I am assuming that you were addressing me even though you have chose to call to me as “His People” where did you get that one I don’t know. No wonder all your facts are greaty skewed as well.

For information I have a couple of intelligent women friendst and hey never use their sex appeal to appeal for respect like other imbeccile down the road. In fact the whole argument about the kangas and hot pants is very low in many ways that is why this thread never made it in the mainline of things.

The truth is with modernity comes conventions that informs our values and dress code, and how you dress speak much about your class.

It’s funny that hypocrites of your kind are silent about the abuse and suffering of women in advertisement houses and brothels. If you were to devote your energy in fighting the fundamentals of the problem not a concerned realist like me. I am not the one thatis doing ads that are greatly degrading women as sex objects. Let women join hands and fight institutions such as brothels and pornhouses and leave me alone.

If you think in your naive feminism women are free to wear whatever they like and then go and tell that to prostitutes that are roaming the streets desparately looking for sex because they seem to have figured it out that dress code counts.

Hiding behind the notion of a feminine identity only as a binary to masculinity is myopic. Yes human beings are sexual creatures, but they are also reasoned, autonomous creatures. Your opinion of the human race must be very low to assume that millenia of human critcal thinking and questioning cannot control the libido. Isn’t it funny that we can build pyramids and spaceships and write philosophy and poetry, but can’t keep our (universal) pants zipped?!

Even further, it is a very limited human experience you create. Perhaps you are exposed to blank women and howling men, but the women and men I choose to spend my time with are beautiful creatures whose identities stretch further than their genitals.

I’m truly reluctant to say it’ll be my LAST because I have a long challenging life ahead of me as a black woman. Somewhere while I’m just living my life, a man will probably demontrate his anger over the disempowered state in his life by sexually harassing me to regain that ‘lost’ power!

Some men…

When you say something lewd to a woman who is minding her own business in a public space (whether or not she’s in a miniskirt – and let me tell you, she often is NOT -all she has to do is just show up, really) and embarrasses her, it is about exerting and exercising power over her, reminding her of her ‘place’.

I won’t have it. Women like me won’t have it. And no matter how many times men use sex, or clothing as an excuse, we see right through you, and we’re ready to take you on.

Assuming that you were married man and your wife seduces and your don’t want to give to it her for some reasons but eventual you succumb to the seduction. Is that a basic indecency or is just a natural surrender to the forces of nature?

You see in your argument you are assuming that human beings are robots with the solid logical compartment with no room for spontaneity.

Humans are not that infallible and we can’t put so much trust in them like that.

Your fantasy of walking the streets dressed almost with nothing without attention from the opposite sex is greatly unreal.

Either you like it or you don’t what you wear will determine the number of dates you might get.

I am not interested in the game of semantics.
Secondly I appreciate your argument on relative ethics but within South African relative reality of our moral the word slut is clearly understood.

Are you living in the bush somewhere where nature is the only moral code?

Slut is a pejorative term for a person who is deemed sexually promiscuous than is socially acceptable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut

@ His Service “If you don’t want to be perceived as a slut you mustn’t be dress like one”

To both of you: how would you judge someone who stole a tasty treat from the mouth of a child? Would it be the fault of the treat that you were tempted to act unethically and treacherously? Or, would it be a product of your basic indecency that you were unable to suppress desire unmatched by consent or invitation?

And what do you make of people being shot for their mobile phones or designer sneakers? The fault of the tempting accoutrements, perhaps?

@ Pheko “Women have a right to wear what they feel like without fear of harassment by men with low egos who feel better only after humiliating some powerless young woman.”

@ Brent “In the 50’s thousands of amazing wonderful women marched (unmolested) for the freedom of everyone and now one lady can’t even walk to a taxi rank, please political leaders tell us why not.”

Generally speaking, I love men…can’t help myself. And you remind me why. Thank you.

Aside: do you ever wonder how 60’s women managed to avoid rape? Mary Quant and Jean Shrimpton were sluts, not Feminist fashion icons, according to the sexist reading of this incident.

@ Rumbi – thank you.

@His Service
What is a ‘slut’? Can you actually define this word? Does it only apply to women? Likewise Mother Grundy with your concept of ‘brazen hussy’?

Coming from a culture that does not believe in a man’s unequivocal right to control the fruits of a woman’s womb – marriage is not a part of my culture. In my ethics as long as my lover is of age and willing, intercourse is ethical. And if I want to change my lovers more than once a day that’s also ethical as long as they remain of age and willing. Does this make me a slut or would it depend on how I was dressed in between lovers??