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		<title>By: shane brody</title>
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		<dc:creator>shane brody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jj...wouldnt you say that deliberating the merits/demerits of one lonesome figure in an oligarchist political party is somewhat of a fruitless exercise?...essentially, it is quite clear that not unlike &quot;kortbroek&quot; van Schalkwyk, Hogan is merely a pawn in the ANC to satisfy the warped sense of reality of white leftist-inclined liberals, and to give the ruling party some &quot;credibility&quot; in terms of demographical representation.

Quite clearly, no matter what Hogan does to speak truth to power she will be increasingly marginalised in a movement where recent requests (by the big man) to debate &quot;morals&quot; (in the African context?)clearly highlights a lack of any intention to rid the ruling party of the decay which is presently consuming it. Perhaps it would be an interesting initiative for you to define &quot;morals&quot; (in an article) and to indicate to the buffoon-filled regime that morals are not culturally-specific/autonomous but that they are universal - perhaps the term &quot;democracy&quot; can also be deliberated in terms of cultural relativism...thhe most principled thing that Hogan can do is to resign - this would put country before (misguided) ideology...there&#039;s an old saying: &quot;farting against thunder does&#039;nt work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jj&#8230;wouldnt you say that deliberating the merits/demerits of one lonesome figure in an oligarchist political party is somewhat of a fruitless exercise?&#8230;essentially, it is quite clear that not unlike &#8220;kortbroek&#8221; van Schalkwyk, Hogan is merely a pawn in the ANC to satisfy the warped sense of reality of white leftist-inclined liberals, and to give the ruling party some &#8220;credibility&#8221; in terms of demographical representation.</p>
<p>Quite clearly, no matter what Hogan does to speak truth to power she will be increasingly marginalised in a movement where recent requests (by the big man) to debate &#8220;morals&#8221; (in the African context?)clearly highlights a lack of any intention to rid the ruling party of the decay which is presently consuming it. Perhaps it would be an interesting initiative for you to define &#8220;morals&#8221; (in an article) and to indicate to the buffoon-filled regime that morals are not culturally-specific/autonomous but that they are universal &#8211; perhaps the term &#8220;democracy&#8221; can also be deliberated in terms of cultural relativism&#8230;thhe most principled thing that Hogan can do is to resign &#8211; this would put country before (misguided) ideology&#8230;there&#8217;s an old saying: &#8220;farting against thunder does&#8217;nt work!</p>
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		<title>By: Onkgopotse JJ Tabane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onkgopotse JJ Tabane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 04:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Balt....that is the spin that you will be fed - that the ANC will have little to do with the decision that will see it emerge as one of the beneficiaries of people&#039;s misery. If you cut through that spin....you will agree with me when I say it is &quot; essentially &quot; the sole shareholder....It does not even need to outovote anyone to make a decision that will benefit the ruling party so blatantly. Finally this is even more so true given that the ANC has perfected the art of blurring the lines between party and state so well that only those with blinkers will see the difference. The deployment policy - it seems to me - is not going to be abandoned soon. There arnt enough townships that have gone up in flames to warrant such a departure from a policy that is responsible for the collapse of services and the systemic inefficiency and incompotence of state apparatus. So even in that instance we could blame government and pretend it is not the ANC but lets cut through the spin and admit quite frankly - The ANC is to blame and we need to learn to put the blame at the right door if we are to fins solutions to our country&#039;s multiple problems. 

