Comments on: Traversing Cope’s ideological wilderness http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/ Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:12:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Marie Finlayson http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-108058 Marie Finlayson Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:51:34 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-108058 1. Get rid of politicians (most of them are only interested in their own agenda). 2. Employ competent managers to run the business of managing the country. 3. Utilise the unused mine dumps to lock away forever all killers, rapists and thieves. 4. Utilise our most precious resources - our beautiful country and it's people to welcome tourists to enjoy it too. 1. Get rid of politicians (most of them are only interested in their own agenda).
2. Employ competent managers to run the business of managing the country.
3. Utilise the unused mine dumps to lock away forever all killers, rapists and thieves.
4. Utilise our most precious resources - our beautiful country and it’s people to welcome tourists to enjoy it too.

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]]> By: Phemelo http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105853 Phemelo Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:22:39 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105853 This obsession with saving COPE has really gotten out of hand.Our local paper quoted Lekota saying they are ready to take over the Northern Cape.They have failed to realise that the emotions of post-Polokwane/Moshaweng conferences have subsided.We no more see the ANC as Block/Mompati factions.The principle of democratic centralism has taken its course which suggests acceptance of elected leadership.What we are interested in is a party that seeks to deliver our people finally to the promised economic freedom. You are partly right when you advocate for intervention of the State in matters of control of enterprises for the egalitarian society.Yet when you think you will use a vehicle like COPE,a cardinal sin brews. In fact the mere suggestion that it can be married with the DA, the plot is lost.It makes a mockery of the so-called opposition in South Africa which has no intention of delivering the promised economic freedom.We are at a stage in our lives where we should not be having shacks.Instead we are still undoing the damage caused by 342 years of colonialism and apartheid.Now you tell me, if you have a leadership in COPE that is interested in continuing the legacy of putting their 'hands in the cookie jar', during Mbeki's era, and HOPE that overnight will have the interest of the poor at heart,please!!!! I would urge you to really see COPE for who they are,PRETENDERS TO THRONE. This obsession with saving COPE has really gotten out of hand.Our local paper quoted Lekota saying they are ready to take over the Northern Cape.They have failed to realise that the emotions of post-Polokwane/Moshaweng conferences have subsided.We no more see the ANC as Block/Mompati factions.The principle of democratic centralism has taken its course which suggests acceptance of elected leadership.What we are interested in is a party that seeks to deliver our people finally to the promised economic freedom.

You are partly right when you advocate for intervention of the State in matters of control of enterprises for the egalitarian society.Yet when you think you will use a vehicle like COPE,a cardinal sin brews. In fact the mere suggestion that it can be married with the DA, the plot is lost.It makes a mockery of the so-called opposition in South Africa which has no intention of delivering the promised economic freedom.We are at a stage in our lives where we should not be having shacks.Instead we are still undoing the damage caused by 342 years of colonialism and apartheid.Now you tell me, if you have a leadership in COPE that is interested in continuing the legacy of putting their ‘hands in the cookie jar’, during Mbeki’s era, and HOPE that overnight will have the interest of the poor at heart,please!!!!

I would urge you to really see COPE for who they are,PRETENDERS TO THRONE.

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]]> By: Thorne http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105825 Thorne Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:22:40 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105825 Brilliant article! I wrote a reply at The ChirpRoom: COPE's Everlasting Ideological Wilderness ~ http://bit.ly/6HzYqd Brilliant article!

I wrote a reply at The ChirpRoom: COPE’s Everlasting Ideological Wilderness ~ http://bit.ly/6HzYqd

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]]> By: Social Democracy in COPE’s Context « the ChirpRoom http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105805 Social Democracy in COPE’s Context « the ChirpRoom Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:15:11 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105805 [...] free trade, labour, LibDem, Liberal, social democracy, socialism, tax by tgodinho I read an insightful blog piece by Marius Redelinghuys about the Congress of the People’s (COPE) ideological advancement, if [...] […] free trade, labour, LibDem, Liberal, social democracy, socialism, tax by tgodinho I read an insightful blog piece by Marius Redelinghuys about the Congress of the People’s (COPE) ideological advancement, if […]

