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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, someone please help me understand racism, I am truly confused. If I detest my white neighbour its ok, nobody has a problem. If I detest my black neighbour, I am a racist. If I say Eugene Terreblanche is stupid, we all laugh. If I say Julius Malema is stupid, I am a racist. If I beat up a black guy during an argument and he dies, I am a racist murderer. If a black guys kills me during an argument, he is an ordinary criminal. So when is someone actually a racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, someone please help me understand racism, I am truly confused. If I detest my white neighbour its ok, nobody has a problem. If I detest my black neighbour, I am a racist. If I say Eugene Terreblanche is stupid, we all laugh. If I say Julius Malema is stupid, I am a racist. If I beat up a black guy during an argument and he dies, I am a racist murderer. If a black guys kills me during an argument, he is an ordinary criminal. So when is someone actually a racist?</p>
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		<title>By: noname</title>
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		<dc:creator>noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@cano.
Very nicely put. However, with &quot;the Whites took the innocence of black people away&quot;, I cannot agree. For some yes, but look at the history of the Zulus. They where warriors and behaved accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@cano.<br />
Very nicely put. However, with &#8220;the Whites took the innocence of black people away&#8221;, I cannot agree. For some yes, but look at the history of the Zulus. They where warriors and behaved accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: David Maimela</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Maimela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone again!

The other problem is that racism is so entrenched and so entrapped in the minds of many, something I call &quot;brainwash&quot; so much that people cannot even see or hear when they are making not only patronising but racist comments in the name of &quot;not being racist&quot;. So for instance, some people forget that sometimes people take a lifetime to undersatand this thing called racism. And it will still be unpacked for generations to come. So, even in the comments of many here in this blog against my views on Jansen&#039;s decision, they are blatantly racist comments. Thats how systematic, humangus and deadly is the disease called Racism.

The space is small here to reflect broadly and in detail. I just give my summary but in case people want to engage me my email is dmaimela@gmail.com.

Bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone again!</p>
<p>The other problem is that racism is so entrenched and so entrapped in the minds of many, something I call &#8220;brainwash&#8221; so much that people cannot even see or hear when they are making not only patronising but racist comments in the name of &#8220;not being racist&#8221;. So for instance, some people forget that sometimes people take a lifetime to undersatand this thing called racism. And it will still be unpacked for generations to come. So, even in the comments of many here in this blog against my views on Jansen&#8217;s decision, they are blatantly racist comments. Thats how systematic, humangus and deadly is the disease called Racism.</p>
<p>The space is small here to reflect broadly and in detail. I just give my summary but in case people want to engage me my email is <a href="mailto:dmaimela@gmail.com">dmaimela@gmail.com</a>.</p>
<p>Bye</p>
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		<title>By: David Maimela</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Maimela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone!

WEB du Bois declared &quot;The problem of the 20th century is the problem of the colourline&quot;. The question in the 21st century is whether, have we, collective humanity that is, answered quite correctly and honestly this key question? 

When racism or any other prejudice is discussed it has nothing to do with the person, for we will always forgive the person, it has everything to do with a backward, repugnant, stinking and myopic baseless ideology of white supremacy. All over the world we must ask the question and answer it honestly: why is that racism is always directed at those with a darker skin? And the answer can be found when we study the historical development of society.

Now, please folks stop looking within yourselves and stop making patronising blacks. We know many progressive whites fought against racism and they still do. What we must focus on is the ideology and system of racism wherever it manifests itself. Thats the central task of our time.

