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		<title>By: Nkosinathi Khanyile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nkosinathi Khanyile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ JJ Tabane,

Muzi doesn&#039;t necessarily have to focus on other bloggers. You are the author of this one, therefore I see nothing wrong by him scrutinising your views and inclination.

Secondly, if you and your COPE love this country so much, what is it that you have to offer apart from defending the Constitution (from what ? - ANGAZI), and making contradictory statements about BEE)

Your proposed solutions are not known to me, and I guess to most South Africans as well (2009 Elections proved it). This is a very very grey area for me, would you mind shedding some light there?

Yours sincerely
Nkosinathi Khanyile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JJ Tabane,</p>
<p>Muzi doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to focus on other bloggers. You are the author of this one, therefore I see nothing wrong by him scrutinising your views and inclination.</p>
<p>Secondly, if you and your COPE love this country so much, what is it that you have to offer apart from defending the Constitution (from what ? &#8211; ANGAZI), and making contradictory statements about BEE)</p>
<p>Your proposed solutions are not known to me, and I guess to most South Africans as well (2009 Elections proved it). This is a very very grey area for me, would you mind shedding some light there?</p>
<p>Yours sincerely<br />
Nkosinathi Khanyile</p>
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		<title>By: jj Tabane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj Tabane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Muzi....so if i was a member of the ANC it would have meant automatically that I care about the country. Do you always check the political affilitaion of bloggers in order to determine the veracity or integrity of their arguments? And what nerve do you have to determine that my membership of COPE means I dont love my country?? Shame on you for such small minded claptrap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Muzi&#8230;.so if i was a member of the ANC it would have meant automatically that I care about the country. Do you always check the political affilitaion of bloggers in order to determine the veracity or integrity of their arguments? And what nerve do you have to determine that my membership of COPE means I dont love my country?? Shame on you for such small minded claptrap.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with probably most of the points made in the blog. But when I saw that you were a member of COPE, I realised that this was not written because you care about the country. But because you care about defending Mbeki and the opportunists that moved to COPE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with probably most of the points made in the blog. But when I saw that you were a member of COPE, I realised that this was not written because you care about the country. But because you care about defending Mbeki and the opportunists that moved to COPE.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Tabane</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Tabane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paseka thanks for your muted and kind entry. This is a robustr forum I really dont have time for pleasentries and sentiments of people who feel sorry for themselves etc. Just trade in facts and opinions - that is the stuff of debate.

Your point is that I am pointing out the negatives. My Job is not to be a praise singer of government or of anybody for that matter. My business is to point out things as I see fit in the society around me - I dont do it in order only to see the negatives please read all my entries and u will find that I do give credit where it is - rarely due when it comes to this administration.

And so I will continute to cut through the spin...if u say to me 3 million houses were built you must be ready to recieve the news that thousands are being demolished due to corruption and nepotism and cronyism...u cant expext me to clap hands when many people are still using a buckest system because your minister is opneming a couple of taps of clean water...you cant expect me to cheer when u say government gave the poor electricit when today they want to increase the tarif by 170 percent....so expect that this criticisms will come no matter how wonderful u think of your government - the GCIS is there to praise government when it does well - They hire a lot of people. I am not 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paseka thanks for your muted and kind entry. This is a robustr forum I really dont have time for pleasentries and sentiments of people who feel sorry for themselves etc. Just trade in facts and opinions &#8211; that is the stuff of debate.</p>
<p>Your point is that I am pointing out the negatives. My Job is not to be a praise singer of government or of anybody for that matter. My business is to point out things as I see fit in the society around me &#8211; I dont do it in order only to see the negatives please read all my entries and u will find that I do give credit where it is &#8211; rarely due when it comes to this administration.</p>
<p>And so I will continute to cut through the spin&#8230;if u say to me 3 million houses were built you must be ready to recieve the news that thousands are being demolished due to corruption and nepotism and cronyism&#8230;u cant expext me to clap hands when many people are still using a buckest system because your minister is opneming a couple of taps of clean water&#8230;you cant expect me to cheer when u say government gave the poor electricit when today they want to increase the tarif by 170 percent&#8230;.so expect that this criticisms will come no matter how wonderful u think of your government &#8211; the GCIS is there to praise government when it does well &#8211; They hire a lot of people. I am not 1.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ Tabane</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ Tabane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mothibi 
Mothibi 
Mothibi.....debate, the exchange of ideas is not a suibstitue for action and retrospection. You need to get used to the fact that people in society will differ even about the most important things to be done to make this a better society. The fellow who needs a lecturer about not politiking while rome burns is dr.motswaledi not me. 

No amount of emotional/ political  blackmail will stop some of us from speaking out. We will not sit and listen to our intellect being insulted by pseudo political apologists who can never see anything wrong even if it were foisted on them.

