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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s been a nauseating year</title>
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		<title>By: Pleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South Africa is a pretty nauseating country - hope it get&#039;s better in 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Africa is a pretty nauseating country &#8211; hope it get&#8217;s better in 2010</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Nnete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Nnete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ,
I&#039;ve noticed that if i look at your profile pic from certain angles it looks like you have horns coming out your head (perspective?). I&#039;ve also noticed that when i read your blogs long enough, i invariably find veiled reference to the ANC doing you some wrong(perspective?)-a kind of bizarro Memelaesque journalism. Perspective?

On the subject, while our constitution provides us a societal mean from which to fence perch i don&#039;t think it intends this fence as an ivory tower from which to judge &amp; condemn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ,<br />
I&#8217;ve noticed that if i look at your profile pic from certain angles it looks like you have horns coming out your head (perspective?). I&#8217;ve also noticed that when i read your blogs long enough, i invariably find veiled reference to the ANC doing you some wrong(perspective?)-a kind of bizarro Memelaesque journalism. Perspective?</p>
<p>On the subject, while our constitution provides us a societal mean from which to fence perch i don&#8217;t think it intends this fence as an ivory tower from which to judge &amp; condemn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that you can criticise the life out of my religion, yet we must all have respect for your narrow minded and superstitious rituals around the dead and &#039;ancestor worhsip&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that you can criticise the life out of my religion, yet we must all have respect for your narrow minded and superstitious rituals around the dead and &#8216;ancestor worhsip&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunate that you&#039;ve only realised all this at the end of 2009. Again, politics, religion, social discourse are bound to clash big time unless one ive space to each. Let&#039;s deal with what&#039;s nauseating politically:

- Service delivery protests
- Central Methodist/ Social Services Department crass
- Political intolerance and moral decay (Malema / Mda)
- PSL/ SAFA elections morass
- Menzi Simelani appointment
- Cope&#039;s internal battles, which have left the party counting loses to this day
- ANC/SACP/ COSATU jockeying for power against each other and duping the entire &quot;masses&quot;.

JJ, these are some of the issues that bedevilled our country this year, but the above script that you wrote can easily make me sleep at night at least. 
I like your articles, and know you can do far better than o on holiday on serious matter that need to be tackled head on. I remain your fervent follower.


Lord Spencer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunate that you&#8217;ve only realised all this at the end of 2009. Again, politics, religion, social discourse are bound to clash big time unless one ive space to each. Let&#8217;s deal with what&#8217;s nauseating politically:</p>
<p>- Service delivery protests<br />
- Central Methodist/ Social Services Department crass<br />
- Political intolerance and moral decay (Malema / Mda)<br />
- PSL/ SAFA elections morass<br />
- Menzi Simelani appointment<br />
- Cope&#8217;s internal battles, which have left the party counting loses to this day<br />
- ANC/SACP/ COSATU jockeying for power against each other and duping the entire &#8220;masses&#8221;.</p>
<p>JJ, these are some of the issues that bedevilled our country this year, but the above script that you wrote can easily make me sleep at night at least.<br />
I like your articles, and know you can do far better than o on holiday on serious matter that need to be tackled head on. I remain your fervent follower.</p>
<p>Lord Spencer</p>
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		<title>By: The Praetor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Praetor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I can understand what this article tries to convey, we have to keep in mind, that we as humans have to limit ourselves to a certain amounts of order.

There is order in the entire universe. You just have to look at nature and this order becomes very apparent. So why do we humans have to live contrary to rder.
If humans are going to cast aside all semblence of order, we will create anarchy, and thus change the essence of human nature. 

People talk about intolerance from humanity, towards various things, but what happens if something is offensive, do we have to sacrifice our values at the alter of tolerance?

Further where does it end? You tolerate certain things, and always you will find those who will push the envelope even further...untill where? Untill we turn ourselves into grotesque freaks, far removed from what nature intended.