I wont make some whites feel good. They must feel good on their own. They dont need me who focus of the scientific make-up of the social phenomenon called racism. The oppressed in this country have long liberated both themselves and the oppressor. So, let all presently backward thinking people wake up and liberate themselves. Nobody but them will rescue them. I thank you once more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone!</p>
<p>WEB du Bois declared &#8220;The problem of the 20th century is the problem of the colourline&#8221;. The question in the 21st century is whether, have we, collective humanity that is, answered quite correctly and honestly this key question? </p>
<p>When racism or any other prejudice is discussed it has nothing to do with the person, for we will always forgive the person, it has everything to do with a backward, repugnant, stinking and myopic baseless ideology of white supremacy. All over the world we must ask the question and answer it honestly: why is that racism is always directed at those with a darker skin? And the answer can be found when we study the historical development of society.</p>
<p>Now, please folks stop looking within yourselves and stop making patronising blacks. We know many progressive whites fought against racism and they still do. What we must focus on is the ideology and system of racism wherever it manifests itself. Thats the central task of our time.</p>
<p>I wont make some whites feel good. They must feel good on their own. They dont need me who focus of the scientific make-up of the social phenomenon called racism. The oppressed in this country have long liberated both themselves and the oppressor. So, let all presently backward thinking people wake up and liberate themselves. Nobody but them will rescue them. I thank you once more!</p>
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		<title>By: Apocolypz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apocolypz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are any among the bleating lynch mob above perfect, devoid of sin, blameless, eligible to cast forth the first stone. I think not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are any among the bleating lynch mob above perfect, devoid of sin, blameless, eligible to cast forth the first stone. I think not!</p>
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		<title>By: Apocolypz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apocolypz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for GOD&#039;s sake! Who cares about who did what. The truth of the matter is that the Northern Hemisphere cultures developed a more complex means of survival due to harsher climatic conditions, enabling them to dominate Southern Hemisphere cultures (who where able to survive with relative ease) when they came looking for greener pastures. Was apartheid wrong - HELL YES! Did all &quot;whites&quot; consciously support it - HELL NO! Just as most of us don&#039;t consciously contribute toward global warming, which is notably going to KILL US ALL! These guys from UFS are just kids who had no real idea what the consequences of their actions where going to be. To err is human!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for GOD&#8217;s sake! Who cares about who did what. The truth of the matter is that the Northern Hemisphere cultures developed a more complex means of survival due to harsher climatic conditions, enabling them to dominate Southern Hemisphere cultures (who where able to survive with relative ease) when they came looking for greener pastures. Was apartheid wrong &#8211; HELL YES! Did all &#8220;whites&#8221; consciously support it &#8211; HELL NO! Just as most of us don&#8217;t consciously contribute toward global warming, which is notably going to KILL US ALL! These guys from UFS are just kids who had no real idea what the consequences of their actions where going to be. To err is human!</p>
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		<title>By: Cano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For sure Africa was is and will still be hospitable. We lived our lives Peter that we did and well our history is really wealthy. Don&#039;t make us feel as though without the western influence we would be extinct bra because if that was the case you guys wouldn&#039;t be here. Unlike the western that took upon itself to play the role of God we respected one another until our innocence was taken away by a few selfish western individuals who dimmed important to partition this continent hence unleashing hell on everyone born and living here. Take time to read ancient African history for your awaking bra.

Yes most of us Africans (black and white) have lost the meaning of being African. For us to restore what is left of Africa, we all need to work together.

One cannot fight fire with fire but with water. So we need to deal with that evil that makes feel superior to others and also inferior for with one the other cannot survive. 

Again every individual has to take responsibility for their life and most importantly their actions. Black South Africans needed to take responsibility of the opportunities presented to them and stop fighting the white people like wise white racists should also take responsibility and face the consequences of their actions. 

As for the Zimbabweans you need to know what you want. How can 1 person put the lives of millions on hold under the pretense of AFRICANISIM? Take charge comrades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure Africa was is and will still be hospitable. We lived our lives Peter that we did and well our history is really wealthy. Don&#8217;t make us feel as though without the western influence we would be extinct bra because if that was the case you guys wouldn&#8217;t be here. Unlike the western that took upon itself to play the role of God we respected one another until our innocence was taken away by a few selfish western individuals who dimmed important to partition this continent hence unleashing hell on everyone born and living here. Take time to read ancient African history for your awaking bra.</p>
<p>Yes most of us Africans (black and white) have lost the meaning of being African. For us to restore what is left of Africa, we all need to work together.</p>
<p>One cannot fight fire with fire but with water. So we need to deal with that evil that makes feel superior to others and also inferior for with one the other cannot survive. </p>
<p>Again every individual has to take responsibility for their life and most importantly their actions. Black South Africans needed to take responsibility of the opportunities presented to them and stop fighting the white people like wise white racists should also take responsibility and face the consequences of their actions. </p>
<p>As for the Zimbabweans you need to know what you want. How can 1 person put the lives of millions on hold under the pretense of AFRICANISIM? Take charge comrades.</p>
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		<title>By: jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Anne


I think reason we are in this mess is that the inflated blaCK BOURGEIOUES goverment cannot think for themselves and are incaple of thinking outside the framework that they inherited..when the day comes we&#039;ll go for them 1st - dont worry

..Of course very nice for you white people to believe that the country is in disarray becuase all the capable, experienced white folk left...that borders on delusion, however i have an explanation..As I wrote to Peter earlier, whites leaving this country is not something that black people fear, YOU FEAR THAT ANNE..white people fear that! and of course its perfectly understandable, you were born here and dont really know any other home..shame...thats kind of sad....However please stop projecting your god damm fear onto us, its pathetic..

White privilege is a mountain to climb just in one go, rather get to know the (greater) country first...learn an indigenous language, join one of various collectives/ngo&#039;s/movements n meet real people,venture out of the suburbs a bit more into the &#039;great abyss&#039; (that is everything outside the business centres and your leafy suburbs)..

