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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ironic that Palestinian mourn the creation of the State of Israel. Without it they would be zero chance of having their own state - today they would simply be Egyptians or Jordanians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironic that Palestinian mourn the creation of the State of Israel. Without it they would be zero chance of having their own state &#8211; today they would simply be Egyptians or Jordanians.</p>
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		<title>By: Castor Troye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Castor Troye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Na&#039;eem,

In your article there are subtle references to conspiracies of Zionist control, backed by &quot;decisions in New York&quot;, yet one tends to forget the &quot;Zionists&quot; won the 1948 War miraculously with odds of a least 3 to 1 against them. Arab armies were complacent in thinking that it would be easy to wipe Israel off the map. If the so called Nakba is seen as the source of grievance and decline of Arabic culture and the bain of its existence, then it doesnt say much for the Arabic world.

Secondly Na&#039;eem, I always admire someone who stands up for noble principles such as human rights and free expression (without promoting hatred). Of course, I am rather skeptical when one uses these garments for the sole purpose of criticising only one country or group of people. I would love to see in your next article your opinions on the the rights of free expression for women and homosexuals in Iran and the recent declaration there that purchasing &quot;western&quot; toys is deemed inappropriate by the Iranian authorities. Coming from the FXI, your opinion on the matter would be most relevant, unless of course, you prefer to limit your writings to Zionist horticulture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Na&#8217;eem,</p>
<p>In your article there are subtle references to conspiracies of Zionist control, backed by &#8220;decisions in New York&#8221;, yet one tends to forget the &#8220;Zionists&#8221; won the 1948 War miraculously with odds of a least 3 to 1 against them. Arab armies were complacent in thinking that it would be easy to wipe Israel off the map. If the so called Nakba is seen as the source of grievance and decline of Arabic culture and the bain of its existence, then it doesnt say much for the Arabic world.</p>
<p>Secondly Na&#8217;eem, I always admire someone who stands up for noble principles such as human rights and free expression (without promoting hatred). Of course, I am rather skeptical when one uses these garments for the sole purpose of criticising only one country or group of people. I would love to see in your next article your opinions on the the rights of free expression for women and homosexuals in Iran and the recent declaration there that purchasing &#8220;western&#8221; toys is deemed inappropriate by the Iranian authorities. Coming from the FXI, your opinion on the matter would be most relevant, unless of course, you prefer to limit your writings to Zionist horticulture?</p>
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		<title>By: Free expressions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free expressions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeenah&#039;s Geobbels-piece conveniently forgets that the Arab/Muslim laim is founded on dispossession, murder, theft, colonialism and racism [the word &quot;kaffir&quot; comes from Arabic, from the slave trade) in the 6th century.  Or does he feel their is a statue of limitations on the rights of the Jews, who have been in Palestine/Canaan/Judah/Israel since biblical times?  The name &quot;Palestine&quot;, used as a derogatory term by the Romans, is derived from the Phonecians and was adopted by Arafat because there WAS no existing Arab nation.
I assume when he talks about the &quot;indigenous&quot; people he hegates the original occupants claim in favour of the descendents of the 6th century colonists.  Of course, if it was not standard Muslim practice to destroy other religions&#039; statues and places of worship, the Mosque in Jerusalem would not be standing on top of the ruins of the Jewish temple and a lot of bloodshed would have been averted.

He neglects to add that when &quot;The months surrounding these two dates witnessed a number of brutal massacres, resulting in the murder and maiming of thousands of people.&quot; many of the victims were innocent Jews.

While freedom of expression is important, this abuse of it is tantamount to shouting &quot;Fire&quot; in a croweded theatre, and makes one wonder whether Cde Jeenah is fit for the post or whether the Institute is just another SABC-type mouthpiece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeenah&#8217;s Geobbels-piece conveniently forgets that the Arab/Muslim laim is founded on dispossession, murder, theft, colonialism and racism [the word &#8220;kaffir&#8221; comes from Arabic, from the slave trade) in the 6th century.  Or does he feel their is a statue of limitations on the rights of the Jews, who have been in Palestine/Canaan/Judah/Israel since biblical times?  The name &#8220;Palestine&#8221;, used as a derogatory term by the Romans, is derived from the Phonecians and was adopted by Arafat because there WAS no existing Arab nation.<br />
I assume when he talks about the &#8220;indigenous&#8221; people he hegates the original occupants claim in favour of the descendents of the 6th century colonists.  Of course, if it was not standard Muslim practice to destroy other religions&#8217; statues and places of worship, the Mosque in Jerusalem would not be standing on top of the ruins of the Jewish temple and a lot of bloodshed would have been averted.</p>
<p>He neglects to add that when &#8220;The months surrounding these two dates witnessed a number of brutal massacres, resulting in the murder and maiming of thousands of people.&#8221; many of the victims were innocent Jews.</p>
<p>While freedom of expression is important, this abuse of it is tantamount to shouting &#8220;Fire&#8221; in a croweded theatre, and makes one wonder whether Cde Jeenah is fit for the post or whether the Institute is just another SABC-type mouthpiece</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Na&#039;eem,

