Comments on: Culture can and does change http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sipho http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-104172 Sipho Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:38:27 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-104172 @ Dapper - if insulting and undermining others make you feel great I can't help you.Your approach to a debate is criminal except that yours is not physical. Can you politely tell me why I should explain my tradition and culture to you. @ Dapper – if insulting and undermining others make you feel great I can’t help you.Your approach to a debate is criminal except that yours is not physical. Can you politely tell me why I should explain my tradition and culture to you.

]]> By: Michael Francis http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-104081 Michael Francis Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:22:39 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-104081 @kerry of course my analysis in antho centric. I am afterall an anthropologist and a human. I do not need to know the bulls perspective to judge an event or spectacle as right or wrong I can do so from a human perspective and indeed to do so from the bulls is to imbue them with human characteristics and values. @kerry of course my analysis in antho centric. I am afterall an anthropologist and a human. I do not need to know the bulls perspective to judge an event or spectacle as right or wrong I can do so from a human perspective and indeed to do so from the bulls is to imbue them with human characteristics and values.

]]> By: Animal lover http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-104077 Animal lover Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:14:23 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-104077 Ghandi always said that a nation can be judged by the way it treats it's animals. Say no more .... Ghandi always said that a nation can be judged by the way it treats it’s animals. Say no more ….

]]> By: David Marks http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-104042 David Marks Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:47:27 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-104042 Come on people! Don't do a Julius (colourful hate-speech) on us, and get personal; it doesn't further the archaic culture debate and it makes savages of you. Human savagery exists – period! Usually in defense of some lame religion or paranoid so-called traditional culture, true – but all humans are guilty. Grow up and get a LIF. Maybe this will help you? Shawn De Waal's enlightening critique (as it were... more an illumination) on two books by SAfrican writers, Rian Malan & Jacob Dlamini (M&G Friday) could put your blind race hate into a more enlightened historic perspective? If no (comprehendo) I won’t even hazarded a guess as to what your reaction to them (and Shawn’s article) would be. Sadly typical and savage, I predict!? Sorry ‘bout that! Come on people! Don’t do a Julius (colourful hate-speech) on us, and get personal; it doesn’t further the archaic culture debate and it makes savages of you. Human savagery exists – period! Usually in defense of some lame religion or paranoid so-called traditional culture, true – but all humans are guilty. Grow up and get a LIF. Maybe this will help you? Shawn De Waal’s enlightening critique (as it were… more an illumination) on two books by SAfrican writers, Rian Malan & Jacob Dlamini (M&G Friday) could put your blind race hate into a more enlightened historic perspective? If no (comprehendo) I won’t even hazarded a guess as to what your reaction to them (and Shawn’s article) would be. Sadly typical and savage, I predict!? Sorry ‘bout that!

]]> By: Michael Francis http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-104029 Michael Francis Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:22:13 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-104029 @dre - as usual you make sense. Functionalism is dead not because it is wrong but because it is trite. Culture works as it must but there are larger interpretative frameworks and such that can be spoken of. @dre – as usual you make sense. Functionalism is dead not because it is wrong but because it is trite. Culture works as it must but there are larger interpretative frameworks and such that can be spoken of.

]]> By: Michael Francis http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-104027 Michael Francis Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:06:27 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-104027 @david marks - I lied culture does not change as it is not a thing. Culture is a process that is always in flux and ways subject to interpretation and not just by outsiders. It is the very interpretation that always gives it meaning @david marks – I lied culture does not change as it is not a thing. Culture is a process that is always in flux and ways subject to interpretation and not just by outsiders. It is the very interpretation that always gives it meaning

]]> By: Blip http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-104000 Blip Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:10:45 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-104000 Zulus with their primitive bull-torturing ritual appear to see themselves as something special; hovering above the rest of humanity? They're not. Animal rights activists have far more aggrssively attacked fellow white people too for having savagery as ritual/ tradition/ culture: they've all but ended traditional English foxhunts. They've created an absolute firestorm of protest around bullfighting and the running at Pamplona. They've almost put a complete end to commercial whaling and there it is the Japanese and the Icelanders and Norwegians who are flensed in public. So the whining Zulus are in very good entirely multiracial company when they are being skewered by negative public opinion. They should cease being such cry-babies, banging their "your are a racist" bongo drum. Fact it, this brutish ritual has to end. Zulus with their primitive bull-torturing ritual appear to see themselves as something special; hovering above the rest of humanity?

