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		<title>By: Rod MacKenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod MacKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White refugee - if you are speaking to me, I did NOT &quot;begrudge&quot; Huntley, in fact the blog I wrote about him some time back &quot;Sour grapes: would ALL the Brandon Huntleys stand up&quot; was more in support of him than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White refugee &#8211; if you are speaking to me, I did NOT &#8220;begrudge&#8221; Huntley, in fact the blog I wrote about him some time back &#8220;Sour grapes: would ALL the Brandon Huntleys stand up&#8221; was more in support of him than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: ian shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they say that anyone who criticizes this sorry public service is a racist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they say that anyone who criticizes this sorry public service is a racist!</p>
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		<title>By: Billy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter; While dual nationalityis officially condoned, Dept Home Affairs staff riually confiscate any foreign passport presented by a Saffer national. So beware! 

When I flew all over SE Asia recently, it was all on my Irish passport. The SA Home Affairs person didn&#039;t even query why there were only two stamps in my RSA passport - out at ORTambo and in at Durban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter; While dual nationalityis officially condoned, Dept Home Affairs staff riually confiscate any foreign passport presented by a Saffer national. So beware! </p>
<p>When I flew all over SE Asia recently, it was all on my Irish passport. The SA Home Affairs person didn&#8217;t even query why there were only two stamps in my RSA passport &#8211; out at ORTambo and in at Durban</p>
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		<title>By: clarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Moscow with both of my passports soon to expire and I had a month in which to renew my work permit, so I contacted both embassies. SA told me 3-6 months, $20, UK 1 week, $200 or so. It didn&#039;t occur to me that the SA embassy might use a donkey cart to transport passport applications, I presumed they sent them by freighter - to Cape Town via the Arctic circle takes about a month each way, I believe.

A year or so later I still hadn&#039;t got around to renewing my less useful passport. I approached passport control at OR Tambo with some trepidation (but reasoning that I should be OK since I had one valid passport with the appropriate visa for my destination) and sure enough was taken aside to a little room full of about 30 miscreants like myself where two officials were taking turns to capture everyone&#039;s passport details onto one computer using two fingers each. I came very close to offering to type in my own details. In the end I was let off with an &#039;endorsement&#039; in my expired passport and a stern warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Moscow with both of my passports soon to expire and I had a month in which to renew my work permit, so I contacted both embassies. SA told me 3-6 months, $20, UK 1 week, $200 or so. It didn&#8217;t occur to me that the SA embassy might use a donkey cart to transport passport applications, I presumed they sent them by freighter &#8211; to Cape Town via the Arctic circle takes about a month each way, I believe.</p>
<p>A year or so later I still hadn&#8217;t got around to renewing my less useful passport. I approached passport control at OR Tambo with some trepidation (but reasoning that I should be OK since I had one valid passport with the appropriate visa for my destination) and sure enough was taken aside to a little room full of about 30 miscreants like myself where two officials were taking turns to capture everyone&#8217;s passport details onto one computer using two fingers each. I came very close to offering to type in my own details. In the end I was let off with an &#8216;endorsement&#8217; in my expired passport and a stern warning.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was recently invited to join my diasporic daughters for a portion of their SE Asia flash packing expedition. 

I was advised to check in and out of ORTambo with a RSA passport and then use the Irish passport for its ease of access and first world acceptability elsewhere. On finding, to my horror, that my RSA passport had lapsed, I rushed down to the Piemburg Department of Home Affairs with requisite filled in forms for a speedy renewal

&quot;Sorry baba, we have just changed all the rules for renewal. You have to get a thumbprint verified by Pretoria HQ and only then will your passport be procesed&quot;  

This doen&#039;t sound like a train wreck....&quot;How long does this take&quot;, I enquired tremulously 

&quot;Haw baba! If your thumbprint isn&#039;t on file, it could take 5-6 weeks&quot; - long after my intended departure date. &quot;Another problem is; everything has to be sent by our new camera to Pretoria, but it is stolen&quot;. 

This PC suite was mounted at the entrance to the Passport Aplications public area. One tripped over it on the way in. (presumably to show off).  But the camera - installed on Thursday has been stolen by Tuesday, so no applications could be processed at this time.

