robert Laird, decades after being separated… more power to Google…
Oh by the way I got my UNabridged birth certificate in three weeks flat, which was applied for on about December 14th last year. This was done via a private company in Durban called Bunnyhop… and that was done over the festive season when most businesses slow down or stop altogether!
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The serious answer to this is to pay someone who knows someone who is friends with someone else.
Whereapon the piece of paper that no-one can find will be handed to you via the backdoor, possibly your own backdoor.
That’s how my wife usually manages it.
You need to find a corrupt lawyer in Zim you trust to handle the bribes for you.
Or be prepared to wait a very long time for the honest version.
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