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		<title>By: pule</title>
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		<dc:creator>pule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is interesting to read people trying to play god, all clinging to an evasive notion of truth and nakedly parading half-baked specialities, award-winners, scientists, pseudo-philosophers you name it. haven&#039;t you heard of half-truths and half-lies. whats left of the other half is a world in a daze folks. i hope thats not what you are all FEELING, dazzy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is interesting to read people trying to play god, all clinging to an evasive notion of truth and nakedly parading half-baked specialities, award-winners, scientists, pseudo-philosophers you name it. haven&#8217;t you heard of half-truths and half-lies. whats left of the other half is a world in a daze folks. i hope thats not what you are all FEELING, dazzy.</p>
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		<title>By: David Dunton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Dunton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Llewellyn, you&#039;ll be please to know there is a qual research company doing exactly what you yearn for - exploring why people do and feel what they do, rather than just gathering info on what they do. Check out our website &amp; give us a call if you wanna chat some more http://www.the-cia.co.za/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Llewellyn, you&#8217;ll be please to know there is a qual research company doing exactly what you yearn for &#8211; exploring why people do and feel what they do, rather than just gathering info on what they do. Check out our website &amp; give us a call if you wanna chat some more <a href="http://www.the-cia.co.za/" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-cia.co.za/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touché Llewellyn!   As if the Americans could come up with a delicious word like &quot;discombobulated&quot;!!

Perhaps this kind of research isn&#039;t done, or if it has the results are tucked away in some dark place, because the results would be too terrifying to contemplate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touché Llewellyn!   As if the Americans could come up with a delicious word like &#8220;discombobulated&#8221;!!</p>
<p>Perhaps this kind of research isn&#8217;t done, or if it has the results are tucked away in some dark place, because the results would be too terrifying to contemplate.</p>
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		<title>By: mv2997</title>
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		<dc:creator>mv2997</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1998 - QUANTIFIABLE and QUALITATIVE.
NB - Not Race bean counting -   &quot;Social Wellbeing.&quot;
Q:  To name but a few of the total breakdown of &quot;Social Wellbeing&quot; necessities.
Has RSA society improved under ANC rulership with  &quot;Transformation&quot;?

Teachers &quot;compulsory packages.&quot; 
Training Colleges Closed : Teacher, Nursing, Trades apprenticeships -  .
Hospitals, NGO&#039;s,  shut down.  
Special Police Units - morphed into one of illiterate Saps in abundance.
Eskom skilled technicians &quot;packages.&quot;
Parliament: Whites winge - welcome to leave !  SKills exit.
ANY ?
New structures : Schools, Hospitals, Dams, Roads, Universities, Power Plants and basic HUMAN NEEDS !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1998 &#8211; QUANTIFIABLE and QUALITATIVE.<br />
NB &#8211; Not Race bean counting &#8211;   &#8220;Social Wellbeing.&#8221;<br />
Q:  To name but a few of the total breakdown of &#8220;Social Wellbeing&#8221; necessities.<br />
Has RSA society improved under ANC rulership with  &#8220;Transformation&#8221;?</p>
<p>Teachers &#8220;compulsory packages.&#8221;<br />
Training Colleges Closed : Teacher, Nursing, Trades apprenticeships &#8211;  .<br />
Hospitals, NGO&#8217;s,  shut down.<br />
Special Police Units &#8211; morphed into one of illiterate Saps in abundance.<br />
Eskom skilled technicians &#8220;packages.&#8221;<br />
Parliament: Whites winge &#8211; welcome to leave !  SKills exit.<br />
ANY ?<br />
New structures : Schools, Hospitals, Dams, Roads, Universities, Power Plants and basic HUMAN NEEDS !</p>
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		<title>By: mv2997</title>
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		<dc:creator>mv2997</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantifiable:
Anyone wonder why people under 50 - are so selfish and cruel ?
Late 1960&#039;s Dr Spock said &quot;Children must not be spanked&#039; &quot;Left to find the &quot;boundaries.&quot;  
 2008 + &quot;CHILDREN need boundaries &amp; Limits.&quot;

Old folks: Put baby against pillows, on side to break wind and any vomit will fall away.  Became &quot;old fashioned.&quot; 
&quot;Babies must sleep on their stomachs.&quot; &quot;Cot Deaths&quot; Mothers jailed for &quot;smothering&quot; baby.   Dammit - Babies suffocate with VOMIT in the nose !

Old folks:  Body knows what it needs.
Coffee, wine, oil, carbs, fat to name a few - are bad for you.  ALL have since been &quot;re-quantified&quot; re-assessed - essential to well being.  Spoil sports.
MEDITERRANEAN longevity - Oil, pasta, wine !

Old folks:  Garlic is good for you; prevents disease.  (Also evil spirits.)  Smell offensive - avoid.  
NOW?  Anything bad for humans, you can name - Immune booster is Garlic !

