Comments on: Jokes put the ridiculous side of religion(s) into perspective http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-101155 Rod MacKenzie Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:37:10 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-101155 Hi Paul - sure pax and all that but why are you assuming I beleive there is such a thing as The Truth? When did I say that? I dont really. As quantum physicists will point out it depends on HOW you are looking at reality - it can be a wave or it can be a particle, the atom you are looking at. I dislike or at least distrust organised religions, especially the lunatic fringe of the Christian happy clappy charismatics, especially greaseballs like Ray McCauley who just manipulate people out of their money. I disagree with Bertrand Russel though - there is plenty of evidence for the sacred and the divine in every moment. What is lacking is us is awareness of it. Meditation and the like opens that awareness, says he who has not actively meditated in a while. Smileys? A : plus a ) together gets you a :) hopefully. Hi Paul – sure pax and all that but why are you assuming I beleive there is such a thing as The Truth? When did I say that? I dont really. As quantum physicists will point out it depends on HOW you are looking at reality – it can be a wave or it can be a particle, the atom you are looking at.

I dislike or at least distrust organised religions, especially the lunatic fringe of the Christian happy clappy charismatics, especially greaseballs like Ray McCauley who just manipulate people out of their money.
I disagree with Bertrand Russel though – there is plenty of evidence for the sacred and the divine in every moment. What is lacking is us is awareness of it. Meditation and the like opens that awareness, says he who has not actively meditated in a while.

Smileys? A : plus a ) together gets you a :) hopefully.

]]> By: Paul Whelan http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-100942 Paul Whelan Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:33:09 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-100942 Rod OK then, heard you, evens and pax! - you're obviously not such a bad chap (don't know how to insert a smiley.) The likely difference between you and me is that I don't believe there is such a thing as Truth and even if there is, it cannot be accessible by any human procedure and certainly is not in the possession of any human being. As for god being Truth (most folk's substitute for thinking about it), you know what Betrand Russell replied when he was asked what he'd say if after he died and he found there was a god after all: 'My lord, you should have given us more evidence.' Rod

OK then, heard you, evens and pax! – you’re obviously not such a bad chap (don’t know how to insert a smiley.)

The likely difference between you and me is that I don’t believe there is such a thing as Truth and even if there is, it cannot be accessible by any human procedure and certainly is not in the possession of any human being.

As for god being Truth (most folk’s substitute for thinking about it), you know what Betrand Russell replied when he was asked what he’d say if after he died and he found there was a god after all: ‘My lord, you should have given us more evidence.’

]]> By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-99975 Rod MacKenzie Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:48:49 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-99975 Paul Whelan - I dont know what the heck happened to my reply to you but I noticed it hs been existentially defined by its nothingness ;) it disappeared somehow. Yes, I do think one should have read a fair amont of Nietzsche before making comments. It is called responsible literacy. Yes, I don think one should have at least read with an open mind Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now, attend some meditation retreats before opining. It is a bit like a person explaining what the ocean is when you havent seen an ocean, never mind swam in one - to use an old analogy. Finish and klaar. Paul Whelan – I dont know what the heck happened to my reply to you but I noticed it hs been existentially defined by its nothingness ;) it disappeared somehow. Yes, I do think one should have read a fair amont of Nietzsche before making comments. It is called responsible literacy. Yes, I don think one should have at least read with an open mind Eckhart Tolle’s The Power of Now, attend some meditation retreats before opining.

It is a bit like a person explaining what the ocean is when you havent seen an ocean, never mind swam in one – to use an old analogy.

Finish and klaar.

]]> By: Martin http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-99790 Martin Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:25:54 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-99790 I like your lighthearted style Rod. To those whom the shoe fits - --- ?? If your perspective of reality as manifested on a daily basis in your interactions with others is hostile, aggressive and selfish, whether you are a theist or an atheist, your mindset is not an improvement over what we already find dominant. Fanaticism and extremism in any ideology is not the answer. D.M. Murdock I like your lighthearted style Rod. To those whom the shoe fits – — ??

If your perspective of reality as manifested on a daily basis in your interactions with others is hostile, aggressive and selfish, whether you are a theist or an atheist, your mindset is not an improvement over what we already find dominant. Fanaticism and extremism in any ideology is not the answer. D.M. Murdock

]]> By: Paul Whelan http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-98422 Paul Whelan Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:28:51 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-98422 Rod Am I getting this right? You are permitted to quote Eckhart Tolle to your readership and no reader is allowed to comment on that quote and its plain meaning unless he has read Tolle's entire works? If a reader departs from this regulation, he is suffering from Julius Malema syndrome. OK. Now: "You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist." Are you expecting me to say that you have no right to comment on that quotation without having read the entire works of Nietzsche? http://richmarksentinel.com/rs_articles.asp?catid=2&recid=747 Rod

Am I getting this right?

You are permitted to quote Eckhart Tolle to your readership and no reader is allowed to comment on that quote and its plain meaning unless he has read Tolle’s entire works?

If a reader departs from this regulation, he is suffering from Julius Malema syndrome.