As an Islamic activist, what do you think about the &quot;teddy bear&quot; case?

Did Gillian Gibbons insult Islam ?

Demonstrators, outside the court, shouted that she should be executed. If so, should she be killed by firing squad ? Or stoned to death ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Na&#8217;eem,</p>
<p>As an Islamic activist, what do you think about the &#8220;teddy bear&#8221; case?</p>
<p>Did Gillian Gibbons insult Islam ?</p>
<p>Demonstrators, outside the court, shouted that she should be executed. If so, should she be killed by firing squad ? Or stoned to death ?</p>
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		<title>By: John Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ag Shame, Poor Arab…

Both sides have suffered over the last 60 years but to be honest, there isn’t much you can do about that now. Each time a Palestinian “Freedom Fighter” attacks Israel, the Jews retaliate and Palestinians get killed. 

This current stalemate is a Jews win, Palestinians lose game. The Israeli’s greatest ally isn’t the US but you Palestinians. I doubt that anyone would deny that each time you fail to step up to the plate and negotiate, things get worse, dramatically worse. You also have less to negotiate for. 

It was Henry Kissenger who said “World politics is not about morality but about power and influence”. You’ve lost almost all your power and most of your influence, (particularly in that glorious 7 day war – you can see I’m an old soldier). The longer you leave it, the less you’ll achieve, the better for the Israeli’s, the worse for the Palestinians.

I am also always fascinated by this “Zionism” thing, do your Imams feed you that stuff. Maybe it&#039;s time to try to learn a bit about that diverse group of different races that call themselves Jews, and maybe from independent sources, outside the Mosque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ag Shame, Poor Arab…</p>
<p>Both sides have suffered over the last 60 years but to be honest, there isn’t much you can do about that now. Each time a Palestinian “Freedom Fighter” attacks Israel, the Jews retaliate and Palestinians get killed. </p>
<p>This current stalemate is a Jews win, Palestinians lose game. The Israeli’s greatest ally isn’t the US but you Palestinians. I doubt that anyone would deny that each time you fail to step up to the plate and negotiate, things get worse, dramatically worse. You also have less to negotiate for. </p>
<p>It was Henry Kissenger who said “World politics is not about morality but about power and influence”. You’ve lost almost all your power and most of your influence, (particularly in that glorious 7 day war – you can see I’m an old soldier). The longer you leave it, the less you’ll achieve, the better for the Israeli’s, the worse for the Palestinians.</p>
<p>I am also always fascinated by this “Zionism” thing, do your Imams feed you that stuff. Maybe it&#8217;s time to try to learn a bit about that diverse group of different races that call themselves Jews, and maybe from independent sources, outside the Mosque.</p>
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		<title>By: Khadija Sharife</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khadija Sharife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys

Lets not forget the root of the current problem: the superimposition of Zionism as a political movement formulated in the bosom of European nationalism -
lets not forget that never before in history has a people of the ethnic historiography of the land been marginalized by the economics of the situation - the Zionist foot, not to enhance US policy but to destabilize a region using a contrived context that has no bearing or relation to the situation in palestine, utilising religion as a banner to solidify an occupation, whilst the very nature of the occupation as the reification of a thing divorced from religion stands in strict contradiction.
Lets also not vilify Mr Jeenah simply because he is a man who believes what he is saying and is not morally expedient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys</p>
<p>Lets not forget the root of the current problem: the superimposition of Zionism as a political movement formulated in the bosom of European nationalism -<br />
lets not forget that never before in history has a people of the ethnic historiography of the land been marginalized by the economics of the situation &#8211; the Zionist foot, not to enhance US policy but to destabilize a region using a contrived context that has no bearing or relation to the situation in palestine, utilising religion as a banner to solidify an occupation, whilst the very nature of the occupation as the reification of a thing divorced from religion stands in strict contradiction.<br />
Lets also not vilify Mr Jeenah simply because he is a man who believes what he is saying and is not morally expedient.</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Na&#039;eem, you write:
&quot;Does anyone ask Jews to forget the Nazi genocide against them in the middle of the 20th century when six million of their number were systematically murdered? No!&quot;

