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	<title>Comments on: Farming meat is not evil, and I support the seal hunt</title>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why I am a vegetarian.

http://www.sprword.com/videos/earthlings/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why I am a vegetarian.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sprword.com/videos/earthlings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sprword.com/videos/earthlings/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gaby Guillotine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaby Guillotine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...a far worse industry than meat producers in terms of global impact and environmental impact&quot;

I understand what you&#039;re getting at here, but there&#039;s a lot to be said for one living with one&#039;s contradictions. Paul has chosen to look out for animals, already making a big difference for the environment for the better. The fact that his plastic coat is bad for the Earth doesn&#039;t change all the benefits of living cruelty free.

And the seal hunt? I think the Canadian government can find another way of keeping the aboriginal populations going. How about some education and then some real jobs??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;a far worse industry than meat producers in terms of global impact and environmental impact&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re getting at here, but there&#8217;s a lot to be said for one living with one&#8217;s contradictions. Paul has chosen to look out for animals, already making a big difference for the environment for the better. The fact that his plastic coat is bad for the Earth doesn&#8217;t change all the benefits of living cruelty free.</p>
<p>And the seal hunt? I think the Canadian government can find another way of keeping the aboriginal populations going. How about some education and then some real jobs??</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that no one is addressing the OTHER part of this blog.. the bit about the seal hunt.
@Michael Francis
Would you care to respond to any of those who have refuted your claims that the &quot;little baby white coats that appear on youtube being clubbed to death are no longer hunted&quot; and &quot;Seals are not skinned alive&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that no one is addressing the OTHER part of this blog.. the bit about the seal hunt.<br />
@Michael Francis<br />
Would you care to respond to any of those who have refuted your claims that the &#8220;little baby white coats that appear on youtube being clubbed to death are no longer hunted&#8221; and &#8220;Seals are not skinned alive&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aragorn Eloff - SA Vegan Society</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aragorn Eloff - SA Vegan Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah: Climate change doesn&#039;t stop at man-made borders. Nevertheless, those of us advocating environmental responsibility are acutely aware that a specific engagement with issues of &#039;tradition&#039; and cultural identification is required to reach the majority of South Africans.

The recent growth of veganism in the townships is encouraging in this regard, as is the composition of attendance at recent local protests around energy provision, pollution, etc.

@Zoo Keeper: Given the provision of comprehensive data on how diet affects climate (more than population, given the stats on regulatory mechanisms) and also your ostensibly genuine concern around environmental issues, why do you still consistently ignore the diet issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah: Climate change doesn&#8217;t stop at man-made borders. Nevertheless, those of us advocating environmental responsibility are acutely aware that a specific engagement with issues of &#8216;tradition&#8217; and cultural identification is required to reach the majority of South Africans.</p>
<p>The recent growth of veganism in the townships is encouraging in this regard, as is the composition of attendance at recent local protests around energy provision, pollution, etc.</p>
<p>@Zoo Keeper: Given the provision of comprehensive data on how diet affects climate (more than population, given the stats on regulatory mechanisms) and also your ostensibly genuine concern around environmental issues, why do you still consistently ignore the diet issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Taynton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Taynton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah Britten

You have a point but will the masses in any country, even Canada, appreciate this debate?

Keep in mind that traditionally Africans ate very little meat, mostly on ceremonial occasions. Westernisation has brought voracious meat eating to them along with the associated health problems.

But yes, I would like to see the debate focus more on African agriculture, its challenges and the potential solutions.</description>
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<p>You have a point but will the masses in any country, even Canada, appreciate this debate?</p>
<p>Keep in mind that traditionally Africans ate very little meat, mostly on ceremonial occasions. Westernisation has brought voracious meat eating to them along with the associated health problems.</p>
<p>But yes, I would like to see the debate focus more on African agriculture, its challenges and the potential solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Counter Spin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Counter Spin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zoo Keeper

Questioning is one thing, unfortunately your posts regurgitate almost word for word spin put out by right wing think tanks and industry spin doctors.

