Comments on: Africans do not (often) keep dogs as pets http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mr Multiple Fake Names http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-2/#comment-113361 Mr Multiple Fake Names Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:22:52 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-113361 I really would like to see someone take on these gun nutters in a Thought Leader blog, see comments further up. I have done a bit of research into gun ownership and their reasoning and arguments are shallow. :-)) I really would like to see someone take on these gun nutters in a Thought Leader blog, see comments further up.

I have done a bit of research into gun ownership and their reasoning and arguments are shallow.

:-) )

]]> By: Michael Francis http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-2/#comment-113208 Michael Francis Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:10 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-113208 Obel, You have clearly missed the point about different cultural behaviours and attitudes towards dogs. Oprah is African-American and shares no cultural commonality with South Africans so her dog magazine is irrelevant. I also do mention that there is diversity within Zulu views towards their dogs where some are kept as pets. I would guess that you are not South African and have no idea of the land or people. I suggest you re-read what I actually wrote. Obel,
You have clearly missed the point about different cultural behaviours and attitudes towards dogs. Oprah is African-American and shares no cultural commonality with South Africans so her dog magazine is irrelevant. I also do mention that there is diversity within Zulu views towards their dogs where some are kept as pets. I would guess that you are not South African and have no idea of the land or people. I suggest you re-read what I actually wrote.

]]> By: obel http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-2/#comment-109498 obel Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:40:16 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-109498 Africa and Europe, very bad combination; black vs white, very sharp binaries. very immature article, the homogeneity borders on a lack of critical race theory and mind, the stereotyping shows a typical lack a deep thinker. lastly, its obvious you have never read about other blacks who love their dogs as much as the white people you want to pit against. Oprah details her love for her dogs which are taken care of that she even committed a copy of her magazine to dogs...so please, do your research, people of colour do have a love and doting relationship with their dogs. Africa and Europe, very bad combination; black vs white, very sharp binaries. very immature article, the homogeneity borders on a lack of critical race theory and mind, the stereotyping shows a typical lack a deep thinker. lastly, its obvious you have never read about other blacks who love their dogs as much as the white people you want to pit against. Oprah details her love for her dogs which are taken care of that she even committed a copy of her magazine to dogs…so please, do your research, people of colour do have a love and doting relationship with their dogs.

]]> By: Nydia Simoes http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-2/#comment-106402 Nydia Simoes Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:23:13 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-106402 I miss Memphis, and your post reminded me of some of the reasons why I miss it. I'm planning a vacation there in the <a href="http://memphisu.com/beale/things-to-do-in-memphis-tn-during-the-spring-part-4/" rel="nofollow">spring of next year</a>. I am so excited about it. I miss Memphis, and your post reminded me of some of the reasons why I miss it. I’m planning a vacation there in the spring of next year. I am so excited about it.

]]> By: Martin Hedington http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-2/#comment-105218 Martin Hedington Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:52:40 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-105218 Very well put Mr Nortje. And yes, its been conclusively proven, by empirical, factual, peer-reviewed research, (by non-pro-gun researchers academics), that your statement is entirely correct, "More Guns" actually do "equal Less Crime, its an inarguable fact. Very well put Mr Nortje. And yes, its been conclusively proven, by empirical, factual, peer-reviewed research, (by non-pro-gun researchers academics), that your statement is entirely correct, “More Guns” actually do “equal Less Crime, its an inarguable fact.

]]> By: Bodie http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-1/#comment-104594 Bodie Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:30:45 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-104594 @once again (not so) wise old joe [I think you have reached your *sell by* date, dude] MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME!!!! The FACTS speak for themselves. However - you gun prohibitionists don't let the truth interfere with your evil agenda, do you? Continue your lying - keep it up - I am not as subtle as Brett - I promise NEVER to use my firearms to protect you., your wife, your mother, your daughter Problem is, I can never keep that promise as I am a sheepdog and I will ALWAYS look after you. I wish I could take you and yours back with me to witness villages in Bosnia, Serbia, Owamboland, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Ruanda and a few more to see what became of those villagers that had no guns... you would puke up your dinner! Your children would curse your name if they knew what disarmament(gun control) and victim disarmament resulted in. HOW DARE YOU??? HOW DARE YOU?????? @once again (not so) wise old joe [I think you have reached your *sell by* date, dude]

MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME!!!! The FACTS speak for themselves.

However – you gun prohibitionists don’t let the truth interfere with your evil agenda, do you?

Continue your lying – keep it up – I am not as subtle as Brett – I promise NEVER to use my firearms to protect you., your wife, your mother, your daughter

Problem is, I can never keep that promise as I am a sheepdog and I will ALWAYS look after you.

I wish I could take you and yours back with me to witness villages in Bosnia, Serbia, Owamboland, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Ruanda and a few more to see what became of those villagers that had no guns… you would puke up your dinner!

Your children would curse your name if they knew what disarmament(gun control) and victim disarmament resulted in.

HOW DARE YOU???

HOW DARE YOU??????