Ja - Scientists know best and nullify everything proven over decades and centuries.  Everything that is ghastly to the palate is &quot;recommended.&quot;
Ja - In RSA everything that can be diverted from the poor to the newly privileged, connected - will be diverted or &quot;halted.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantifiable:<br />
Anyone wonder why people under 50 &#8211; are so selfish and cruel ?<br />
Late 1960&#8242;s Dr Spock said &#8220;Children must not be spanked&#8217; &#8220;Left to find the &#8220;boundaries.&#8221;<br />
 2008 + &#8220;CHILDREN need boundaries &amp; Limits.&#8221;</p>
<p>Old folks: Put baby against pillows, on side to break wind and any vomit will fall away.  Became &#8220;old fashioned.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Babies must sleep on their stomachs.&#8221; &#8220;Cot Deaths&#8221; Mothers jailed for &#8220;smothering&#8221; baby.   Dammit &#8211; Babies suffocate with VOMIT in the nose !</p>
<p>Old folks:  Body knows what it needs.<br />
Coffee, wine, oil, carbs, fat to name a few &#8211; are bad for you.  ALL have since been &#8220;re-quantified&#8221; re-assessed &#8211; essential to well being.  Spoil sports.<br />
MEDITERRANEAN longevity &#8211; Oil, pasta, wine !</p>
<p>Old folks:  Garlic is good for you; prevents disease.  (Also evil spirits.)  Smell offensive &#8211; avoid.<br />
NOW?  Anything bad for humans, you can name &#8211; Immune booster is Garlic !</p>
<p>Ja &#8211; Scientists know best and nullify everything proven over decades and centuries.  Everything that is ghastly to the palate is &#8220;recommended.&#8221;<br />
Ja &#8211; In RSA everything that can be diverted from the poor to the newly privileged, connected &#8211; will be diverted or &#8220;halted.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Liza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a scientist, I work with hard numbers all the time. Hard numbers are the bread and butter of our business. I also know how easy it is to manipulate them to make them show whatever you want them to show. It comes down to your personal and professional integrity, whether or not your choose to show the world the answer that may be factually true, but not at all what you wanted it to be. In the scientific community at least we have some form of keeping things in check by using peer review panels. 

It is much, much harder to deal with qualitative data, because it is that much more open to interpretation and hence manipulation by the person who does the interpreting. 

I therefore have absolutely NO confidence in any statistic (quantitative, qualitative, emotive or otherwise) presented in the media or by politicians. I simply have no faith in their professional integrity (especially in the face of the absence of any review process). 

They have a product to sell. And they will do anything to sell it. They all have my vote of no confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a scientist, I work with hard numbers all the time. Hard numbers are the bread and butter of our business. I also know how easy it is to manipulate them to make them show whatever you want them to show. It comes down to your personal and professional integrity, whether or not your choose to show the world the answer that may be factually true, but not at all what you wanted it to be. In the scientific community at least we have some form of keeping things in check by using peer review panels. </p>
<p>It is much, much harder to deal with qualitative data, because it is that much more open to interpretation and hence manipulation by the person who does the interpreting. </p>
<p>I therefore have absolutely NO confidence in any statistic (quantitative, qualitative, emotive or otherwise) presented in the media or by politicians. I simply have no faith in their professional integrity (especially in the face of the absence of any review process). </p>
<p>They have a product to sell. And they will do anything to sell it. They all have my vote of no confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Dumi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dumi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Azra, you&#039;re beautiful... and crazy-good). 
Lliwellyn, I found the other meaning to &#039;discombobulated&#039;, and its this: &#039;profound emotional disconnection from anything that matters to oneself&#039;... I am SERIOUS! Two really good questions that need answering from your topic are: How exactly do you feel about your life-circumstances and the role of the internet right this moment (the key being the word FEEL)? Dont say fine. thats a meaningless word. And then the next question: &#039;What are the FACTS about those feelings?&#039; 
Emotions are a tough issue... yet often you hear people say thats the softer side of things. Thats lots of manure!
The issue of facts, fiction and emotions is tricky... sentiment kills, litarally. Just try telling someone that the history of his/her people is not what they know it to be. The world-wide-web can change a lot of things. But can it change our programming (biological or social engineering?)and pre-conditioning to want to separate, to NOT see the systemic interconnectedness of everything around us? Me thinks not...
Emotional? Nah! Its all just discombobulated... 

