Comments on: The first time I met Mandela http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:41:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Vote SA Rocks - 'Cause SA Rocks, Ekse!! | SA Rocks http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-15429 Vote SA Rocks - 'Cause SA Rocks, Ekse!! | SA Rocks Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:16:00 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-15429 [...] SA Blog about Design - Marc Forrester, adii Best Post on a South African Blog - Llewellyn Kriel Best Overseas South African Blog - Cooksister Best Green blog - urbansprout Best SA Blog about Food [...] [...] SA Blog about Design – Marc Forrester, adii Best Post on a South African Blog – Llewellyn Kriel Best Overseas South African Blog – Cooksister Best Green blog – urbansprout Best SA Blog about Food [...]

]]> By: Leierlose Suid-Afrika « eKKe dINk http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12749 Leierlose Suid-Afrika « eKKe dINk Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:00:13 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12749 [...] 24Jan08 Ja, so lees ek Llewellyn Kriel se blog oor sy indrukke van die formidabele Madiba.  Ek moet sê, ek sou graag die man wou [...] [...] 24Jan08 Ja, so lees ek Llewellyn Kriel se blog oor sy indrukke van die formidabele Madiba.  Ek moet sê, ek sou graag die man wou [...]

]]> By: Guy http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12599 Guy Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:49:55 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12599 Thanks for your reply Llewellyn, but are you buying in to the publicity machine? For example, Princess Diana might have been a very engaging, even beautiful, person but she was not a world political giant with a unique character for forgiveness and reconcilliation. I would also like to meet those on your wish list, barring perhaps Al Gore! I find it difficult to find him credible given his penchant for zooming around the world in aeroplanes telling us all to limit our carbon emissions. Hasn't he heard of teleconferencing? But that would take the fun out of it! Pity he didn't have as much support in 2000, then the world may have avoided the George Bush years. Topically, and unfortunately, Heath Ledger would have been one of the few actors I would have liked to meet. Hamba Kahle. Thanks for your reply Llewellyn, but are you buying in to the publicity machine? For example, Princess Diana might have been a very engaging, even beautiful, person but she was not a world political giant with a unique character for forgiveness and reconcilliation.

I would also like to meet those on your wish list, barring perhaps Al Gore! I find it difficult to find him credible given his penchant for zooming around the world in aeroplanes telling us all to limit our carbon emissions. Hasn’t he heard of teleconferencing? But that would take the fun out of it! Pity he didn’t have as much support in 2000, then the world may have avoided the George Bush years.

Topically, and unfortunately, Heath Ledger would have been one of the few actors I would have liked to meet. Hamba Kahle.

]]> By: SelloM http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12556 SelloM Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:05:49 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12556 I think the biggest mistake was people who started making coparisons. The Author's intentio was to talk about Mandela. Not the brouhaha of Zuma -Mbeki for a change. The essence was to remind us that even though our nation is on a bit of downward slope, there was a time when we could say, with our heads held high " I am a South African". The Mandela time was not about economic policies and transformation, although the two were initiated at that time, it was about transition and reconciliation of a highly divided country. I tend to agree with the Author that Madiba handled transition with enormous aplomb. No one can take that away from him. We cant even wish that away. Thabo Mbeki's time on the other side was about getting macro-economic basics right to put some confidence in the economy. The true time for transformation will start with the Zuma presidency. Mbeki has set the policy machinery on course.The legacies of these three leaders will depend largely on how they handle their tasks. I have no doubt that both Mandela and Mbeki handled their tasks excelently. We can only pray that Zuma handles his with excellence as well. The ANC will never fail this country I think the biggest mistake was people who started making coparisons. The Author’s intentio was to talk about Mandela. Not the brouhaha of Zuma -Mbeki for a change. The essence was to remind us that even though our nation is on a bit of downward slope, there was a time when we could say, with our heads held high ” I am a South African”. The Mandela time was not about economic policies and transformation, although the two were initiated at that time, it was about transition and reconciliation of a highly divided country. I tend to agree with the Author that Madiba handled transition with enormous aplomb. No one can take that away from him. We cant even wish that away. Thabo Mbeki’s time on the other side was about getting macro-economic basics right to put some confidence in the economy. The true time for transformation will start with the Zuma presidency. Mbeki has set the policy machinery on course.The legacies of these three leaders will depend largely on how they handle their tasks. I have no doubt that both Mandela and Mbeki handled their tasks excelently. We can only pray that Zuma handles his with excellence as well. The ANC will never fail this country

]]> By: datsun http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12492 datsun Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:44:37 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12492 ' whiles black poeple don’t all the above and get shot by white farmers who says they are baboons! ' Jobe, while i dont doubt that this is going on, i think your trivialising this situation a little. You've taken a discussion on Mandela and turned it into a white / black thing again. I hope you and your Comrades (this applies to old school whites that still refer to blacks as Kaffiers, they just dont read the M&G) are happy, i browse over the comments on this site and others and am sickened by the racial divide. Mandela, we love you ‘ whiles black poeple don’t all the above and get shot by white farmers who says they are baboons! ‘
Jobe, while i dont doubt that this is going on, i think your trivialising this situation a little. You’ve taken a discussion on Mandela and turned it into a white / black thing again. I hope you and your Comrades (this applies to old school whites that still refer to blacks as Kaffiers, they just dont read the M&G) are happy, i browse over the comments on this site and others and am sickened by the racial divide. Mandela, we love you