Your final statement is cause for concern... Thanks for validating our abilities and (thereby) our humanity..YAY, WE GOT ABILITY N THE POTENTIAL IS THERE! Yay! This is why you must learn SAhistory.. you are validating the black and defining our capacity..if you knew anything you would know that that is an old hobby of your forebeares!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Anne</p>
<p>I think reason we are in this mess is that the inflated blaCK BOURGEIOUES goverment cannot think for themselves and are incaple of thinking outside the framework that they inherited..when the day comes we&#8217;ll go for them 1st &#8211; dont worry</p>
<p>..Of course very nice for you white people to believe that the country is in disarray becuase all the capable, experienced white folk left&#8230;that borders on delusion, however i have an explanation..As I wrote to Peter earlier, whites leaving this country is not something that black people fear, YOU FEAR THAT ANNE..white people fear that! and of course its perfectly understandable, you were born here and dont really know any other home..shame&#8230;thats kind of sad&#8230;.However please stop projecting your god damm fear onto us, its pathetic..</p>
<p>White privilege is a mountain to climb just in one go, rather get to know the (greater) country first&#8230;learn an indigenous language, join one of various collectives/ngo&#8217;s/movements n meet real people,venture out of the suburbs a bit more into the &#8216;great abyss&#8217; (that is everything outside the business centres and your leafy suburbs)..</p>
<p>Your final statement is cause for concern&#8230; Thanks for validating our abilities and (thereby) our humanity..YAY, WE GOT ABILITY N THE POTENTIAL IS THERE! Yay! This is why you must learn SAhistory.. you are validating the black and defining our capacity..if you knew anything you would know that that is an old hobby of your forebeares!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 15 years of democrisy and freedom ,the grass still looks greener on the other side and therefore,for some reason, those who reside there must be looked upon with detest and hate. If only those that are residing on the more barren patches of earth realize or even notice that the road taken to those greener pastures is not an easy road, but a road that takes responsability and discipline instead of having a WANT WANT WANT or something for nothing attitude then maybe we&#039;d have a glimmer of hope for this country after all. Judging from comments provided by the likes of Jody, one can clearly see that forgiveness is not on the order of the day but rather a &quot;I want to see you suffer&quot; mindset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 15 years of democrisy and freedom ,the grass still looks greener on the other side and therefore,for some reason, those who reside there must be looked upon with detest and hate. If only those that are residing on the more barren patches of earth realize or even notice that the road taken to those greener pastures is not an easy road, but a road that takes responsability and discipline instead of having a WANT WANT WANT or something for nothing attitude then maybe we&#8217;d have a glimmer of hope for this country after all. Judging from comments provided by the likes of Jody, one can clearly see that forgiveness is not on the order of the day but rather a &#8220;I want to see you suffer&#8221; mindset.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diti - I really do hope you succeed in whatever it is you are aiming for!

From my understanding of the matter, Jody&#039;s point is that it is extremely difficult for black people in this country to take advantage of what they now have because the education they have received is way below par.  On an individual level all I can do is sympathise and try to understand the frustration this must engender - there&#039;s not much else I can do.  

I get the impression that Jody feels that all white people should give up everything they have and, I don&#039;t know, leave, perhaps?  If she really gave this some more thought, she&#039;d realise that some of the problems we are experiencing in this country have come about precisely because that is what a lot of white people have done.  We now have a void when it comes to skills that is going to take some time to fill, and in the mean time things are getting neglected and are deteriorating, like our power grid and our roads, hospitals and schools.  Not the least of our problems is that so many black people in positions of power, at the moment, cannot see beyond the next German car or mansion in an elite suburb.

In my profession I meet many highly qualified black people, and the ability and potential are obviously there (sorry, don&#039;t mean to sound patronising) - it is simply going to take time for things to equalise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diti &#8211; I really do hope you succeed in whatever it is you are aiming for!</p>
<p>From my understanding of the matter, Jody&#8217;s point is that it is extremely difficult for black people in this country to take advantage of what they now have because the education they have received is way below par.  On an individual level all I can do is sympathise and try to understand the frustration this must engender &#8211; there&#8217;s not much else I can do.  </p>
<p>I get the impression that Jody feels that all white people should give up everything they have and, I don&#8217;t know, leave, perhaps?  If she really gave this some more thought, she&#8217;d realise that some of the problems we are experiencing in this country have come about precisely because that is what a lot of white people have done.  We now have a void when it comes to skills that is going to take some time to fill, and in the mean time things are getting neglected and are deteriorating, like our power grid and our roads, hospitals and schools.  Not the least of our problems is that so many black people in positions of power, at the moment, cannot see beyond the next German car or mansion in an elite suburb.</p>
<p>In my profession I meet many highly qualified black people, and the ability and potential are obviously there (sorry, don&#8217;t mean to sound patronising) &#8211; it is simply going to take time for things to equalise.</p>
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