Comments on: Burning to death in fortresses http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: X - Sea Eye Aye http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-105031 X - Sea Eye Aye Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:37:41 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-105031 @Boycott 2010 World Cup I have just been into your web site and you are obviously a bunch of right wing nutters and opportunists. 8) @Boycott 2010 World Cup

I have just been into your web site and you are obviously a bunch of right wing nutters and opportunists.

8)

]]> By: Boycott 2010 World Cup http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-105001 Boycott 2010 World Cup Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:46:29 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-105001 Peak Oil Perspectives, I find it interesting that only one person in the Peak Oil movement in RSA has endorsed the Boycott 2010 World Cup campaign... Peak Oil Perspectives et al.. appear as silent as the proverbial three monkeys... Any reasons why?? It is a monumental opportunity to educate, Mr. Ruppert's COLLAPSE documentary is a radical eyeopener.. endorsed by Boycott 2010 World Cup, as a must see... Why the silence from Peak Oil Perspectives? Boycott 2010 World Cup http://www.boycott-2010-world-cup.co.nr Peak Oil Perspectives,

I find it interesting that only one person in the Peak Oil movement in RSA has endorsed the Boycott 2010 World Cup campaign…

Peak Oil Perspectives et al.. appear as silent as the proverbial three monkeys…

Any reasons why??

It is a monumental opportunity to educate, Mr. Ruppert’s COLLAPSE documentary is a radical eyeopener.. endorsed by Boycott 2010 World Cup, as a must see…

Why the silence from Peak Oil Perspectives?

Boycott 2010 World Cup
http://www.boycott-2010-world-cup.co.nr

]]> By: clean green jean http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104958 clean green jean Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:32:20 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104958 @The Praetor Yup you must not interfere with the spending power of the rich ("I would leave rich folk alone, if you know whats good for you") If they bugger up the global economy you just bail them out with a $700 billion dollar package paid for by ordinary taxpayers who are now having their homes repossessed, see USA. I really believe you need to think through what you sprout a bit more carfully. @The Praetor

Yup you must not interfere with the spending power of the rich (“I would leave rich folk alone, if you know whats good for you”)

If they bugger up the global economy you just bail them out with a $700 billion dollar package paid for by ordinary taxpayers who are now having their homes repossessed, see USA.

I really believe you need to think through what you sprout a bit more carfully.

]]> By: Rory Short http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104925 Rory Short Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:48:04 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104925 Your central point is that we are all, rich and poor, resident on the same space ship, planet earth, and if the ship becomes uninhabtable then it will effect all of us. The rich might be able to hide from this reality for a bit longer than the poor but in the end they too will succumb. Your central point is that we are all, rich and poor, resident on the same space ship, planet earth, and if the ship becomes uninhabtable then it will effect all of us. The rich might be able to hide from this reality for a bit longer than the poor but in the end they too will succumb.

]]> By: Peace http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104888 Peace Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:02:34 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104888 Wouldn't it be nice if we could live like this? You forget however that it is because of scientific knowledge and technology that we have this great divide. Depending on where one finds oneself conditions differ largely and therefore cultures do as well. We all need to adapt to the environment in which we live. People from the N hemisphere had to do so or death was inevitable. People in the Southern H. also faced challenges tho. very different to thosen the North. They learned to go with the flow and not impose man's will on the land. Death was and is part of life, natural selection rules and actually just having enough to eat for the day was what they had to concern themselves with and then if there was a drought they followed the animals and the water - they literally did not need material things that had to be carried or left behind. Our ancestors imposed what was necessary in the Northern H when they arrived and that is what led to the problems worldwide. It's a complex topic but the truth is that less is more and by interference in the laws of nature we have our current problems. Those who place less importance on materialism are happier and more relaxed people. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could live like this? You forget however that it is because of scientific knowledge and technology that we have this great divide. Depending on where one finds oneself conditions differ largely and therefore cultures do as well. We all need to adapt to the environment in which we live. People from the N hemisphere had to do so or death was inevitable. People in the Southern H. also faced challenges tho. very different to thosen the North. They learned to go with the flow and not impose man’s will on the land. Death was and is part of life, natural selection rules and actually just having enough to eat for the day was what they had to concern themselves with and then if there was a drought they followed the animals and the water – they literally did not need material things that had to be carried or left behind. Our ancestors imposed what was necessary in the Northern H when they arrived and that is what led to the problems worldwide. It’s a complex topic but the truth is that less is more and by interference in the laws of nature we have our current problems. Those who place less importance on materialism are happier and more relaxed people.