OK. Now:

“You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”

Are you expecting me to say that you have no right to comment on that quotation without having read the entire works of Nietzsche?

http://richmarksentinel.com/rs_articles.asp?catid=2&recid=747

]]> By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-98384 Rod MacKenzie Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:48:09 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-98384 Jeff - agreed on your observations. Kind of surprised you did not mention my pet dislike, Rhema and asll the rest of the charismaniacs. I particulay do not like Ray McCauley and his obscenely expensive lifestyle in direct contradiction to the teaching of the New Testament which I have thoroughly read. However, I prefer to focus on the positive and go with tolerance and respect for other people's views even though I disagree and find some beliefs (communion wine becoming blood, the transubstantiation) sadly ludicrous and is part of how Ireland got torn apart. One dumb belief set against another. Jeff – agreed on your observations. Kind of surprised you did not mention my pet dislike, Rhema and asll the rest of the charismaniacs. I particulay do not like Ray McCauley and his obscenely expensive lifestyle in direct contradiction to the teaching of the New Testament which I have thoroughly read. However, I prefer to focus on the positive and go with tolerance and respect for other people’s views even though I disagree and find some beliefs (communion wine becoming blood, the transubstantiation) sadly ludicrous and is part of how Ireland got torn apart. One dumb belief set against another.

]]> By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-98383 Rod MacKenzie Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:43:27 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-98383 If a person does not know what HE is talking about... apologies. If a person does not know what HE is talking about… apologies.

]]> By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-98382 Rod MacKenzie Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:41:47 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-98382 Paul Whelan - I find your response disappointing. You clearly have not read the literature or spent the time engaging with the methods, such as meditiation. If you have not seen the ocean you cannot talk about it. What kind of ludicrous remark is "For the rest, Tolle has, to my knowledge, made no better effort to understand me"? On the idiotic level, he has never met you. How do you know he does not understand "you" or human behaviour when it is clear you have not studied his material? If a person does not know what they are talking about, he should shut up. The problem is we have people who talk about what they don't know because they don't realise they don't know or deny their ignorance. The name for it should be the Julius Malema syndrome. You are showing alarming signals of having that syndrome. A two thousand years plea? For a start Tolle does not preach religion. If you are referring to Xianity, as that is the 2000 figure in terms of origins, he is not a Christian. He is not a religious person at all. Paul Whelan – I find your response disappointing. You clearly have not read the literature or spent the time engaging with the methods, such as meditiation. If you have not seen the ocean you cannot talk about it.
What kind of ludicrous remark is “For the rest, Tolle has, to my knowledge, made no better effort to understand me”? On the idiotic level, he has never met you. How do you know he does not understand “you” or human behaviour when it is clear you have not studied his material?

If a person does not know what they are talking about, he should shut up. The problem is we have people who talk about what they don’t know because they don’t realise they don’t know or deny their ignorance. The name for it should be the Julius Malema syndrome. You are showing alarming signals of having that syndrome.
A two thousand years plea? For a start Tolle does not preach religion. If you are referring to Xianity, as that is the 2000 figure in terms of origins, he is not a Christian. He is not a religious person at all.

]]> By: Paul Whelan http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-98276 Paul Whelan Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:32:00 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-98276 Rod Your response is lighthearted but nevertheless comes as something of a disappointment. For the rest, Tolle has, to my knowledge, made no better effort to understand me. The plea that it cannot be understood intellectually has for two thousand years and more been the explanation for all those propositions that cannot be understood at all. Rod

Your response is lighthearted but nevertheless comes as something of a disappointment.

For the rest, Tolle has, to my knowledge, made no better effort to understand me.

The plea that it cannot be understood intellectually has for two thousand years and more been the explanation for all those propositions that cannot be understood at all.

]]> By: Rod MacKenzie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-98261 Rod MacKenzie Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:46:39 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/rodmackenzie/2009/10/19/jokes-put-the-ridiculous-side-of-religions-into-perspective/#comment-98261 - Paul Whelan - a fish's death diminishes you?? I personally prefer one with a white wine sauce if its a snapper or yellowtail and salmon is awesome when pan fried till nearly crumbling splashed with lemon butter and a side of steamed peas and carrots all washed down with a merlot. I most certainly do not feel diminished and speak for many. ;) You have not understood the Tolle quotation. I doubt you have read the book(s) and spent the time in meditation to understand what people like Tolle et al are talking about. It cannot be understood intellectually - usually the ego level. And it cannot be explained in a simple comment box here. But hey, I am not trying to insult you, just disagree with your observations. - Paul Whelan – a fish’s death diminishes you?? I personally prefer one with a white wine sauce if its a snapper or yellowtail and salmon is awesome when pan fried till nearly crumbling splashed with lemon butter and a side of steamed peas and carrots all washed down with a merlot. I most certainly do not feel diminished and speak for many. ;)
You have not understood the Tolle quotation. I doubt you have read the book(s) and spent the time in meditation to understand what people like Tolle et al are talking about. It cannot be understood intellectually – usually the ego level. And it cannot be explained in a simple comment box here. But hey, I am not trying to insult you, just disagree with your observations.

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