Can you remind your readers that the Palestinian leader, known as The Mufti of Jerusalem, in the 1930&#039;s was a close ally to Hitler ? Can you also remind your readers about the Muslim SS division that was set up to kill European jewry ?

Why do you forget to mention the above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Na&#8217;eem, you write:<br />
&#8220;Does anyone ask Jews to forget the Nazi genocide against them in the middle of the 20th century when six million of their number were systematically murdered? No!&#8221;</p>
<p>Can you remind your readers that the Palestinian leader, known as The Mufti of Jerusalem, in the 1930&#8242;s was a close ally to Hitler ? Can you also remind your readers about the Muslim SS division that was set up to kill European jewry ?</p>
<p>Why do you forget to mention the above?</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Na&#039;eem,

Your blog has, unfortunately, quickly descended into Palestine Solidarity Committee (PSC) propaganda. Interesting to consider whether this is what
The Mail and Guardian hoped would emerge.

Your biographical details, posted on Thought Leader, predominantly  reveal your FXI links. In the circumstances, you should be transparent with your readers...

How did you get the position of Director of The Freedom of Expression Institute? Was it handed to you by your predecessor Mr S. Vally ?
Should  Islamic activiists, like yourselves, with a narrow political agenda hijack the FXI in South Africa ? If they should, what does it say about freedom of expression in South Africa ? Is it something that must be controlled by you and fellow activists outside of The FXI?
These are extremely relevant questions because the work of The FXI is potentailly very important. However, you have used The FXI to further your &quot;extra curricular&quot; anti-zionist interests.
Mbeki&#039;s Zikalala hijacked The SABC and The PSC&#039;s Na&#039;eem Jeenah has hijacked The FXI. What hope is there for freedom of expression in South Africa ?? 
In the circumstances, you should resign from The FXI. Of course, it is quiet legitimate for you to attack Israel 24/7 but it is illegitimate to do so  whilst working for The FXI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Na&#8217;eem,</p>
<p>Your blog has, unfortunately, quickly descended into Palestine Solidarity Committee (PSC) propaganda. Interesting to consider whether this is what<br />
The Mail and Guardian hoped would emerge.</p>
<p>Your biographical details, posted on Thought Leader, predominantly  reveal your FXI links. In the circumstances, you should be transparent with your readers&#8230;</p>
<p>How did you get the position of Director of The Freedom of Expression Institute? Was it handed to you by your predecessor Mr S. Vally ?<br />
Should  Islamic activiists, like yourselves, with a narrow political agenda hijack the FXI in South Africa ? If they should, what does it say about freedom of expression in South Africa ? Is it something that must be controlled by you and fellow activists outside of The FXI?<br />
These are extremely relevant questions because the work of The FXI is potentailly very important. However, you have used The FXI to further your &#8220;extra curricular&#8221; anti-zionist interests.<br />
Mbeki&#8217;s Zikalala hijacked The SABC and The PSC&#8217;s Na&#8217;eem Jeenah has hijacked The FXI. What hope is there for freedom of expression in South Africa ??<br />
In the circumstances, you should resign from The FXI. Of course, it is quiet legitimate for you to attack Israel 24/7 but it is illegitimate to do so  whilst working for The FXI.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naeem, there were more Jewish refugees expelled from their Arab homes than there were Palestinians who became refugees.

Your history is one sided and distorted. 

The problem isn&#039;t your nakba my dear friend. The problem is your inability to sympathise with &#039;the other&#039;.

More so, you also fail to ever sympathise with Palestinian victims of Palestinians. You only holler when they are victims of Jews.


&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;At least 15 Palestinians, including a United Nations relief worker, were killed today as Hamas looked set to complete its conquest of the entire Gaza Strip….

Health officials said another 14 protesters were wounded by bullets and brought to the hospital in civilian cars because ambulances couldn’t navigate the heavy fire….