Thanks for the complementg nevertheless. I hope it will not turn Hogan into a skunk in the ANC....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Balt&#8230;.that is the spin that you will be fed &#8211; that the ANC will have little to do with the decision that will see it emerge as one of the beneficiaries of people&#8217;s misery. If you cut through that spin&#8230;.you will agree with me when I say it is &#8221; essentially &#8221; the sole shareholder&#8230;.It does not even need to outovote anyone to make a decision that will benefit the ruling party so blatantly. Finally this is even more so true given that the ANC has perfected the art of blurring the lines between party and state so well that only those with blinkers will see the difference. The deployment policy &#8211; it seems to me &#8211; is not going to be abandoned soon. There arnt enough townships that have gone up in flames to warrant such a departure from a policy that is responsible for the collapse of services and the systemic inefficiency and incompotence of state apparatus. So even in that instance we could blame government and pretend it is not the ANC but lets cut through the spin and admit quite frankly &#8211; The ANC is to blame and we need to learn to put the blame at the right door if we are to fins solutions to our country&#8217;s multiple problems. </p>
<p>Thanks for the complementg nevertheless. I hope it will not turn Hogan into a skunk in the ANC&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Onkgopotse JJ Tabane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onkgopotse JJ Tabane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Words in a society that is under fear and patronage are indeed an achievement. 
My argument is that she speaks out where others fear to tread. You have some valid point re motswaledi I never said that he should be writen off I am saying that he has failed doctors who are still earning peanuts 11 months after he has made noise about heloung them to stop earning peanuts. Seconddly I am critical about him making Zuma a hero of the new approach....this was hypocritical as Zuma deputised Mbeki with silence and headed up the Aids Council with incompetence. 
So  I am not contrasting Hogan and Arron&#039;s Tenures I am merely saying I have no clue why she was resshafled when the entire fraternity was happy with her leadership. She was the first health minister in a long time to say anything sensible on Aids - that I stand by it completelely.

You have no argeument against the shameful Daila Lama refusal to entry. Tutu and Deklerk I am sure were not crazy to boycott the conference based on this. There was outcry everywhere so much that the new minister of iNternational relations rcently said the Daila Lama will now be welcome so whatever argument was advanced has now conveniently expeired ...after the ourcry of the whole country. 

Hogan was write to show BMF and ANCYL the MIDDLE finger on Maroga they had no business asking her to undermine the baord of Eskom period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Words in a society that is under fear and patronage are indeed an achievement.<br />
My argument is that she speaks out where others fear to tread. You have some valid point re motswaledi I never said that he should be writen off I am saying that he has failed doctors who are still earning peanuts 11 months after he has made noise about heloung them to stop earning peanuts. Seconddly I am critical about him making Zuma a hero of the new approach&#8230;.this was hypocritical as Zuma deputised Mbeki with silence and headed up the Aids Council with incompetence.<br />
So  I am not contrasting Hogan and Arron&#8217;s Tenures I am merely saying I have no clue why she was resshafled when the entire fraternity was happy with her leadership. She was the first health minister in a long time to say anything sensible on Aids &#8211; that I stand by it completelely.</p>
<p>You have no argeument against the shameful Daila Lama refusal to entry. Tutu and Deklerk I am sure were not crazy to boycott the conference based on this. There was outcry everywhere so much that the new minister of iNternational relations rcently said the Daila Lama will now be welcome so whatever argument was advanced has now conveniently expeired &#8230;after the ourcry of the whole country. </p>
<p>Hogan was write to show BMF and ANCYL the MIDDLE finger on Maroga they had no business asking her to undermine the baord of Eskom period.</p>
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		<title>By: Yam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Phetogo - ever heard the saying &#039;You are my brother but in business we are strangers&#039;? I think it should apply to politics too. You can still be loyal to your party but expect elected politicians to do the jobs they were hired for and deliver on the promises they make. I am grappling with the same issue now that the time has come to build onto my house. A friend who is a builder needs the work and I want to help him. But is it ever a good idea to mix business and friendship? I fear he will not take me seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Phetogo &#8211; ever heard the saying &#8216;You are my brother but in business we are strangers&#8217;? I think it should apply to politics too. You can still be loyal to your party but expect elected politicians to do the jobs they were hired for and deliver on the promises they make. I am grappling with the same issue now that the time has come to build onto my house. A friend who is a builder needs the work and I want to help him. But is it ever a good idea to mix business and friendship? I fear he will not take me seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Balt Verhagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balt Verhagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ongkopotse

I only picked up your blog late in the day so,here I am, once again at the bottom of a loooong queue.

BOETIE, OPPAS!: YOU HAVE FALLEN INTO THE TRAP !! YOU WRITE:
...there is a conflict of interest if the ruling party is to benefit in any way from the decisions of Eskom, of which it is essentially the sole shareholder
SURELY, IT IS THE SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT (READ SOUTH AFRICA) THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SOLE SHAREHOLDER, AND EMPHATICALLY NOT THE ANC,THAT PROFITEERS FROM IT ?!!

