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		<title>By: X - Sea Eye Aye</title>
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		<dc:creator>X - Sea Eye Aye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Reggie ol fellow... :-) 

You probably have not realised it but your thinking is 20 years out of date.

Who pays you to dissseminte this crap? I mean no sane person believes in it, not even you, I&#039;m sure you will agree.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Reggie ol fellow&#8230; <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>You probably have not realised it but your thinking is 20 years out of date.</p>
<p>Who pays you to dissseminte this crap? I mean no sane person believes in it, not even you, I&#8217;m sure you will agree.</p>
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		<title>By: TlanchTau</title>
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		<dc:creator>TlanchTau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s nationalize the whole lot and create jobs for the masses and let the ANC keep all the profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s nationalize the whole lot and create jobs for the masses and let the ANC keep all the profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Xmas from Wall St</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy Xmas from Wall St</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We love Reg Rumney. He loyaly trots out the crap that makes us supperrich. We have just ripped off the US taxpayer to the tune of $700 billion in a bailout to Wall St executives so that despite millions of American losing their homes we keep our Lear Jets and get multi-million dollar bonuses for destorying the global economy. That you Reg and all other nincopoops like George W Bush and Sarah Palin who support us in our Capitalistic confidence trick. 

;-) ;-) ;-);-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We love Reg Rumney. He loyaly trots out the crap that makes us supperrich. We have just ripped off the US taxpayer to the tune of $700 billion in a bailout to Wall St executives so that despite millions of American losing their homes we keep our Lear Jets and get multi-million dollar bonuses for destorying the global economy. That you Reg and all other nincopoops like George W Bush and Sarah Palin who support us in our Capitalistic confidence trick. </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Rebel Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebel Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rory Short

Thank you Rory. Excellent response.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rory Short</p>
<p>Thank you Rory. Excellent response.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Short</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory Short</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nationalisation is a sub-optimal response to an unhealthy socioeconomic system. It is suboptimal because it does not question nor does it do  anything to change the basic flaws within the current capitalist system.

Real wealth stands on two pillars. Firstly individual enterprise which creates the goods and/or services that can be exchanged and secondly it requires a healthy community within which these goods and/or services can be exchanged.

Capitalism as a system rewards enterprise, vital and necessary, but overlooks the creation and maintenance of a healthy community within which exchanges can take place. The system operates on the baseless assumption of the continued existence of a healthy community in which to trade. It is baseless because all that one has to do is to visualise what will happen to the economic and social health of the world should all the monetary wealth be concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. That wealth will ultimately become worthless because there will be no one left with whom exchanges can be made.  The capitalist system must be restructured in such a way as to automatically maintain the socioeconomic health of the community within which it exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nationalisation is a sub-optimal response to an unhealthy socioeconomic system. It is suboptimal because it does not question nor does it do  anything to change the basic flaws within the current capitalist system.</p>
<p>Real wealth stands on two pillars. Firstly individual enterprise which creates the goods and/or services that can be exchanged and secondly it requires a healthy community within which these goods and/or services can be exchanged.</p>
<p>Capitalism as a system rewards enterprise, vital and necessary, but overlooks the creation and maintenance of a healthy community within which exchanges can take place. The system operates on the baseless assumption of the continued existence of a healthy community in which to trade. It is baseless because all that one has to do is to visualise what will happen to the economic and social health of the world should all the monetary wealth be concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. That wealth will ultimately become worthless because there will be no one left with whom exchanges can be made.  The capitalist system must be restructured in such a way as to automatically maintain the socioeconomic health of the community within which it exists.</p>
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		<title>By: MLH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rebel Capitalist, the point is that our continent has not managed even part of one of your points. 
Who do you expect to do it for them? We, the white folk or they US/UK/etc the white folk? You are asking a paraplegic to heft a heavy load. I know that sounds derogatory, but it&#039;s not meant to be...the fact is, Africa is demanding that developed countries take the fall for fuel emissions so that they can keep their bad habits while they play catch-up, instead of changing habits we now all know are bad.
When will we stop playing the victims and get down to work?

