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		<title>By: Bloggers Paradise of South Africa &#171; The Curse of the Drinking Class</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-40962</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloggers Paradise of South Africa &#171; The Curse of the Drinking Class</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the shortcomings of The Sowetan where he worked, Kriel recounted the events of the case in his blog “The gross misconduct of blogging”. The Though Leader gave him the opportunity to clear his name while giving us insight into the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the shortcomings of The Sowetan where he worked, Kriel recounted the events of the case in his blog “The gross misconduct of blogging”. The Though Leader gave him the opportunity to clear his name while giving us insight into the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Scholten</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-16115</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Scholten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my.  Hang in there.  Someone who uses the English language the way you do should be promoted, not subjected to this kind of insanity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my.  Hang in there.  Someone who uses the English language the way you do should be promoted, not subjected to this kind of insanity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-9354</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what has changed in the corporate world in the NSA  - same bottles different labels .It is high time that the working people and small business community unite against the high flying but grossly incompetent , immoral ,money obsessed , arrogant and egoistical corporate upper management class in this country .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what has changed in the corporate world in the NSA  &#8211; same bottles different labels .It is high time that the working people and small business community unite against the high flying but grossly incompetent , immoral ,money obsessed , arrogant and egoistical corporate upper management class in this country .</p>
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		<title>By: Oivusa</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-7302</link>
		<dc:creator>Oivusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Llewellyn, best of luck. I have worked in various positions across titles owned by &quot;the company&quot; and finally took my leave of all the nonsense that the alleged managers repeatedly conjured.

It is incredibly sad to see what is happening to our media due to flagrant mismanagement by unqualified, uncaring people in charge.

I am now &#039;living&#039; the life of a freelancer, for what its worth in SA, and while money is scarce, my sanity prevails - which is far more important than putting up with their bullsh*t.

Subs vs journos: yes, it is all one and the same, although the &#039;shrubs&#039; tend be the ones that can actually write.

