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		<title>By: lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panchette

What truth? You know anyone who knew if the Boipatong Zulus were IFP Zulus or Operation Vula Zulus. Obviously the whites helping them thought they were IFP (and democrats not communists) but they would have thought any Zulu was IFP.

The CIA used this tactic; the KBG(who trained Mbeki and Zuma) used this tactic; and Hitler used this tactic (he got into power with it - in fact he started the idea)

But most telling of all - Buthelezi asked for the black on black violence to be part of the TRC and Mandela refused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panchette</p>
<p>What truth? You know anyone who knew if the Boipatong Zulus were IFP Zulus or Operation Vula Zulus. Obviously the whites helping them thought they were IFP (and democrats not communists) but they would have thought any Zulu was IFP.</p>
<p>The CIA used this tactic; the KBG(who trained Mbeki and Zuma) used this tactic; and Hitler used this tactic (he got into power with it &#8211; in fact he started the idea)</p>
<p>But most telling of all &#8211; Buthelezi asked for the black on black violence to be part of the TRC and Mandela refused.</p>
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		<title>By: X Cepting</title>
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		<dc:creator>X Cepting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find even more disturbing is the apathy of the non-ANC supporters.
Marius Redelinghuys you quite rightly states: &quot;Had this been any other country (with the possible exception of Italy), there would have been an uproar over the latest instalment in the increasingly scandalous public life of Jacob Zuma&quot;

Doing an informal public sensus over the last week on exactly that question, I have had some horrendous answers as to why.  The roughly fall in 3 camps, apart from the obvious ANC supporters:
1.  &quot;Talking politics is not really allowed in public, wait until you get home and then you can talk about it to your friends.&quot;  - Say What! This is a democracy isn&#039;t it?
2. &quot;I&#039;m not really interested in politics, I prefer reading about film stars.&quot;  - Ya, right, they do not affect your daily misery, but take you out of it and is it any wonder this country is in such a mess.
3. &quot;Leave politics to the politicians and other leaders&quot; - (read: clever people)  That has worked for the last 15 years hasn&#039;t it?

Most South Africans deserve Zuma.  We are too spineless and clueless in the majority to even ask for better, nevermind demand.  Democracy?  Yeth mathter, inthantly mathter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find even more disturbing is the apathy of the non-ANC supporters.<br />
Marius Redelinghuys you quite rightly states: &#8220;Had this been any other country (with the possible exception of Italy), there would have been an uproar over the latest instalment in the increasingly scandalous public life of Jacob Zuma&#8221;</p>
<p>Doing an informal public sensus over the last week on exactly that question, I have had some horrendous answers as to why.  The roughly fall in 3 camps, apart from the obvious ANC supporters:<br />
1.  &#8220;Talking politics is not really allowed in public, wait until you get home and then you can talk about it to your friends.&#8221;  &#8211; Say What! This is a democracy isn&#8217;t it?<br />
2. &#8220;I&#8217;m not really interested in politics, I prefer reading about film stars.&#8221;  &#8211; Ya, right, they do not affect your daily misery, but take you out of it and is it any wonder this country is in such a mess.<br />
3. &#8220;Leave politics to the politicians and other leaders&#8221; &#8211; (read: clever people)  That has worked for the last 15 years hasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Most South Africans deserve Zuma.  We are too spineless and clueless in the majority to even ask for better, nevermind demand.  Democracy?  Yeth mathter, inthantly mathter.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 08:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using the &quot;logic&quot; of people like Dave Harris and Tsepang; black people can do anything they like because of apartheid. In fact the only punishable offence in this country is to belong to the DA.

I feel sorry for the majority of South Africans. Every pothole, every corruption scandal, every incompetent deployed SEO cadre, every time the power goes out and every Zuma scandal must damage that most precious thing that any person possesses: the self esteem of black South Africans.

Not even blaming apartheid will fix that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using the &#8220;logic&#8221; of people like Dave Harris and Tsepang; black people can do anything they like because of apartheid. In fact the only punishable offence in this country is to belong to the DA.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for the majority of South Africans. Every pothole, every corruption scandal, every incompetent deployed SEO cadre, every time the power goes out and every Zuma scandal must damage that most precious thing that any person possesses: the self esteem of black South Africans.</p>
<p>Not even blaming apartheid will fix that.</p>
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		<title>By: Panchetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panchetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Lyndall Beddy,
The truth does not fit in with the popular version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Lyndall Beddy,<br />
The truth does not fit in with the popular version.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Harris

The only third force was the ANC&#039;s Operation Vula which escalated after the elections so Winnie&#039;s thugs could necklace any opposition to the ANC (PAC and IFP).