]]> By: Will http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12477 Will Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:06:04 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12477 To bring some realism into the church of Mandela-worship: actually the adoration of Mandela started when he was still in jail, which rules out the transcendent charisma hypothesis. Obviously we are confusing cause and effect: Mandela has the aura of charisma bestowed on him because he is famous; he is not famous because he is charismatic. He is as much a media phenomenon as Paris Hilton, except that his fame was manufactured for political purposes. To bring some realism into the church of Mandela-worship: actually the adoration of Mandela started when he was still in jail, which rules out the transcendent charisma hypothesis. Obviously we are confusing cause and effect: Mandela has the aura of charisma bestowed on him because he is famous; he is not famous because he is charismatic. He is as much a media phenomenon as Paris Hilton, except that his fame was manufactured for political purposes.

]]> By: jobe http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12463 jobe Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:31:00 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12463 Nelson Mandela had his time and the sooner a lot of our white folks get it into their heads that he would never come back the better. I believe the only time you can compare two people is when you've met both and had time to talk to each one. unfortunatey I haven't met both Mr Mandela & Mr Mbeki on a personal level but I have seen then what they have done for this country. Mr Mbeki was part of Mr Mandela's cabinet and people who worked in that cabinet says Mbeki was the operational manager of the country while Mandela was busy charming the world. People expected that Mbeki will be the Mandela and go around telling the world that South Africa was a united country with all it's citizen living in harmony when we all know that White people still enjoy the fruits of Apartheid and becoming rich everyday, staying in fancy houses, their kids going to well equiped schools, enjoying world class health care, etc, whiles black poeple don't all the above and get shot by white farmers who says they are baboons!!!! Mr Mbeki is not a perfect human beings but I prefer him because he never pretended that everything was ok and he never wanted to be a Mandela. He is just a guy who gave up His whole life to the struggle of the emancipation of the poor and that is what I will remember him for. Nelson Mandela had his time and the sooner a lot of our white folks get it into their heads that he would never come back the better. I believe the only time you can compare two people is when you’ve met both and had time to talk to each one. unfortunatey I haven’t met both Mr Mandela & Mr Mbeki on a personal level but I have seen then what they have done for this country. Mr Mbeki was part of Mr Mandela’s cabinet and people who worked in that cabinet says Mbeki was the operational manager of the country while Mandela was busy charming the world.

People expected that Mbeki will be the Mandela and go around telling the world that South Africa was a united country with all it’s citizen living in harmony when we all know that White people still enjoy the fruits of Apartheid and becoming rich everyday, staying in fancy houses, their kids going to well equiped schools, enjoying world class health care, etc, whiles black poeple don’t all the above and get shot by white farmers who says they are baboons!!!!

Mr Mbeki is not a perfect human beings but I prefer him because he never pretended that everything was ok and he never wanted to be a Mandela. He is just a guy who gave up His whole life to the struggle of the emancipation of the poor and that is what I will remember him for.

]]> By: Motsiri http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12451 Motsiri Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:31:58 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12451 What a thought and emotions provoking submission. Like Madiba i will say “How are you, Mr Kriel? It’s very nice to hear from you again,”. But i guess my sentiment cannot be radiating warmth and trust and security and personal confidence, like visited MG just to read your writing. My view is, and i hope MG people will read this, that part building a caring society is learn from the historical lessons, both positive and negative, that can be derived from former leaders and circumstances. It will be encouraging to have letters such as this one by Kriel where a life inspiring event is briefly highlighted and the the writer tell us what he/she learned from that experience then we can adopt some of these lessons as we advance in building a better life for all. Surely there remembrable things about Mbeki, Zuma etc which they did, so someone who met them can share their experiences with them- it does not necessarily have to be a positive thing, even if its negative, what lessorns can we draw from that!!! cadrekg@gmail.com What a thought and emotions provoking submission. Like Madiba i will say “How are you, Mr Kriel? It’s very nice to hear from you again,”. But i guess my sentiment cannot be radiating warmth and trust and security and personal confidence, like visited MG just to read your writing.

My view is, and i hope MG people will read this, that part building a caring society is learn from the historical lessons, both positive and negative, that can be derived from former leaders and circumstances.

It will be encouraging to have letters such as this one by Kriel where a life inspiring event is briefly highlighted and the the writer tell us what he/she learned from that experience then we can adopt some of these lessons as we advance in building a better life for all. Surely there remembrable things about Mbeki, Zuma etc which they did, so someone who met them can share their experiences with them- it does not necessarily have to be a positive thing, even if its negative, what lessorns can we draw from that!!!
cadrekg@gmail.com

]]> By: Lehlohonolo http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/comment-page-1/#comment-12444 Lehlohonolo Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:02:02 +0000 http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2008/01/21/the-first-time-i-met-mandela/#comment-12444 Aaah... another rare breed is it now, Kriel?! Well i think you're right, i equally have read daily sun, Llewelyn kriel, my brother's essay (he's 9)... and i'm sorry, all they wrote was unpallatable drivel! Until i read letter from the President on ANC today... what a breather! Aaah… another rare breed is it now, Kriel?!

Well i think you’re right, i equally have read daily sun, Llewelyn kriel, my brother’s essay (he’s 9)… and i’m sorry, all they wrote was unpallatable drivel! Until i read letter from the President on ANC today… what a breather!

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