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	<title>Comments on: SpeakZA: Can Jacob Zuma be called an apie?</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Eugene Terre&#039;blanche death: Nobody deserves such a fate and I say this not only as a pacifist, but as a fellow human. I hated his politics and violent past, but he was victim of a hate crime and for that South Africa is that much poorer off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Eugene Terre&#8217;blanche death: Nobody deserves such a fate and I say this not only as a pacifist, but as a fellow human. I hated his politics and violent past, but he was victim of a hate crime and for that South Africa is that much poorer off.</p>
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		<title>By: RubinB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RubinB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@X Cepting: Just for info, &quot;apie&quot; is not an ape, it is a monkey. I think it is perfectly allowable to call the Government a bunch of monkeys. They are.
Should Malema be allowed to sing: &quot;Kill the Boer&quot;?
I don&#039;t think so, but if he is, will I be allowed in future to sing &quot;Bobbejaan klim die Berg&quot; every time I see an ANC politician, especially Malema and Zuma?
You see, insults can flow both ways. I don&#039;t think one accomplishes anything by it.
We should rather stop this nonsense, start working together to root out corruption and get service delivery functionaing again. If a bunch of shady characters, black and/or white, fall by the wayside, then so be it!
And to pre-empt our resident lapdog, Dave Harris, let us forget about the past and concentrate on the present and the future. No more backward thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@X Cepting: Just for info, &#8220;apie&#8221; is not an ape, it is a monkey. I think it is perfectly allowable to call the Government a bunch of monkeys. They are.<br />
Should Malema be allowed to sing: &#8220;Kill the Boer&#8221;?<br />
I don&#8217;t think so, but if he is, will I be allowed in future to sing &#8220;Bobbejaan klim die Berg&#8221; every time I see an ANC politician, especially Malema and Zuma?<br />
You see, insults can flow both ways. I don&#8217;t think one accomplishes anything by it.<br />
We should rather stop this nonsense, start working together to root out corruption and get service delivery functionaing again. If a bunch of shady characters, black and/or white, fall by the wayside, then so be it!<br />
And to pre-empt our resident lapdog, Dave Harris, let us forget about the past and concentrate on the present and the future. No more backward thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mkhulu - Allowing journalists to have anonymous sources is vital for reporting. No one would come forward with leaks and insider information if the journalist was forced to show them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mkhulu &#8211; Allowing journalists to have anonymous sources is vital for reporting. No one would come forward with leaks and insider information if the journalist was forced to show them.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>calling people names is one thing &quot; sticks and stones can hurt my bones but words..........etc etc&quot; but inciting to violence puts us right back in apartheid days. My overseas friends wants to know what has changed in South Africa, because they still see the violence, stoning, burning tyres, police with rubber bullets and tear guns. I dont know what has changed for the better. We are all free , but we still hate and mistrust across the races and Malema makes that worse, not to mention his Facebook Fan page, thats doing the rounds on email now. Frightening for all, white black coloured asian , promoting literally a civil war, aimed against white minority groups that would put this country into total upheavel.   I think as educated adults, we should not resort to calling each other names at any level, but rather resort to an adult sit down indaba. We all have to live and work together, let us try and do it in peace and harmony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>calling people names is one thing &#8221; sticks and stones can hurt my bones but words&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.etc etc&#8221; but inciting to violence puts us right back in apartheid days. My overseas friends wants to know what has changed in South Africa, because they still see the violence, stoning, burning tyres, police with rubber bullets and tear guns. I dont know what has changed for the better. We are all free , but we still hate and mistrust across the races and Malema makes that worse, not to mention his Facebook Fan page, thats doing the rounds on email now. Frightening for all, white black coloured asian , promoting literally a civil war, aimed against white minority groups that would put this country into total upheavel.   I think as educated adults, we should not resort to calling each other names at any level, but rather resort to an adult sit down indaba. We all have to live and work together, let us try and do it in peace and harmony.</p>
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		<title>By: Robard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I find Eugene slightly simian&quot; Haha - good one. Isn&#039;t it ironic how it is precisely those whites lowest on the evolutionary ladder who have the most racist attitudes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I find Eugene slightly simian&#8221; Haha &#8211; good one. Isn&#8217;t it ironic how it is precisely those whites lowest on the evolutionary ladder who have the most racist attitudes?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let people say what they like (hatespeech and incitement to violence excluded) and they will sooner (rather than later) show themselves up for who they really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let people say what they like (hatespeech and incitement to violence excluded) and they will sooner (rather than later) show themselves up for who they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mkhulu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mkhulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The media will not be silenced easily.&quot; Nor should the people (including politicians) be silenced easily by media. Media have cried foul when their journos were exposed, hiding behind the meaning of public/private citizen. Malema (I&#039;m not against his lifestyle audit at all)does not work for Goverment nor the journos in question, the difference is, one is popular and others are not. If SA media is serious about rooting-out all forms of corruption and expose it (by politician and everyone else) to general public it must also be prepared to wash-out its closets. We should not be led to believe that &quot;Some animals are more equal than others&quot;. Expecting the media to come out clean is not muzzling them, no amout of words descriptions would the hide the obvious and fair, to all, system. If there are journos recieving their information through wrong doings let them be exposed IN PUBLIC for everyone to know not through behide-doors-commissions. We expect to read fair and just reporting. Journos should not want the dirty laundry of other people to be hanged in public, yet hide theirs in the sake of public citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The media will not be silenced easily.&#8221; Nor should the people (including politicians) be silenced easily by media. Media have cried foul when their journos were exposed, hiding behind the meaning of public/private citizen. Malema (I&#8217;m not against his lifestyle audit at all)does not work for Goverment nor the journos in question, the difference is, one is popular and others are not. If SA media is serious about rooting-out all forms of corruption and expose it (by politician and everyone else) to general public it must also be prepared to wash-out its closets. We should not be led to believe that &#8220;Some animals are more equal than others&#8221;. Expecting the media to come out clean is not muzzling them, no amout of words descriptions would the hide the obvious and fair, to all, system. If there are journos recieving their information through wrong doings let them be exposed IN PUBLIC for everyone to know not through behide-doors-commissions. We expect to read fair and just reporting. Journos should not want the dirty laundry of other people to be hanged in public, yet hide theirs in the sake of public citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: Benzol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benzol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I worry about looks? Sometimes,when chatting up a bird ! 