So Mothibi yes we all need to play our part but some are paid to do a job to make sure hospitals do not run out of linen...u cant possibly be seriously expecting us to keep quite when these deadly habits of neglect go on.... 

Frankly yours
Onkgopotse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mothibi<br />
Mothibi<br />
Mothibi&#8230;..debate, the exchange of ideas is not a suibstitue for action and retrospection. You need to get used to the fact that people in society will differ even about the most important things to be done to make this a better society. The fellow who needs a lecturer about not politiking while rome burns is dr.motswaledi not me. </p>
<p>No amount of emotional/ political  blackmail will stop some of us from speaking out. We will not sit and listen to our intellect being insulted by pseudo political apologists who can never see anything wrong even if it were foisted on them.</p>
<p>So Mothibi yes we all need to play our part but some are paid to do a job to make sure hospitals do not run out of linen&#8230;u cant possibly be seriously expecting us to keep quite when these deadly habits of neglect go on&#8230;. </p>
<p>Frankly yours<br />
Onkgopotse</p>
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		<title>By: ian shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paseka says:&quot;This incompetent government has delivered over 3 million houses (most of whicjh crumble because built by incompetent ANC patrons), ensured over 85% has access to electricity (which is crumbling because of ESKOM negligence aided by the government&#039;s lack of planning and incompefgtence), water (which is getting more polluted because of teh alck of skills and incompetent local administators)  and sanitation (tyeh bucket system is alive and well!), school nutrition (food monery embezzled), access to education by disadvantaged youth (taught by incompetent teachers who sexually molest children and trade passing grades for sex) and children (still sitting undertress in view of burned and vandalized classrooms), universal health(crumbling hospitals, stolen bedsheets, running out of medicine) and spends billions on social grants for the past 15 years.&quot; Wow, I am proud of you, Paseka, you deserve a government post for your blind sycophancy and servile posturing. You may attack me for writing this, but that would not negate or invalidate one word that I have said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paseka says:&#8221;This incompetent government has delivered over 3 million houses (most of whicjh crumble because built by incompetent ANC patrons), ensured over 85% has access to electricity (which is crumbling because of ESKOM negligence aided by the government&#8217;s lack of planning and incompefgtence), water (which is getting more polluted because of teh alck of skills and incompetent local administators)  and sanitation (tyeh bucket system is alive and well!), school nutrition (food monery embezzled), access to education by disadvantaged youth (taught by incompetent teachers who sexually molest children and trade passing grades for sex) and children (still sitting undertress in view of burned and vandalized classrooms), universal health(crumbling hospitals, stolen bedsheets, running out of medicine) and spends billions on social grants for the past 15 years.&#8221; Wow, I am proud of you, Paseka, you deserve a government post for your blind sycophancy and servile posturing. You may attack me for writing this, but that would not negate or invalidate one word that I have said.</p>
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		<title>By: Mothibi Phosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mothibi Phosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paseka Rakosa on November 30th, 2009 at 8:51 am 
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Paseka, thank you for your sober and rational analysis which has, unfortunately and quite predictably, provoked a somewhat condescending vitriolic response from Cope.

You&#039;re not pelting stones at anyone. You&#039;re simply saying it&#039;s time to put our shoulders to the wheel and harness our energies and resources to eradicate the scourge of AIDS.

Some of us have lost family members and don&#039;t want to see other families going through traumatic experiences of witnessing one&#039;s sister languishing and pining away whilst we, in blogosphere, are slating people for this or that. It&#039;s time to act and not to attack or defend the indefensible.

I&#039;m not sure whether what Dr Motsoaledi did previously has any bearing on his will and ability to lead the campaign against the scourge of HIV and AIDS.

Anyway, what&#039;s essential is for each of us to take responsibility for our actions NOW. Some food for thought:

Am I responsible in terms of the way I conduct my sexual life? Am I promiscuous? Do I put my spouse&#039;s life at risk? Do I use a condom regularly? Do I know my HIV status?