]]> By: Dave Joubert http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-1/#comment-104592 Dave Joubert Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:52:01 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-104592 Well balanced article. I have some concerns, a hunting dog needs to be lean but surely not emaciated. When wild animals are in the state that many dogs are in SA and Namibia they are starving, not optimal for hunting. I think people have to do some reflection on that and not just knee jerk decide because its my culture i'll do it. Its nonsense also to equate a care for animals with a disregard for human life. I believe (i may be wrong) that dogs in China that are used for food are bred in farms, Chinese people also keep dogs as pets. So there is nothing too weird about that if you think about it. Finally, when I was around 20 I worked at the world of birds in Hout Bay pretty much as a labourer. I had to take a pay check to a colleague who lived with his very wealthy mother in Newlands in a mansion. When I opened the gate I was immediately attacked by their Alsation and bitten on the leg. I was assured by the owner that the dogs never attacked someone like that before. I was wearing overalls. These dogs were classist never mind racist!!!! Well balanced article. I have some concerns, a hunting dog needs to be lean but surely not emaciated. When wild animals are in the state that many dogs are in SA and Namibia they are starving, not optimal for hunting. I think people have to do some reflection on that and not just knee jerk decide because its my culture i’ll do it. Its nonsense also to equate a care for animals with a disregard for human life. I believe (i may be wrong) that dogs in China that are used for food are bred in farms, Chinese people also keep dogs as pets. So there is nothing too weird about that if you think about it.

Finally, when I was around 20 I worked at the world of birds in Hout Bay pretty much as a labourer. I had to take a pay check to a colleague who lived with his very wealthy mother in Newlands in a mansion. When I opened the gate I was immediately attacked by their Alsation and bitten on the leg. I was assured by the owner that the dogs never attacked someone like that before. I was wearing overalls. These dogs were classist never mind racist!!!!

]]> By: Brett Nortje http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-1/#comment-104431 Brett Nortje Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:12:09 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-104431 Minutes: Mr Mpumelelo Mpisi, from the research unit led the presentation Programme: Visible Policing The programme had recorded a total of 1 223 505 arrests compared to 1 274 602 in the previous financial year. It also saw the recovery of 13 675 firearms, up from 12 765 firearms recovered in the 2007/08 financial year. Mr Mpisi said that most of the firearms recovered were R4 and R5 rifles and it was common knowledge that in the majority of robbery cases, R5 rifles were mostly used. It raised a critical question which was how criminals were getting hold of those weapons since the SAPS was the main custodian of R5 rifles. He said it would be interesting to know how many of the recovered firearms belonged to SAPS and how many were linked to crime scenes Minutes:

Mr Mpumelelo Mpisi, from the research unit led the presentation

Programme: Visible Policing
The programme had recorded a total of 1 223 505 arrests compared to 1 274 602 in the previous financial year. It also saw the recovery of 13 675 firearms, up from 12 765 firearms recovered in
the 2007/08 financial year. Mr Mpisi said that most of the firearms recovered were R4 and R5 rifles and it was common knowledge that in the majority of robbery cases, R5 rifles were
mostly used. It raised a critical question which was how criminals were getting hold of those weapons since the SAPS was the main custodian of R5 rifles. He said it would be interesting
to know how many of the recovered firearms belonged to SAPS and how many were linked to crime scenes

]]> By: Brett Nortje http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-1/#comment-104430 Brett Nortje Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:10:03 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-104430 Preparatory Workshop on Department of Police Annual Report Date of Meeting: 13 Oct 2009 Chairperson: Ms S Chikunga (ANC) Portfolio Committee workshop on Department of Police's 2008/09 Annual Report Summary: The Police Portfolio Committee research team gave a workshop on the Annual Report due to be presented by the South African Police Service (SAPS). The workshop focused on each SAPS programme and the work done in the 2008/09 financial year. The main programmes singled out were Administration, Visible Policing, Detective Services and the expenditure analysis and findings of the Auditor-General. It was reported, that the Administration programme had done well in achieving some of its set targets. A total of 182 754 posts were filled out of a total 183 180 created posts. Even though a huge number of personnel had terminated their service (3 310), over 14 611 police officers, a bulk of them being entry level appointments, had been recruited. A lot of resources was reported to being channelled towards the visible policing programme. It was through this programme that over 13 675 firearms had been recovered, most of those being R5 and R4 rifles which are mainly in the custody of the SAPS and the South African National Defence Force (SANDF). Detective services showed significant improvements, which worryingly for the Committee was not matched by high conviction rates... Preparatory Workshop on Department of Police Annual Report

Date of Meeting:
13 Oct 2009
Chairperson:
Ms S Chikunga (ANC)
Portfolio Committee workshop on Department of Police’s 2008/09 Annual Report

Summary:
The Police Portfolio Committee research team gave a workshop on the Annual Report due to be presented by the South African Police
Service (SAPS). The workshop focused on each SAPS programme and the work done in the 2008/09 financial year. The main programmes
singled out were Administration, Visible Policing, Detective Services and the expenditure analysis and findings of the Auditor-General. It was reported, that the Administration programme had done well in achieving some of its set targets. A
total of 182 754 posts were filled out of a total 183 180 created posts. Even though a huge number of personnel had terminated their service (3 310), over 14 611 police officers, a bulk of them being entry level appointments, had been recruited. A lot of resources was reported to being channelled towards the visible policing programme. It was through this programme that over 13 675 firearms had been recovered, most of those being R5 and R4
rifles which are mainly in the custody of the SAPS and the South African National Defence Force (SANDF). Detective services showed
significant improvements, which worryingly for the Committee was not matched by high conviction rates…

]]> By: Wise Old Joe http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/comment-page-1/#comment-104294 Wise Old Joe Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:22:38 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/03/africans-do-not-often-keep-dogs-as-pets/#comment-104294 Oops..Brett again So pleased the "Lord has smiled" on you by advising people how to kill a criminal or two. I guess the Lord also smiled on the Crusaders, and the Church when they were burning witches, and even George W Bush when he lied about weapons of mass destrution and invaded Iraq. Oops..Brett again

So pleased the “Lord has smiled” on you by advising people how to kill a criminal or two.

I guess the Lord also smiled on the Crusaders, and the Church when they were burning witches, and even George W Bush when he lied about weapons of mass destrution and invaded Iraq.

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