But if someone has climbed through the ranks, his looks are less important than his achievements.

Yes, Pres Zuma does not look like a beauty queen. But how many politicians do??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I worry about looks? Sometimes,when chatting up a bird ! </p>
<p>But if someone has climbed through the ranks, his looks are less important than his achievements.</p>
<p>Yes, Pres Zuma does not look like a beauty queen. But how many politicians do??</p>
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		<title>By: X Cepting</title>
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		<dc:creator>X Cepting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To call Zuma an ape would be factually incorrect, and to which party the insult would be leveled debatable, but, anyone should be able to express such a viewpoint, I agree.  We are not all equally in touch with reality it seems and should be patient with those who are not and who need a placebo to understand.  I for one like apes, they have societies that actually work for them and with the rest of nature and it does not need a Constitution to enforce.  What is really annoying about homo sap is their tendency to guestimate a person&#039;s mental and spiritual worth from physique alone and then to generalise across a whole group these characteristics.  

One get leader apes and follower apes, big apes and teensy apes, grey apes, stripey apes, even orange apes.  It tells one nothing about their individual contributions or not to their societies and their right to do so, which is the crux here, not so?  

Now, threatening a life is different, again, agreed, but surely this tactic has been used by the ANC since pre-freedom days, why are people shocked at this latest blackmail attempt to silence the media?  

It was farfetched and foolish of most of us (myself included) to expect that certain elements in the ANC would settle down and become nice little democrats, especially after the poisonous amounts of indoctrination most were subjected to to become good little party members and follow orders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To call Zuma an ape would be factually incorrect, and to which party the insult would be leveled debatable, but, anyone should be able to express such a viewpoint, I agree.  We are not all equally in touch with reality it seems and should be patient with those who are not and who need a placebo to understand.  I for one like apes, they have societies that actually work for them and with the rest of nature and it does not need a Constitution to enforce.  What is really annoying about homo sap is their tendency to guestimate a person&#8217;s mental and spiritual worth from physique alone and then to generalise across a whole group these characteristics.  </p>
<p>One get leader apes and follower apes, big apes and teensy apes, grey apes, stripey apes, even orange apes.  It tells one nothing about their individual contributions or not to their societies and their right to do so, which is the crux here, not so?  </p>
<p>Now, threatening a life is different, again, agreed, but surely this tactic has been used by the ANC since pre-freedom days, why are people shocked at this latest blackmail attempt to silence the media?  </p>
<p>It was farfetched and foolish of most of us (myself included) to expect that certain elements in the ANC would settle down and become nice little democrats, especially after the poisonous amounts of indoctrination most were subjected to to become good little party members and follow orders.</p>
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