The following statement by you is a dead give away: &quot;The warmest years on record were 1934 and 1998. The earth has gradually cooled whilst emmissions have increased over the past 10 years, especially since China decided to catch up.&quot;

Not an iota of mainstream science to substantiate that drivel. But check out every right wing political blog site, you will get crucified if you dispute it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zoo Keeper</p>
<p>Questioning is one thing, unfortunately your posts regurgitate almost word for word spin put out by right wing think tanks and industry spin doctors.</p>
<p>The following statement by you is a dead give away: &#8220;The warmest years on record were 1934 and 1998. The earth has gradually cooled whilst emmissions have increased over the past 10 years, especially since China decided to catch up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not an iota of mainstream science to substantiate that drivel. But check out every right wing political blog site, you will get crucified if you dispute it.</p>
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		<title>By: david_c</title>
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		<dc:creator>david_c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read this entire discussion I feel that Aragorn (and Andrew) have sufficiently addressed the ethics of this issue. Both in form and content they have argued their case with clarity and precision, not losing sight of the core issues or ethics or going off on a tangent (rightly identified as a &quot;straw man&quot;).

Either people choose to honestly confront the facts that have been succinctly laid out before them (and confront the inherent ambiguity in their support of what still remains an exploitative and abusive industry), or they can continue to bury their heads and reasoning in the sand whilst trying to convince themselves they lead &#039;ethical&#039; lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read this entire discussion I feel that Aragorn (and Andrew) have sufficiently addressed the ethics of this issue. Both in form and content they have argued their case with clarity and precision, not losing sight of the core issues or ethics or going off on a tangent (rightly identified as a &#8220;straw man&#8221;).</p>
<p>Either people choose to honestly confront the facts that have been succinctly laid out before them (and confront the inherent ambiguity in their support of what still remains an exploitative and abusive industry), or they can continue to bury their heads and reasoning in the sand whilst trying to convince themselves they lead &#8216;ethical&#8217; lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoo Keeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoo Keeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Counter Spin

Sorry to dissapoint you but I hold no candle for the oil industry or any other industry for that matter. I genuinely think that population growth is out of control and has an impact. More people means more food production means more energy consumption means more polution means more etc. 

Just wait till those poor 800million-odd attain a better lifestyle...

I will check out the links and concede if I am wrong.

A long time ago I asked a wise old man why he told everyone the world was flat. He said it wasn&#039;t about the world being flat, it was about questioning the prevailing wisdom, however over-powering that may be.

I like to ask questions and, hopefully, get some answers.

I do question global warming science because I think there are other influences about but do not support the oil industry. I would love an alternative to oil-based transport.

Global warming is a big issue but there are a myriad of other challenges to be dealt with which would, in my opinion, also deal with global warming.

Burning less petrol and diesel is but one aspect. Getting rid of our dependency on plastics etc would also do us a world of good. If you&#039;ve ever been up close and personal with a petro-chemical plant you&#039;ll know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Counter Spin</p>
<p>Sorry to dissapoint you but I hold no candle for the oil industry or any other industry for that matter. I genuinely think that population growth is out of control and has an impact. More people means more food production means more energy consumption means more polution means more etc. </p>
<p>Just wait till those poor 800million-odd attain a better lifestyle&#8230;</p>
<p>I will check out the links and concede if I am wrong.</p>
<p>A long time ago I asked a wise old man why he told everyone the world was flat. He said it wasn&#8217;t about the world being flat, it was about questioning the prevailing wisdom, however over-powering that may be.</p>
<p>I like to ask questions and, hopefully, get some answers.</p>
<p>I do question global warming science because I think there are other influences about but do not support the oil industry. I would love an alternative to oil-based transport.</p>
<p>Global warming is a big issue but there are a myriad of other challenges to be dealt with which would, in my opinion, also deal with global warming.</p>
<p>Burning less petrol and diesel is but one aspect. Getting rid of our dependency on plastics etc would also do us a world of good. If you&#8217;ve ever been up close and personal with a petro-chemical plant you&#8217;ll know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/michaelfrancis/2009/11/10/ethical-farming-part-two/

Here is the link to the blog where I clarify my position.</description>
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<p>Here is the link to the blog where I clarify my position.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Britten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Britten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no word in any of these arguments about the relevance of this debate to South Africa. Not that this is necessarily a problem, but I am trying to imagine how well the no-meat message will go down with those citizens who love their shisa nyama and cannot see any moral reason not to enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no word in any of these arguments about the relevance of this debate to South Africa. Not that this is necessarily a problem, but I am trying to imagine how well the no-meat message will go down with those citizens who love their shisa nyama and cannot see any moral reason not to enjoy it.</p>
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