My courier company again came to my rescue and after a traumatic hour at Umgeni Rd Dept Home Affairs, wheels were set in motion to secure a passport and see me on my way to visit my babies in Asia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently invited to join my diasporic daughters for a portion of their SE Asia flash packing expedition. </p>
<p>I was advised to check in and out of ORTambo with a RSA passport and then use the Irish passport for its ease of access and first world acceptability elsewhere. On finding, to my horror, that my RSA passport had lapsed, I rushed down to the Piemburg Department of Home Affairs with requisite filled in forms for a speedy renewal</p>
<p>&#8220;Sorry baba, we have just changed all the rules for renewal. You have to get a thumbprint verified by Pretoria HQ and only then will your passport be procesed&#8221;  </p>
<p>This doen&#8217;t sound like a train wreck&#8230;.&#8221;How long does this take&#8221;, I enquired tremulously </p>
<p>&#8220;Haw baba! If your thumbprint isn&#8217;t on file, it could take 5-6 weeks&#8221; &#8211; long after my intended departure date. &#8220;Another problem is; everything has to be sent by our new camera to Pretoria, but it is stolen&#8221;. </p>
<p>This PC suite was mounted at the entrance to the Passport Aplications public area. One tripped over it on the way in. (presumably to show off).  But the camera &#8211; installed on Thursday has been stolen by Tuesday, so no applications could be processed at this time.</p>
<p>My courier company again came to my rescue and after a traumatic hour at Umgeni Rd Dept Home Affairs, wheels were set in motion to secure a passport and see me on my way to visit my babies in Asia</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@islander: huh? i don&#039;t think that&#039;s correct anymore. There was some confusion till about 2003, since then, I never had a problem with two passports, either here or in Europe.
Anyway, SA benefits hands down with me having two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@islander: huh? i don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s correct anymore. There was some confusion till about 2003, since then, I never had a problem with two passports, either here or in Europe.<br />
Anyway, SA benefits hands down with me having two.</p>
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		<title>By: aasvoel</title>
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		<dc:creator>aasvoel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had exasperating issues with the South African Consulate here in London. My South African passport had expired and I was unaware that I needed it if I wanted to travel to SA so I applied for an emergency one a few weeks before my flight to SA. The staff at the consulate were surly and rather unhelpful. They promised me a temporary passport in 14 working days and when the time was up, no one could give me any idea over the phone as to the status of my application. When I phoned once, an officious woman even said &#039;listen lady, I don&#039;t have time to talk to you&#039; huh?? I finally got my temp passport the day before my flight. I then got harrased by border patrol staff in CT before my return flight to London because they said I couldn&#039;t travel on a temp SA passport (which you can if you have dual nationality). The man even threatened to tear up my British passport when I showed it to him! such professional behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had exasperating issues with the South African Consulate here in London. My South African passport had expired and I was unaware that I needed it if I wanted to travel to SA so I applied for an emergency one a few weeks before my flight to SA. The staff at the consulate were surly and rather unhelpful. They promised me a temporary passport in 14 working days and when the time was up, no one could give me any idea over the phone as to the status of my application. When I phoned once, an officious woman even said &#8216;listen lady, I don&#8217;t have time to talk to you&#8217; huh?? I finally got my temp passport the day before my flight. I then got harrased by border patrol staff in CT before my return flight to London because they said I couldn&#8217;t travel on a temp SA passport (which you can if you have dual nationality). The man even threatened to tear up my British passport when I showed it to him! such professional behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyC</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Irish are not altogether first world.

After decades of prevarication, I decided to exercise my rights as an Irish citizen, by reason of my father&#039;s birth. Being a &quot;slim maar snoep Saffer&quot;, I read the Instructions on the Irish Consulate Website carefully, gathered all my documents, filled in requisite forms and made a pigrimage from KZN to Pretoria Irish Consulate. 

To my absolute horror, behind the counter stood an incredibly grumpy looking head hunted cadre from the RSA Dept of Home Affairs. She distainfully sifted through my laboriously accumulated documentation and arogantly threw them back at me muttering about &quot;incomplete/wrong documents, some of which badly needed to be laminated, as they resemble the dead sea scrolls&quot; 

This further galvanised me to get some emergency exit papers from this hell on earth. So I engaged thew services of a very expensive but efficient emmigration courier company. 

Six months later, many Rands spent and my passport arrived with a terse note enclosed (probably from the same woman who had rejected my application) &quot;In future we will not accept any documents that have been laminated. I have made a rare and generous exception after suplications from your emigration agents&quot; 

I didn&#039;t know whether to laugh or cry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Irish are not altogether first world.</p>
<p>After decades of prevarication, I decided to exercise my rights as an Irish citizen, by reason of my father&#8217;s birth. Being a &#8220;slim maar snoep Saffer&#8221;, I read the Instructions on the Irish Consulate Website carefully, gathered all my documents, filled in requisite forms and made a pigrimage from KZN to Pretoria Irish Consulate. </p>
<p>To my absolute horror, behind the counter stood an incredibly grumpy looking head hunted cadre from the RSA Dept of Home Affairs. She distainfully sifted through my laboriously accumulated documentation and arogantly threw them back at me muttering about &#8220;incomplete/wrong documents, some of which badly needed to be laminated, as they resemble the dead sea scrolls&#8221; </p>
<p>This further galvanised me to get some emergency exit papers from this hell on earth. So I engaged thew services of a very expensive but efficient emmigration courier company. </p>
<p>Six months later, many Rands spent and my passport arrived with a terse note enclosed (probably from the same woman who had rejected my application) &#8220;In future we will not accept any documents that have been laminated. I have made a rare and generous exception after suplications from your emigration agents&#8221; </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know whether to laugh or cry</p>
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		<title>By: White Refugee</title>
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		<dc:creator>White Refugee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, why do you begrudge Huntley so? 

Do you think he would have applied for refugee status, if he had the benefit of an Irish passport? 

Imagine you did not have that Irish passport -- what would you be saying then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why do you begrudge Huntley so? </p>
<p>Do you think he would have applied for refugee status, if he had the benefit of an Irish passport? </p>
<p>Imagine you did not have that Irish passport &#8212; what would you be saying then?</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>have had 2 dealings with the SA consulate in Hong Kong. 
1: Passport renewal - took in everything required, they said 3 months, came in slightly early. Helpful and friendly
2: Find out details of Apostilles and birth registration etc, how to expedite etc - what they didn&#039;t know straight away they promised to find out and phone back, which they did within half an hour. Helpful and friendly once again..
luck of draw maybe, but no faults with them..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have had 2 dealings with the SA consulate in Hong Kong.<br />
1: Passport renewal &#8211; took in everything required, they said 3 months, came in slightly early. Helpful and friendly<br />
2: Find out details of Apostilles and birth registration etc, how to expedite etc &#8211; what they didn&#8217;t know straight away they promised to find out and phone back, which they did within half an hour. Helpful and friendly once again..<br />
luck of draw maybe, but no faults with them..</p>
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