That said, you must be commended for drawing Barbara Hogan&#039;s achievements together most admirably. You are right: if only there were more ministers like her</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ongkopotse</p>
<p>I only picked up your blog late in the day so,here I am, once again at the bottom of a loooong queue.</p>
<p>BOETIE, OPPAS!: YOU HAVE FALLEN INTO THE TRAP !! YOU WRITE:<br />
&#8230;there is a conflict of interest if the ruling party is to benefit in any way from the decisions of Eskom, of which it is essentially the sole shareholder<br />
SURELY, IT IS THE SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT (READ SOUTH AFRICA) THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SOLE SHAREHOLDER, AND EMPHATICALLY NOT THE ANC,THAT PROFITEERS FROM IT ?!!</p>
<p>That said, you must be commended for drawing Barbara Hogan&#8217;s achievements together most admirably. You are right: if only there were more ministers like her</p>
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		<title>By: Peace In Our Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peace In Our Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Phetego. You ask how you can get out of it. Wear an ANC T-Shirt and vote for the opposition - any party although the strongest is always best - and help stem the tide of majority rule before it becomes too entrenched and denies us basic freedoms such as the one on which we even now are speaking. Share what you learn by speaking out as you do to those around you who do not have access to internet as we do. Reach out to all Saffas and you will find they will listen and respect you for having a brain and mind of your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Phetego. You ask how you can get out of it. Wear an ANC T-Shirt and vote for the opposition &#8211; any party although the strongest is always best &#8211; and help stem the tide of majority rule before it becomes too entrenched and denies us basic freedoms such as the one on which we even now are speaking. Share what you learn by speaking out as you do to those around you who do not have access to internet as we do. Reach out to all Saffas and you will find they will listen and respect you for having a brain and mind of your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Mtimande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mtimande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>continued ...

Excellence should not be measured on what one speaks but on deliverables. Speaking against the ANC does not mean that she is brave or competent because history has taught us that people like her do things like this to push their own agendas. Dismissing (and not engaging) a professionals’ body like the BMF is uncalled for since it has a right to lobby for anyone, it is a largest single body that has black talent. We should therefore, not dismiss their view as “lobbying for a pseudo-candidate”. 

Do you quit frankly believe that she is independent, has no agenda and will not appoint her team to lead the parastatals?   What has Hogan achieved since taking over the Public Enterprises? Where is a blue print on solving the challenges faced by SAA, Eskom, Transnet and Denel among others? What actions has she taken against corrupt individuals? Words are not an achievement…</description>
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<p>Excellence should not be measured on what one speaks but on deliverables. Speaking against the ANC does not mean that she is brave or competent because history has taught us that people like her do things like this to push their own agendas. Dismissing (and not engaging) a professionals’ body like the BMF is uncalled for since it has a right to lobby for anyone, it is a largest single body that has black talent. We should therefore, not dismiss their view as “lobbying for a pseudo-candidate”. </p>
<p>Do you quit frankly believe that she is independent, has no agenda and will not appoint her team to lead the parastatals?   What has Hogan achieved since taking over the Public Enterprises? Where is a blue print on solving the challenges faced by SAA, Eskom, Transnet and Denel among others? What actions has she taken against corrupt individuals? Words are not an achievement…</p>
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		<title>By: Mtimande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mtimande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continued ...

Mangosuthu Buthelezi puts your argument to shame he said during the KZN Health Budget Debate “Motsoaledi’s frankness is refreshing, his diagnosis and prescription are spot on.  I say this because for the first time in 15 years a Minister of Health has admitted that the deterioration of public health services could be blamed on government’s neglect, chronic under funding, as well as a host of bad decisions, poor management and wastefulness”  
Mark Heywood, director of the Aids Law Project and deputy chairperson of the SANAC,  further dismisses your squabble, “We are beginning to see change around HIV in South Africa,”  “I can put my hand on my heart and say I believe this Minister of Health, and I trust this Minister of Health.” he said.
The issue of the Dalai Lama is a complicated one, read the argument put forward by Dr. Porlo Jordan to understand the position taken by the ANC. There are also other issues like economic relations that the ANC like the Obama led Democrats in the USA needed to consider.