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]]> By: Floyd Tshegare http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105562 Floyd Tshegare Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:03:26 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105562 Marius's writing has finally started to confirm what I have been suspecting about the space which COPE is to occupy in our political landscape. It is clear that the basic tenets of "social democracy" as suggested by the author are actually already adopted policies of the existing ANC government. The ANC does regard itself as a progressive movement that seeks to promote a more egalitarian society, yet at the same time at a policy level the ANC has all the characteristics of a "social democratic party" as suggested by the author. Clearly the ANC has progressivism plus all the benefits of being Social democratic party! I don't see why the voter would want to go for an exclusive "social democratic party" when they can have it all in the ANC. Furthermore, the Author seemed oblivious to recent polls that suggest that COPE popularity is waning. He could have investigated whether or not this much taunted cooperation with the DA is causing this decline in Cope’s popularity. After all people who voted for COPE could have voted for the DA if they wanted to. I think COPE-DA cooperation could be disastrous for both parties, but especially for COPE. The horrors of DP-NP cooperation comes to mind at this juncture. Marius’s writing has finally started to confirm what I have been suspecting about the space which COPE is to occupy in our political landscape. It is clear that the basic tenets of “social democracy” as suggested by the author are actually already adopted policies of the existing ANC government. The ANC does regard itself as a progressive movement that seeks to promote a more egalitarian society, yet at the same time at a policy level the ANC has all the characteristics of a “social democratic party” as suggested by the author.

Clearly the ANC has progressivism plus all the benefits of being Social democratic party! I don’t see why the voter would want to go for an exclusive “social democratic party” when they can have it all in the ANC.

Furthermore, the Author seemed oblivious to recent polls that suggest that COPE popularity is waning. He could have investigated whether or not this much taunted cooperation with the DA is causing this decline in Cope’s popularity. After all people who voted for COPE could have voted for the DA if they wanted to.
I think COPE-DA cooperation could be disastrous for both parties, but especially for COPE. The horrors of DP-NP cooperation comes to mind at this juncture.

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]]> By: Theseus http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105514 Theseus Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:14:57 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105514 Marius, the difference between a political party and a social party, is that the former coalesces around a set of beliefs or class interests; the latter is just a grouping of friends. The most damning indictment of Cope I have ever read is yours: "Cope is ... unburdened by historical pledges to a particular ideology or the demands of interest and pressure groups..." So what exactly binds it together? Anti Mbekism? Zuma does that. Anti SACP - Malema got there first. Social Democracy? That's the DA. According to your profile you're studying politics. Seey what happened to the Nats when they achieved their Afrikaner Republic vision. Similarly, the ANC, post-white domination, is splitting into its component parts, delayed by the glue of bling, patronage abuse of position and denialism. In the April elections Cope picked up the anti-ANC, too racist to vote DA support (hence demise of the smaller parties from those taken in by the media fanfare. Despite this support from the media, Cope's lack of vision is leading to its support falling in by-elections. Marius, the difference between a political party and a social party, is that the former coalesces around a set of beliefs or class interests; the latter is just a grouping of friends.
The most damning indictment of Cope I have ever read is yours: “Cope is … unburdened by historical pledges to a particular ideology or the demands of interest and pressure groups…”

So what exactly binds it together? Anti Mbekism? Zuma does that. Anti SACP - Malema got there first. Social Democracy? That’s the DA.

According to your profile you’re studying politics. Seey what happened to the Nats when they achieved their Afrikaner Republic vision. Similarly, the ANC, post-white domination, is splitting into its component parts, delayed by the glue of bling, patronage abuse of position and denialism.

In the April elections Cope picked up the anti-ANC, too racist to vote DA support (hence demise of the smaller parties from those taken in by the media fanfare. Despite this support from the media, Cope’s lack of vision is leading to its support falling in by-elections.

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]]> By: jj http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105438 jj Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:28:21 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/mariusredelinghuys/2009/12/15/traversing-copes-ideological-wilderness/#comment-105438 good exposition. really intresrting and on point. good exposition. really intresrting and on point.

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