No matter which persuation you follow, creationism  or evolution, the bottom line and most basic rule is that, from disorder comes order, and not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I can understand what this article tries to convey, we have to keep in mind, that we as humans have to limit ourselves to a certain amounts of order.</p>
<p>There is order in the entire universe. You just have to look at nature and this order becomes very apparent. So why do we humans have to live contrary to rder.<br />
If humans are going to cast aside all semblence of order, we will create anarchy, and thus change the essence of human nature. </p>
<p>People talk about intolerance from humanity, towards various things, but what happens if something is offensive, do we have to sacrifice our values at the alter of tolerance?</p>
<p>Further where does it end? You tolerate certain things, and always you will find those who will push the envelope even further&#8230;untill where? Untill we turn ourselves into grotesque freaks, far removed from what nature intended.</p>
<p>No matter which persuation you follow, creationism  or evolution, the bottom line and most basic rule is that, from disorder comes order, and not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Lebogang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lebogang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic insight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic insight!</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an excellent article.  I commend you, and wish there were more people like you on this planet, and especially in Africa.  Well written!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an excellent article.  I commend you, and wish there were more people like you on this planet, and especially in Africa.  Well written!</p>
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		<title>By: Chico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, the priest who told you that you would go to hell if you&#039;re not a Catholic was preaching heresy. The Catholic position on whether anyone goes to hell, and who is in hell is entirely an&quot;agnostic&quot; one (no pun intended)---we simply do not know. Notwithstanding popular caricatures, the topic of hell is not an important theme in enlightened Catholic circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, the priest who told you that you would go to hell if you&#8217;re not a Catholic was preaching heresy. The Catholic position on whether anyone goes to hell, and who is in hell is entirely an&#8221;agnostic&#8221; one (no pun intended)&#8212;we simply do not know. Notwithstanding popular caricatures, the topic of hell is not an important theme in enlightened Catholic circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with you. This has certainly been a year in which &#039;the best lack all conviction, and the worst are filled with passionate intensity.&#039; However I have valued and appreciated your insights and your sharp intellect over the year, and thank you for your continuing to raise the intellectual bar. I entirely agree that Mr Cliff&#039;s comments were crass in the extreme. There is a strong tendency in SA at the moment towards a &#039;dumbing down&#039; or celebrating the lowest common denominator and the relentless pursuit of mediocrity. If we continue this way, we will continue to devalue our own worth in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with you. This has certainly been a year in which &#8216;the best lack all conviction, and the worst are filled with passionate intensity.&#8217; However I have valued and appreciated your insights and your sharp intellect over the year, and thank you for your continuing to raise the intellectual bar. I entirely agree that Mr Cliff&#8217;s comments were crass in the extreme. There is a strong tendency in SA at the moment towards a &#8216;dumbing down&#8217; or celebrating the lowest common denominator and the relentless pursuit of mediocrity. If we continue this way, we will continue to devalue our own worth in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American who has travelled frequently to South Africa, let me assure you that America is every bit as hypocritical as South Africa.

Here in America, there are large groups of &#039;Christian&#039; and &#039;Catholic&#039; heterosexuals lurking about the country and state-by-state they are implementing Apartheid toward gay citizens.  Actually going into voting booths and taking away the civil rights of gay citizens.  Not CRIMINAL gay citizens, mind you.  Just ordinary, innocent people.  In the land of the free.  Having their existing civil rights taken away from them by these &#039;religious&#039; hypocrites.

An unfortunately in America and indeed the world, the &#039;Christian&#039; and &#039;Catholic&#039; churches continue to steal the money of the poor and uneducated via a weekly &#039;stupid tax&#039; dropped into a collection plate so that these &#039;men of god&#039; in fancy robes can continue building their city of solid gold in Rome.

We have been lied to by these people.  We have been bamboozled by these &#039;men of god.&#039;  They are not interested in god or his message.

The want nothing but our MONEY.

You can not buy god.  You will not find him in these churches. You can not buy redemption and salvation.

For god resides in one place, and in one place only.

The human heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American who has travelled frequently to South Africa, let me assure you that America is every bit as hypocritical as South Africa.</p>
<p>Here in America, there are large groups of &#8216;Christian&#8217; and &#8216;Catholic&#8217; heterosexuals lurking about the country and state-by-state they are implementing Apartheid toward gay citizens.  Actually going into voting booths and taking away the civil rights of gay citizens.  Not CRIMINAL gay citizens, mind you.  Just ordinary, innocent people.  In the land of the free.  Having their existing civil rights taken away from them by these &#8216;religious&#8217; hypocrites.</p>
<p>An unfortunately in America and indeed the world, the &#8216;Christian&#8217; and &#8216;Catholic&#8217; churches continue to steal the money of the poor and uneducated via a weekly &#8216;stupid tax&#8217; dropped into a collection plate so that these &#8216;men of god&#8217; in fancy robes can continue building their city of solid gold in Rome.</p>
<p>We have been lied to by these people.  We have been bamboozled by these &#8216;men of god.&#8217;  They are not interested in god or his message.</p>
<p>The want nothing but our MONEY.</p>
<p>You can not buy god.  You will not find him in these churches. You can not buy redemption and salvation.</p>
<p>For god resides in one place, and in one place only.</p>
<p>The human heart.</p>
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