Continued ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continued &#8230;</p>
<p>Mangosuthu Buthelezi puts your argument to shame he said during the KZN Health Budget Debate “Motsoaledi’s frankness is refreshing, his diagnosis and prescription are spot on.  I say this because for the first time in 15 years a Minister of Health has admitted that the deterioration of public health services could be blamed on government’s neglect, chronic under funding, as well as a host of bad decisions, poor management and wastefulness”<br />
Mark Heywood, director of the Aids Law Project and deputy chairperson of the SANAC,  further dismisses your squabble, “We are beginning to see change around HIV in South Africa,”  “I can put my hand on my heart and say I believe this Minister of Health, and I trust this Minister of Health.” he said.<br />
The issue of the Dalai Lama is a complicated one, read the argument put forward by Dr. Porlo Jordan to understand the position taken by the ANC. There are also other issues like economic relations that the ANC like the Obama led Democrats in the USA needed to consider.</p>
<p>Continued &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mtimande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mtimande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tabane your argument is one-sided, flimsy and ill-informed.  It is not true that Hogan was the first within the ANC to reject Aids denialism. Alliance partners who hold dual membership (SACP and ANC) have raised this issue strongly before her. It is also very interesting that Hogan like yourself before you joined COPE, only managed to find her voice (of reason) after the recall of Thabo Mbeki. Where was her (or your) strong character prior to that?

It is totally iniquitous to contrast Hogan and Motsoaledi tenure. The issues that he is facing were there when she was Health Minister. What did she do to address or mitigate them? Your ignorance on what Motsoaledi has done is mind boggling. He has brought in new approach and zeal towards the mitigation of concerns within the health sector. He has never backed down when leadership is needed within the sector.  He has shown willingness to listen to doctors, nurses and scientists who are hugely significant, given the history of conflict between those at the frontline and those in power. He has initiated health drives including supporting the Zulu King’s call for male circumcision and the new plan aimed at reducing the rate of infection by 50% by 2011 and provide antiretroviral (ARV) treatment to 80% of those who need the treatment among others.

Continued ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tabane your argument is one-sided, flimsy and ill-informed.  It is not true that Hogan was the first within the ANC to reject Aids denialism. Alliance partners who hold dual membership (SACP and ANC) have raised this issue strongly before her. It is also very interesting that Hogan like yourself before you joined COPE, only managed to find her voice (of reason) after the recall of Thabo Mbeki. Where was her (or your) strong character prior to that?</p>
<p>It is totally iniquitous to contrast Hogan and Motsoaledi tenure. The issues that he is facing were there when she was Health Minister. What did she do to address or mitigate them? Your ignorance on what Motsoaledi has done is mind boggling. He has brought in new approach and zeal towards the mitigation of concerns within the health sector. He has never backed down when leadership is needed within the sector.  He has shown willingness to listen to doctors, nurses and scientists who are hugely significant, given the history of conflict between those at the frontline and those in power. He has initiated health drives including supporting the Zulu King’s call for male circumcision and the new plan aimed at reducing the rate of infection by 50% by 2011 and provide antiretroviral (ARV) treatment to 80% of those who need the treatment among others.</p>
<p>Continued &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MLH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Her stature is quietly growing as one of the few ministers who can speak her mind in an environment that is intoxicated by a mindless closing of ranks and the habitual trading of insult instead of an exchange of ideas.&quot;

You are wrong, they all can, they just don&#039;t!

Barabara Hogan is the only ANC politician I am able to respect. Sadly, she is unlikely to switch parties once she is dumped and the only voice of sanity will be lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Her stature is quietly growing as one of the few ministers who can speak her mind in an environment that is intoxicated by a mindless closing of ranks and the habitual trading of insult instead of an exchange of ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are wrong, they all can, they just don&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Barabara Hogan is the only ANC politician I am able to respect. Sadly, she is unlikely to switch parties once she is dumped and the only voice of sanity will be lost.</p>
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