Emotions are the most beautiful energy and TOOLS we have. They cannot lie like some politicians and journalists do regularly. They stay true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azra, you&#8217;re beautiful&#8230; and crazy-good).<br />
Lliwellyn, I found the other meaning to &#8216;discombobulated&#8217;, and its this: &#8216;profound emotional disconnection from anything that matters to oneself&#8217;&#8230; I am SERIOUS! Two really good questions that need answering from your topic are: How exactly do you feel about your life-circumstances and the role of the internet right this moment (the key being the word FEEL)? Dont say fine. thats a meaningless word. And then the next question: &#8216;What are the FACTS about those feelings?&#8217;<br />
Emotions are a tough issue&#8230; yet often you hear people say thats the softer side of things. Thats lots of manure!<br />
The issue of facts, fiction and emotions is tricky&#8230; sentiment kills, litarally. Just try telling someone that the history of his/her people is not what they know it to be. The world-wide-web can change a lot of things. But can it change our programming (biological or social engineering?)and pre-conditioning to want to separate, to NOT see the systemic interconnectedness of everything around us? Me thinks not&#8230;<br />
Emotional? Nah! Its all just discombobulated&#8230; </p>
<p>Emotions are the most beautiful energy and TOOLS we have. They cannot lie like some politicians and journalists do regularly. They stay true.</p>
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		<title>By: Llewellyn Kriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Llewellyn Kriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please pardon my pedantry, Dick, but the word I deliberately chose &amp; used is discombobulated. And try as I may, I can&#039;t find the word &quot;discombulated&quot; that you claim I use.

I would like to think readers - and specifically commentators - of Thought Leader would expect bloggers to be meticulous in their writing, combining rhetorical skills with linguistic dexterity in pursuit of accurate meaning and try to prevent ambiguity. Besides, discombobulated has such a delightful rhythmic poetry to it?

You would be interested, of course, to know that the word also formed the root of a new word coined by British psychiatrists to describe a now-recognised mental condition characterised by feelings of acute anxiety triggered by being unable to connect to the wired world and specifically the Internet. I jest not! Research findings indicate that nearly half of all Britons report such feelings including isolation, disempowerment, fear and so on. The scientists coined the term &quot;discomgoogolation&quot; (http://bit.ly/5iJb7) to describe the condition.

As an obviously erudite commentator, Dick, you&#039;d immediately recognise the oddity in referring to Google, but spelling it &quot;googol&quot; which, as you know, is 10 to the power of 100. 

Quaint, ain&#039;t it, mate? Ta f&#039;readin&#039;,&#039;ey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please pardon my pedantry, Dick, but the word I deliberately chose &amp; used is discombobulated. And try as I may, I can&#8217;t find the word &#8220;discombulated&#8221; that you claim I use.</p>
<p>I would like to think readers &#8211; and specifically commentators &#8211; of Thought Leader would expect bloggers to be meticulous in their writing, combining rhetorical skills with linguistic dexterity in pursuit of accurate meaning and try to prevent ambiguity. Besides, discombobulated has such a delightful rhythmic poetry to it?</p>
<p>You would be interested, of course, to know that the word also formed the root of a new word coined by British psychiatrists to describe a now-recognised mental condition characterised by feelings of acute anxiety triggered by being unable to connect to the wired world and specifically the Internet. I jest not! Research findings indicate that nearly half of all Britons report such feelings including isolation, disempowerment, fear and so on. The scientists coined the term &#8220;discomgoogolation&#8221; (<a href="http://bit.ly/5iJb7" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/5iJb7</a>) to describe the condition.</p>
<p>As an obviously erudite commentator, Dick, you&#8217;d immediately recognise the oddity in referring to Google, but spelling it &#8220;googol&#8221; which, as you know, is 10 to the power of 100. </p>
<p>Quaint, ain&#8217;t it, mate? Ta f&#8217;readin&#8217;,'ey!</p>
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		<title>By: Azra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh well.&quot;?! You&#039;ve given up? Those 20 panels haven&#039;t helped? You cannot see the wood for the trees. Let me lead you to the right path,  Grasshopper. In a democracy the people get the kind of Government they deserve. When the majority of voters are idiots, we vote in people like, Tony Blair, George Bush, Robert Mugabe, Obama (I forget; is this his first or last name?). If you doubt my theory, you have forgotten the idiots who kept voting in Apartheid for about forty years. If the ANC is as bad as you say, then the majority of SA voters are idiots. Solution? A qualified franchise, to weed out the retards. For more about a qualified franchise, contact me. About emotions: when I was a student (7000 years ago), very old teachers taught that real emotions are the raw ingredients. Aesthetic emotion cultivated through poetic/artistic expression is practical beauty shaped/grown/fashioned out of the raw stuff. Your teachers mentioned this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh well.&#8221;?! You&#8217;ve given up? Those 20 panels haven&#8217;t helped? You cannot see the wood for the trees. Let me lead you to the right path,  Grasshopper. In a democracy the people get the kind of Government they deserve. When the majority of voters are idiots, we vote in people like, Tony Blair, George Bush, Robert Mugabe, Obama (I forget; is this his first or last name?). If you doubt my theory, you have forgotten the idiots who kept voting in Apartheid for about forty years. If the ANC is as bad as you say, then the majority of SA voters are idiots. Solution? A qualified franchise, to weed out the retards. For more about a qualified franchise, contact me. About emotions: when I was a student (7000 years ago), very old teachers taught that real emotions are the raw ingredients. Aesthetic emotion cultivated through poetic/artistic expression is practical beauty shaped/grown/fashioned out of the raw stuff. Your teachers mentioned this?</p>
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