http://www.sprword.com/videos/earthlings/

You can do anything you like with statistics and so can I. I (very almost but not quiet) nearly passed the lowest grade in statistics at varsity, what formal training in statistics do you have?

I am very stupid on a lot of things, sorry bout that but what do you mean by “Proposing the eschewing of industrial processes which produce fully half the entire fixed nitrogen available to the planet on the grounds that such is ‘not sustainable’ is not a ‘progressive solution’ to anything.” ? Kindly elaborate. Soory me bit stupid.

If 6 billion are fed to obesity and 800 000 underfed, is there not soemthing wrong, soorie me a beet stupeed??? Please expalin abeet more.

You say “There is no turning the tide as long as an increasing number desire the perceived benefits and trappings of our industrial civilization over an agrarian existence.”

They have to be educated in the difference between percieved benefits and real benefits. Do you agree with that or noT?

Regarding urbanization trends;

Honduras
Urban population: 48% of total (2008)
Rate of urbanization: +2.9% annual rate of change (2005-10)

Guatemala
Urban population: 49% of total (2008)
Rate of urbanization: +3.4% annual rate of change (2005-10)

Sources: Nationmaster, World Factbook

This contrasts with the global average of +1.8%, and scarcely represents success in ‘reversing’ rural migration.

Proposing the eschewing of industrial processes which produce fully half the entire fixed nitrogen available to the planet on the grounds that such is ‘not sustainable’ is not a ‘progressive solution’ to anything.

Everybody knows, or at least some of us know that our entire fossil energy based industrial civilization is not ultimately sustainable.
Is ‘sustainability’ the only criterion by which human action is to be assessed?

The ‘failure’ of the current system focuses upon the 800million, who are primarily victims of regional conflicts and geopolitics (not farming methods), and ignores the 6 billion who are successfully fed. (and often overfed to obesity)

There is no turning the tide as long as an increasing number desire the perceived benefits and trappings of our industrial civilization over an agrarian existence.

Eventually they will no longer have this choice.

Thanks for the cartoon link. That was my argument about our last general election in SA.

In more ways than one I am an anarchist but did not know it. Maybe not a pure anarchist but very strong leanings.

Thanks for clarifying.

Every success with your mission then!:)

Extending from this, and given that anarchism is fundamentally opposed to exploitative, hierarchical or hegemonic relationships, one can easily construct a cogent argument for animal rights (and therefore veganism) being a necessary part of a properly comprehensive anarchism.

One of the first people to write about this was Brian Dominick: http://zinelibrary.info/files/animalandrevolution.pdf

“Only a perspective and lifestyle based on true compassion can destroy the oppressive constructs of present society and begin anew in creating desirable relationships and realities. This, to me, is the essence of anarchy. No one who fails to embrace all struggles against oppression as her or his own fits my definition of an anarchist. That may seem like a lot to ask, but I will never stop asking it of every human being.”

- Brian A. Dominick, Animal Liberation and Social Revolution: a vegan perspective on anarchism or an anarchist perspective on veganism

Also see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganarchism

Goes to show that a lot of vegans are *far* from single issue

I like the concept of anarchism. Noem Chompsky is one of my favorite authors and to the best of my knowledge an anarchist.

Anachism has been around for a while but never become popular, I think it is very difficult to sell to a broad based electorate. Ordinary people wants policies in black and white, i.e. free market or centrally controlled. To reach consensus on an issue leaves most people very insecure, they would never vote for such a party.

Voters want concrete promises that will deliver in their best interests, they don’t want someone elses interests to be served in the name of direct democracy, now matter how high minded the principle is. – Your comments.

@Perry

It is not activists who are dictating what must be done, it is large financial interests and dictatorial politicians. The last thing powermongers want is anarchism, then they cannot dictate “free trade” on their terms.

You know as well as I do that you cannot just tell the US government to do away with agricultural subsidies, that is why we need activists to raise public awareness on the issue.

The activists I know are far more open minded and less pedantic or dictatorially minded than the general public.