Thank you, Reg. Nice and clear. Even a poorly educated person with a bad Matric mark should be able to understand it if he chews over it slowly with his morning All Bran. Problem is, he&#039;s probably A-literate too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rebel Capitalist, the point is that our continent has not managed even part of one of your points.<br />
Who do you expect to do it for them? We, the white folk or they US/UK/etc the white folk? You are asking a paraplegic to heft a heavy load. I know that sounds derogatory, but it&#8217;s not meant to be&#8230;the fact is, Africa is demanding that developed countries take the fall for fuel emissions so that they can keep their bad habits while they play catch-up, instead of changing habits we now all know are bad.<br />
When will we stop playing the victims and get down to work?</p>
<p>Thank you, Reg. Nice and clear. Even a poorly educated person with a bad Matric mark should be able to understand it if he chews over it slowly with his morning All Bran. Problem is, he&#8217;s probably A-literate too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee van Zyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee van Zyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, I hope that those shouting racist slogans, air out their brains before reading. Hopefully they will understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, I hope that those shouting racist slogans, air out their brains before reading. Hopefully they will understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebel Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebel Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued… can capitalism work? More issues to be addressed:

10) Reduce violent crime in society. Research shows how violent crime was reduced in Washington DC (USA) by 23% almost immediately. “Social Indicators Research”, 47(2): 153-201. http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/

11) The massive overseas corporate land grab in Africa, China, South Korea must immediately be halted. “Corporate investors lead the rush for control over overseas farmland” http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=55 

12) Food sovereignty for all, not just food security. “People’s Food Sovereignty Now! Declarations” http://peoplesforum2009.foodsovereignty.org/final_declarations 

13) The rights of peasants, small and middle-scale producers, agricultural workers, rural women, and indigenous communities must be guaranteed – See Via Campesina.

14) Biofuels from food crops or produced on land used for food must immediately be halted - www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/ 

15) Genetically modified (GM) crops must be immediately banned. They are harmful to human health and the environment, regularly produce lower yields and require higher herbicide use. [References can be supplied]

16) Sequester or remove 40% of the CO2 from the atmosphere through natural geo-engineering, ie. By converting the world’s 3,5 billion tillable acres currently under chemical industrial farming to organic agriculture. Read more: http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19229.cfm 

Look forward to some healthy debate.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued… can capitalism work? More issues to be addressed:</p>
<p>10) Reduce violent crime in society. Research shows how violent crime was reduced in Washington DC (USA) by 23% almost immediately. “Social Indicators Research”, 47(2): 153-201. <a href="http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/" rel="nofollow">http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/</a></p>
<p>11) The massive overseas corporate land grab in Africa, China, South Korea must immediately be halted. “Corporate investors lead the rush for control over overseas farmland” <a href="http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=55" rel="nofollow">http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=55</a> </p>
<p>12) Food sovereignty for all, not just food security. “People’s Food Sovereignty Now! Declarations” <a href="http://peoplesforum2009.foodsovereignty.org/final_declarations" rel="nofollow">http://peoplesforum2009.foodsovereignty.org/final_declarations</a> </p>
<p>13) The rights of peasants, small and middle-scale producers, agricultural workers, rural women, and indigenous communities must be guaranteed – See Via Campesina.</p>
<p>14) Biofuels from food crops or produced on land used for food must immediately be halted &#8211; <a href="http://www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/</a> </p>
<p>15) Genetically modified (GM) crops must be immediately banned. They are harmful to human health and the environment, regularly produce lower yields and require higher herbicide use. [References can be supplied]</p>
<p>16) Sequester or remove 40% of the CO2 from the atmosphere through natural geo-engineering, ie. By converting the world’s 3,5 billion tillable acres currently under chemical industrial farming to organic agriculture. Read more: <a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19229.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_19229.cfm</a> </p>
<p>Look forward to some healthy debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebel Capitalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebel Capitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Reg Rumney

I think the debate must be much broarder than mere nationalisation, capitalism is in crises, I have posted this elsewhere and would appreciate comments:

1) Revamp our global financial system to avoid boom and bust - Keynesian Economics or similar system.