Muhammad Swairki, 28, a cook for Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas’s presidential guard, was thrown to his death, with his hands and legs tied, from a 15-story apartment building in Gaza City on Sunday…

Muhammad al-Ra’fati, a Hamas supporter and mosque preacher, was thrown from a Gaza City high-rise apartment building…

Fatah gunmen began firing mortars and rocket-propelled grenades at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City…

At a hospital in Beit Hanun, three family members with ties to Fatah were killed, and others wounded. Hospital officials reported that the three were being treated for injuries sustained earlier. One was reportedly shot at close range…

Hamas gunmen attacked the home of a Fatah security official with mortars and grenades, killing his 14-year-old son and three women inside, security officials said. Other Fatah gunmen stormed the house of a Hamas lawmaker and burned it down…

Jamal Abu Jadian, a top Fatah commander, fled his home in the northern Gaza Strip Tuesday evening dressed as a woman to avoid dozens of Hamas militiamen who had attacked it. When he arrived at a hospital a few hundred meters away from his house, he was discovered by a group of Hamas gunmen, who took turns shooting him in the head with automatic rifles. ‘They literally blew his head off with more than 40 bullets,’ said a doctor at Kamal Udwan Hospital.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

Over the past 2 years more Palestinians have been killed by Palestinians than by Israelis - yet your rhetoric remains the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naeem, there were more Jewish refugees expelled from their Arab homes than there were Palestinians who became refugees.</p>
<p>Your history is one sided and distorted. </p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t your nakba my dear friend. The problem is your inability to sympathise with &#8216;the other&#8217;.</p>
<p>More so, you also fail to ever sympathise with Palestinian victims of Palestinians. You only holler when they are victims of Jews.</p>
<p><b><i>At least 15 Palestinians, including a United Nations relief worker, were killed today as Hamas looked set to complete its conquest of the entire Gaza Strip….</p>
<p>Health officials said another 14 protesters were wounded by bullets and brought to the hospital in civilian cars because ambulances couldn’t navigate the heavy fire….</p>
<p>Muhammad Swairki, 28, a cook for Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas’s presidential guard, was thrown to his death, with his hands and legs tied, from a 15-story apartment building in Gaza City on Sunday…</p>
<p>Muhammad al-Ra’fati, a Hamas supporter and mosque preacher, was thrown from a Gaza City high-rise apartment building…</p>
<p>Fatah gunmen began firing mortars and rocket-propelled grenades at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City…</p>
<p>At a hospital in Beit Hanun, three family members with ties to Fatah were killed, and others wounded. Hospital officials reported that the three were being treated for injuries sustained earlier. One was reportedly shot at close range…</p>
<p>Hamas gunmen attacked the home of a Fatah security official with mortars and grenades, killing his 14-year-old son and three women inside, security officials said. Other Fatah gunmen stormed the house of a Hamas lawmaker and burned it down…</p>
<p>Jamal Abu Jadian, a top Fatah commander, fled his home in the northern Gaza Strip Tuesday evening dressed as a woman to avoid dozens of Hamas militiamen who had attacked it. When he arrived at a hospital a few hundred meters away from his house, he was discovered by a group of Hamas gunmen, who took turns shooting him in the head with automatic rifles. ‘They literally blew his head off with more than 40 bullets,’ said a doctor at Kamal Udwan Hospital.</i><i></i></b></p>
<p>Over the past 2 years more Palestinians have been killed by Palestinians than by Israelis &#8211; yet your rhetoric remains the same.</p>
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		<title>By: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLACKLISTED DICTATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Na&#039;eem,

What I really admire about you is the way that you so brilliantly combine your roles as spokesperson for The Palestine Solidarity Committee and Director of The Freedom of Expression Institute (FXI). Many people in your positions would end up sullying the reputation of The FXI. However, you have only served to enhance it. 
How do you manage to retain such credibilty ?
Is it because you were breastfed The Truth ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Na&#8217;eem,</p>
<p>What I really admire about you is the way that you so brilliantly combine your roles as spokesperson for The Palestine Solidarity Committee and Director of The Freedom of Expression Institute (FXI). Many people in your positions would end up sullying the reputation of The FXI. However, you have only served to enhance it.<br />
How do you manage to retain such credibilty ?<br />
Is it because you were breastfed The Truth ?</p>
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