The ANC was trained in Vietnam that to kill your own and blame it on the other side (IFP) was acceptable in a &quot;people&#039;s War).

They were also trained to blame the violence of their own Third Force (Operation Vula) on a Third Force of the opposition (De Klerk).

The Boipatong massacre was likely to have been such an ANC Third Force False Flag action.

You don&#039;t have to believe me. All the details are in the book &quot;People&#039;s War: New light on the struggle for South Africa&quot; by Anthea Jeffery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Harris</p>
<p>The only third force was the ANC&#8217;s Operation Vula which escalated after the elections so Winnie&#8217;s thugs could necklace any opposition to the ANC (PAC and IFP).</p>
<p>The ANC was trained in Vietnam that to kill your own and blame it on the other side (IFP) was acceptable in a &#8220;people&#8217;s War).</p>
<p>They were also trained to blame the violence of their own Third Force (Operation Vula) on a Third Force of the opposition (De Klerk).</p>
<p>The Boipatong massacre was likely to have been such an ANC Third Force False Flag action.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to believe me. All the details are in the book &#8220;People&#8217;s War: New light on the struggle for South Africa&#8221; by Anthea Jeffery</p>
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		<title>By: nguni</title>
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		<dc:creator>nguni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave Harris
trying to see evil in a young journalist who was a toddler before &#039;94?
Blaming Zuma&#039;s disgusting behaviour on Apartheid?
You&#039;re just another pathetic ANC voter, oblivious to your leader&#039;s faults..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave Harris<br />
trying to see evil in a young journalist who was a toddler before &#8217;94?<br />
Blaming Zuma&#8217;s disgusting behaviour on Apartheid?<br />
You&#8217;re just another pathetic ANC voter, oblivious to your leader&#8217;s faults..</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Goodfella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Goodfella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have only our leaders to lead us on the path of rightiousness. Those who aspire to live a safe and moral lifestyle do not need so-called leaders to influence those who are easily led astray.

Such persons will be rejected as leaders. A loss of respect will translate into a volte face loss of votes for the ANC at the polls. Simple as that. You cannot wish away this fact of life. Zuma is a personal failure and he is a national failure. He will be the ANC&#039;s greatest failure and its single most greatest mistake in the history of the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have only our leaders to lead us on the path of rightiousness. Those who aspire to live a safe and moral lifestyle do not need so-called leaders to influence those who are easily led astray.</p>
<p>Such persons will be rejected as leaders. A loss of respect will translate into a volte face loss of votes for the ANC at the polls. Simple as that. You cannot wish away this fact of life. Zuma is a personal failure and he is a national failure. He will be the ANC&#8217;s greatest failure and its single most greatest mistake in the history of the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Twannie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Zuma ascension to the presidency has been a fancy way of going on social welfare, having taxpayers foot the bill for his wives and offspring.&quot;
Precisely.
And thus to claim that this is a “private affair” is RIDICULOUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Zuma ascension to the presidency has been a fancy way of going on social welfare, having taxpayers foot the bill for his wives and offspring.&#8221;<br />
Precisely.<br />
And thus to claim that this is a “private affair” is RIDICULOUS.</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s incredible how much is written about JZ&#039;s morality (or lack thereof) while his presidency is ignored. Maybe it is because there is not much coming out of his presidency?

Dave Harris, do you want me to agree with you that fathering children out of wedlock with your friends daughters is &quot;African morality&quot;? A racist would agree with you, I&#039;m afraid I can&#039;t. Please don&#039;t denigrate African culture, values and morality with your pathetic attempts to protect JZ. Rtaher say that you support him (and your beloved ANC) due to blind faith, right or wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s incredible how much is written about JZ&#8217;s morality (or lack thereof) while his presidency is ignored. Maybe it is because there is not much coming out of his presidency?</p>
<p>Dave Harris, do you want me to agree with you that fathering children out of wedlock with your friends daughters is &#8220;African morality&#8221;? A racist would agree with you, I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t. Please don&#8217;t denigrate African culture, values and morality with your pathetic attempts to protect JZ. Rtaher say that you support him (and your beloved ANC) due to blind faith, right or wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Nangamso Kwinana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nangamso Kwinana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t think your brain has re-charged well, please go back to sleep tsepang, and wake up later, maybe your cells would be back in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t think your brain has re-charged well, please go back to sleep tsepang, and wake up later, maybe your cells would be back in order.</p>
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