2) One economic model does not fit all. World Bank and IMF structural adjustment programmes a disaster in developing world. The solution: ‘Making Globalization Work’ by Prof Joseph Stiglitz.

3) Protect environment; rain forests, oceans, air.., everything, otherwise our civilisation will collapse. 

4) Implement ‘Fair Trade’ as opposed to ‘Free Trade’ and allow developing countries to erect trade barriers where necessary.

5) Close the income gap between the superrich and very poor, otherwise we will have a revolution.

6) Every child around the world must receive consciousness based education so as to eliminate poverty and terrorism. - http://www.cbeprograms.org/ 

7) The whole world must more towards 100% renewable energy by 2050. If Germany can why not the rest of us?

8) Move towards Zerowaste. Recycle and re-use everything.

9) Cut back on meat eating. Meat eating is an inefficient way of converting the suns energy and other resources to food. Excessive meat eating increases disease in humans and exacerbates climate change. 



To be continued....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Reg Rumney</p>
<p>I think the debate must be much broarder than mere nationalisation, capitalism is in crises, I have posted this elsewhere and would appreciate comments:</p>
<p>1) Revamp our global financial system to avoid boom and bust &#8211; Keynesian Economics or similar system.</p>
<p>2) One economic model does not fit all. World Bank and IMF structural adjustment programmes a disaster in developing world. The solution: ‘Making Globalization Work’ by Prof Joseph Stiglitz.</p>
<p>3) Protect environment; rain forests, oceans, air.., everything, otherwise our civilisation will collapse. </p>
<p>4) Implement ‘Fair Trade’ as opposed to ‘Free Trade’ and allow developing countries to erect trade barriers where necessary.</p>
<p>5) Close the income gap between the superrich and very poor, otherwise we will have a revolution.</p>
<p>6) Every child around the world must receive consciousness based education so as to eliminate poverty and terrorism. &#8211; <a href="http://www.cbeprograms.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbeprograms.org/</a> </p>
<p>7) The whole world must more towards 100% renewable energy by 2050. If Germany can why not the rest of us?</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Move towards Zerowaste. Recycle and re-use everything.</p>
<p>9) Cut back on meat eating. Meat eating is an inefficient way of converting the suns energy and other resources to food. Excessive meat eating increases disease in humans and exacerbates climate change. </p>
<p>To be continued&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: avishkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>avishkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but if we nationalise everything, we can ensure that cosatu&#039;s members dont get retrenched, that the mining licences get renewed, that mine owners become mining licence operators and that the state will subsidise the operation to make it work. in addition the gravy will be paid to luthuli house and its enforcers and that when it all goes to shite 3 years after the nationalisation, then it will all be reprivatised through a state soft-financed empowerment deal wherein COSATU, the SACP, the ANC&#039;s Women&#039;s League, the ANC&#039;s War Vets and the ANCYL all get slices of the pie... then we will see that the means of production will be in the hands of those who produce the wealth of the land... full marx to the planners of the National Acquisitive Bureau for the Socio Economic Restitution &amp; Development Initiative for The Youth or National ABSERDITY

:-) Vavi le Liberte</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if we nationalise everything, we can ensure that cosatu&#8217;s members dont get retrenched, that the mining licences get renewed, that mine owners become mining licence operators and that the state will subsidise the operation to make it work. in addition the gravy will be paid to luthuli house and its enforcers and that when it all goes to shite 3 years after the nationalisation, then it will all be reprivatised through a state soft-financed empowerment deal wherein COSATU, the SACP, the ANC&#8217;s Women&#8217;s League, the ANC&#8217;s War Vets and the ANCYL all get slices of the pie&#8230; then we will see that the means of production will be in the hands of those who produce the wealth of the land&#8230; full marx to the planners of the National Acquisitive Bureau for the Socio Economic Restitution &amp; Development Initiative for The Youth or National ABSERDITY</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Vavi le Liberte</p>
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