]]> By: Get Real http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104821 Get Real Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:01:57 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104821 @Brent Crime is everyones problem. Government need to do their part but so does everyone else. Violent crime was reduced in Washington DC (USA) by 23% almost immediately over a three week period. Civil society have proven this is possible, now government should implement it long term. If they won't, as the article suggests, the wealthy could easily do it from the money they spend on "services of private security, insurance, income protection and other expenses designed to protect us from the possible losses from crime" See Washington experiment: http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/ The sooner this is implemented the less chance of dying as a result of crime. 8) @Brent

Crime is everyones problem. Government need to do their part but so does everyone else.

Violent crime was reduced in Washington DC (USA) by 23% almost immediately over a three week period. Civil society have proven this is possible, now government should implement it long term. If they won’t, as the article suggests, the wealthy could easily do it from the money they spend on “services of private security, insurance, income protection and other expenses designed to protect us from the possible losses from crime” See Washington experiment: http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/

The sooner this is implemented the less chance of dying as a result of crime.

8)

]]> By: Wise Old Joe http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104818 Wise Old Joe Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:52:30 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104818 Good article. Maybe the rich should use sail and solar powered yatchs to reach their exotic destinations? :-) Good article.

Maybe the rich should use sail and solar powered yatchs to reach their exotic destinations?

:-)

]]> By: Robin Grant http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104809 Robin Grant Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:57:43 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104809 Its always easy to talk about what to do with other peoples money. Its always easy to talk about what to do with other peoples money.

]]> By: The Praetor http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104747 The Praetor Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:48:25 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104747 I would leave rich folk alone, if you know whats good for you. Just think about it.. If they dont spend their money on these fortresses, security, and all other kinds of things etc, a lot of businesses would go bust. Their employees would then be jobless...and then? More crime as a consequence. A lot of people dont realise that the spending power of the rich, is what is keeping this world economically afloat. You can actually surmise that the recession was caused when rich people got their fingers burnt, when various schemes they invested in turned out to be fruadulent. They then got spend-shy, and it turns into a vicious cycle, where the same thing starts happens down the line. When rich folk become confident again, and lets go of the purse strings, then voila!, no more recession. I would leave rich folk alone, if you know whats good for you. Just think about it.. If they dont spend their money on these fortresses, security, and all other kinds of things etc, a lot of businesses would go bust. Their employees would then be jobless…and then? More crime as a consequence.
A lot of people dont realise that the spending power of the rich, is what is keeping this world economically afloat.
You can actually surmise that the recession was caused when rich people got their fingers burnt, when various schemes they invested in turned out to be fruadulent. They then got spend-shy, and it turns into a vicious cycle, where the same thing starts happens down the line.
When rich folk become confident again, and lets go of the purse strings, then voila!, no more recession.

]]> By: Andrew Slaughter http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/comment-page-1/#comment-104740 Andrew Slaughter Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:07:51 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/peakoilperspectives/2009/12/09/burning-to-death-in-our-own-fortresses/#comment-104740 To me it is a strange contradiction that most of us want children, but we can't seem to look ahead further than a couple of decades. If one believes the predictions, the future for our children may be very bleak indead, but somehow it does not seem real because it's still years away. To me it is a strange contradiction that most of us want children, but we can’t seem to look ahead further than a couple of decades. If one believes the predictions, the future for our children may be very bleak indead, but somehow it does not seem real because it’s still years away.

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