They’re not.

Animal rights activists have far more aggrssively attacked fellow white people too for having savagery as ritual/ tradition/ culture: they’ve all but ended traditional English foxhunts. They’ve created an absolute firestorm of protest around bullfighting and the running at Pamplona. They’ve almost put a complete end to commercial whaling and there it is the Japanese and the Icelanders and Norwegians who are flensed in public.

So the whining Zulus are in very good entirely multiracial company when they are being skewered by negative public opinion.

They should cease being such cry-babies, banging their “your are a racist” bongo drum.

Fact it, this brutish ritual has to end.

]]> By: dapper http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-103993 dapper Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:47:26 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-103993 Sipho I admit white people have done some awfull things. But compared to what you Black guys have done in Africa to your own people is a criminal act on hunmannity. I do not have to explain anything to you because you are behind the times, you blame everything on apartheid and you will do untill time immemorial.Its not only about killing bulls, its about killing people, rape, killing children every day every night. Unfortunately until respect for animal or human life prevails nothing will change. What a sad world we live in!! Sipho
I admit white people have done some awfull things. But compared to what you Black guys have done in Africa to your own people is a criminal act on hunmannity. I do not have to explain anything to you because you are behind the times, you blame everything on apartheid and you will do untill time immemorial.Its not only about killing bulls, its about killing people, rape, killing children every day every night. Unfortunately until respect for animal or human life prevails nothing will change. What a sad world we live in!!

]]> By: dapper http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-103990 dapper Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:19:02 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-103990 You are all in need of a call to reality.Killing Bulls, Killing Seals,in other countries, what gives you the right to kill for culture or tradition?? You are savages, blood thirsty people. You make me vomit. I hope the skins you dress in rise up one day and kill you all who have taken part in this vile so called ceremony. The direct translation for ceremony is (the formal actions carried out on an important occasion , e.g. at a wedding or a funeral.May you all rot in HELL You are all in need of a call to reality.Killing Bulls, Killing Seals,in other countries, what gives you the right to kill for culture or tradition?? You are savages, blood thirsty people. You make me vomit. I hope the skins you dress in rise up one day and kill you all who have taken part in this vile so called ceremony. The direct translation for ceremony is (the formal actions carried out on an important occasion , e.g. at a wedding or a funeral.May you all rot in HELL

]]> By: Brett Nortje http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/comment-page-1/#comment-103950 Brett Nortje Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:00:24 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/12/02/custom-culture-and-tradition-ukweshwama-and-other-rituals/#comment-103950 Siza and Dumisane, I challenge you publicly to substantiate your crude racist generalisations. Give us the statistics! How many of the perpretrators of homicide where the victims are white, are black? How many of the perpretrators of homicide where the victims are black, are white? Rates per/100 000 are fine, it is a generally accepted epidimiological tool. Give us the statistics, or stand condemned as shameless liars! While you are at it, tell us how often the incidents occur that you complain of. Siza and Dumisane, I challenge you publicly to substantiate your crude racist generalisations.

Give us the statistics!

How many of the perpretrators of homicide where the victims are white, are black?
How many of the perpretrators of homicide where the victims are black, are white?

Rates per/100 000 are fine, it is a generally accepted epidimiological tool.

Give us the statistics, or stand condemned as shameless liars!

While you are at it, tell us how often the incidents occur that you complain of.

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