JJ, instead of mauling Dr Motsoaledi or former president Mbeki, we should be grappling with these questions! let&#039;s do some introspection individually and collectively?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paseka Rakosa on November 30th, 2009 at 8:51 am<br />
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Paseka, thank you for your sober and rational analysis which has, unfortunately and quite predictably, provoked a somewhat condescending vitriolic response from Cope.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not pelting stones at anyone. You&#8217;re simply saying it&#8217;s time to put our shoulders to the wheel and harness our energies and resources to eradicate the scourge of AIDS.</p>
<p>Some of us have lost family members and don&#8217;t want to see other families going through traumatic experiences of witnessing one&#8217;s sister languishing and pining away whilst we, in blogosphere, are slating people for this or that. It&#8217;s time to act and not to attack or defend the indefensible.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether what Dr Motsoaledi did previously has any bearing on his will and ability to lead the campaign against the scourge of HIV and AIDS.</p>
<p>Anyway, what&#8217;s essential is for each of us to take responsibility for our actions NOW. Some food for thought:</p>
<p>Am I responsible in terms of the way I conduct my sexual life? Am I promiscuous? Do I put my spouse&#8217;s life at risk? Do I use a condom regularly? Do I know my HIV status?</p>
<p>JJ, instead of mauling Dr Motsoaledi or former president Mbeki, we should be grappling with these questions! let&#8217;s do some introspection individually and collectively?</p>
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		<title>By: Mbuyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mbuyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former President was never a holy cow that JJ seems to purport,this 15 year old or so government is not giving the citizens what we deserve,from health,education,home affairs et alia,blame game is not helping,please citizens let us help this regime get its house in order,blaming them is only counter productive,people need houses,jobs,not tomorow but yesterday,if they can stop spin doctoring and pushing their challenges under carpet,there would be no service delivery protests.As for campaigning,JJ and any one else are free to do so at any platform,stop blaming Mbeki when things happened in the watchful eye of the collective,or are you guys so naive he hypnotised you to agree with him even on things you felt opposed to,come on people do better than this,comrade Zuma please becareful otherwise they will also blame you when you leave office</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former President was never a holy cow that JJ seems to purport,this 15 year old or so government is not giving the citizens what we deserve,from health,education,home affairs et alia,blame game is not helping,please citizens let us help this regime get its house in order,blaming them is only counter productive,people need houses,jobs,not tomorow but yesterday,if they can stop spin doctoring and pushing their challenges under carpet,there would be no service delivery protests.As for campaigning,JJ and any one else are free to do so at any platform,stop blaming Mbeki when things happened in the watchful eye of the collective,or are you guys so naive he hypnotised you to agree with him even on things you felt opposed to,come on people do better than this,comrade Zuma please becareful otherwise they will also blame you when you leave office</p>
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		<title>By: Paseka Rakosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paseka Rakosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JJ, I am also entitled to my opinions and this is a blog to which i also subscribe. I still stand by my earlier response. You used your space to focus only on the negative and i thought there is much you are leaving out which i thought must be considered.

I understand correctly the rules of engagement. I was simply responding to your views which i find really unfortunate. The view that i am sharing is actually echoing what Dr. Mampele Ramphele was alluding to in her article last week regarding the direction of the new Health Ministry and administration under President Jacob Zuma. I am thrilled by your statement that &quot;we are citizens who elected an incompetent government and we are now suffering the consequences&quot;. This is a revelation indeed, i actually thought you voted for somebody else. However, as a citizen you will not be treated differently by this government for all people. 

In fact, I unashamedly voted for this government and will continue to do so for the sometime.

This incompetent government has delivered over 3 million houses, ensured over 85% has access to electricity, water and sanitation, school nutrition, access to education by disadvantaged youth and children, universal health and spends billions on social grants for the past 15 years.

I can continue to count other successes in the economy and other areas of life. But to you this means nothing.

Do not be oversentitive to criticism my dear brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JJ, I am also entitled to my opinions and this is a blog to which i also subscribe. I still stand by my earlier response. You used your space to focus only on the negative and i thought there is much you are leaving out which i thought must be considered.</p>
<p>I understand correctly the rules of engagement. I was simply responding to your views which i find really unfortunate. The view that i am sharing is actually echoing what Dr. Mampele Ramphele was alluding to in her article last week regarding the direction of the new Health Ministry and administration under President Jacob Zuma. I am thrilled by your statement that &#8220;we are citizens who elected an incompetent government and we are now suffering the consequences&#8221;. This is a revelation indeed, i actually thought you voted for somebody else. However, as a citizen you will not be treated differently by this government for all people. </p>
<p>In fact, I unashamedly voted for this government and will continue to do so for the sometime.</p>
<p>This incompetent government has delivered over 3 million houses, ensured over 85% has access to electricity, water and sanitation, school nutrition, access to education by disadvantaged youth and children, universal health and spends billions on social grants for the past 15 years.</p>
<p>I can continue to count other successes in the economy and other areas of life. But to you this means nothing.</p>
<p>Do not be oversentitive to criticism my dear brother.</p>
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		<title>By: MKT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MKT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sipho - there is no boredom here. We are simply stating a simple,honest fact here that: the ANC government has messed and cfuk up the health system in this country.
It&#039;s not Thabo alone - the whole lot! 
Dr Motosaledi CLOSED colleges of Education in Limpopo, now he wants to portray himself as a saviour ? Pulleeez man !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sipho &#8211; there is no boredom here. We are simply stating a simple,honest fact here that: the ANC government has messed and cfuk up the health system in this country.<br />
It&#8217;s not Thabo alone &#8211; the whole lot!<br />
Dr Motosaledi CLOSED colleges of Education in Limpopo, now he wants to portray himself as a saviour ? Pulleeez man !</p>
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