Alute continua!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Llewellyn, best of luck. I have worked in various positions across titles owned by &#8220;the company&#8221; and finally took my leave of all the nonsense that the alleged managers repeatedly conjured.</p>
<p>It is incredibly sad to see what is happening to our media due to flagrant mismanagement by unqualified, uncaring people in charge.</p>
<p>I am now &#8216;living&#8217; the life of a freelancer, for what its worth in SA, and while money is scarce, my sanity prevails &#8211; which is far more important than putting up with their bullsh*t.</p>
<p>Subs vs journos: yes, it is all one and the same, although the &#8216;shrubs&#8217; tend be the ones that can actually write.</p>
<p>Alute continua!</p>
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		<title>By: Dispatches from the Trench - Andrew Trench at the Dispatch&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogs O&#8217; War?</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-7112</link>
		<dc:creator>Dispatches from the Trench - Andrew Trench at the Dispatch&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogs O&#8217; War?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sowetan sub-editor, Llewellyn Kriel, has been fired after he wrote nasty things about his newspaper&#8217;s bosses and my employer Avusa on his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: matthewbuckland.com &#187; South African media company fires employee over blog</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-7063</link>
		<dc:creator>matthewbuckland.com &#187; South African media company fires employee over blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Both Goldstuck and Kriel are writers on the Mail &amp; Guardian Online&#8217;s Thoughtleader blog platform. Kriel had written posts about his company entitled &#8220;Working on that pig’s ear, baby&#8220;, which criticised the company he worked at, Johncom. He late wroter a follow up post about the fact that he had been disciplined called the The ‘gross misconduct’ of blogging. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Both Goldstuck and Kriel are writers on the Mail &#38; Guardian Online&#8217;s Thoughtleader blog platform. Kriel had written posts about his company entitled &#8220;Working on that pig’s ear, baby&#8220;, which criticised the company he worked at, Johncom. He late wroter a follow up post about the fact that he had been disciplined called the The ‘gross misconduct’ of blogging. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Juno</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-7030</link>
		<dc:creator>Juno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, thanks Marian for clearing that up for me! Now could you tell me what &#039;journalist&#039; means?  Also, I&#039;m not clear on the meaning of &#039;the&#039;, &#039;a&#039;, &#039;and&#039; and &#039;noun&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, thanks Marian for clearing that up for me! Now could you tell me what &#8216;journalist&#8217; means?  Also, I&#8217;m not clear on the meaning of &#8216;the&#8217;, &#8216;a&#8217;, &#8216;and&#8217; and &#8216;noun&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thabo</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-6999</link>
		<dc:creator>Thabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear your “concerns” about the deterioration of the quality of work in journalism and as news consumer I’m also concerned but what the hell have you done to help the situation? As a white South African who obviously benefitted in the Apartheid regime (as you mention being educated?), why aren’t you one of the people on the forefront to help these kids who want to make it in journalism become better at that? Instead, you’ve rested on your laurels all these years (probably hoping this sort of thing would happen while you’re still alive so that you could say “I said so”), well the way you went about it landed you in hot water and I really believe that your opinion is harmful to your employer. If your concerns were real, why didn’t you go to management to discuss the state of affairs at Avusa, instead you go online to vent – just like a loser! – and now you come here looking for pity, like someone’s out to get you, please! I’m sure you felt so vindicated when you sat down (hopefully not on the company PC and on company time!) to write the piece that would “expose the goings-on in a once reputable media company which has been a victim of change (which is adamant by the way because of the history of our country)”, so now take it like a man, you’ve made your noise and there are consequences …after all they say one reaps what they sow? Lesson to you and all those angry passive aggressive white folk out there – free speech is a bitch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear your “concerns” about the deterioration of the quality of work in journalism and as news consumer I’m also concerned but what the hell have you done to help the situation? As a white South African who obviously benefitted in the Apartheid regime (as you mention being educated?), why aren’t you one of the people on the forefront to help these kids who want to make it in journalism become better at that? Instead, you’ve rested on your laurels all these years (probably hoping this sort of thing would happen while you’re still alive so that you could say “I said so”), well the way you went about it landed you in hot water and I really believe that your opinion is harmful to your employer. If your concerns were real, why didn’t you go to management to discuss the state of affairs at Avusa, instead you go online to vent – just like a loser! – and now you come here looking for pity, like someone’s out to get you, please! I’m sure you felt so vindicated when you sat down (hopefully not on the company PC and on company time!) to write the piece that would “expose the goings-on in a once reputable media company which has been a victim of change (which is adamant by the way because of the history of our country)”, so now take it like a man, you’ve made your noise and there are consequences …after all they say one reaps what they sow? Lesson to you and all those angry passive aggressive white folk out there – free speech is a bitch!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck. I found myself in a similar situation while working for a publication belonging to a well-known Irish purveyor of baked beans.

I wrote a piece in a daily online publication airing my opinion. I was threatened with disciplinary action. The matter was quietly dropped, but the one word that springs to mind to describe a situation like that is &quot;risible&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck. I found myself in a similar situation while working for a publication belonging to a well-known Irish purveyor of baked beans.</p>
<p>I wrote a piece in a daily online publication airing my opinion. I was threatened with disciplinary action. The matter was quietly dropped, but the one word that springs to mind to describe a situation like that is &#8220;risible&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Terry H</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/llewellynkriel/2007/11/24/937/comment-page-1/#comment-6978</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHO&#039;S GONNA SUB THE SUBS???

LK has it all wrong! Surely Subs are the troglodytes within the editorial heirarchy (and most proud therof?) . 

Shitshining in the small wee hours can lead to dark Darth Vader thoughts - fulminating anger issues are a natural result. Are subs not the introverts and burnout victims of journalism - I detect a severe lack of sunlight, seretonin and a straightjacket. Subs deserve special respect for their lonely vigils, while the cub reporters get all the action. 

I strongly advise a plea of temporary insanity before the grand inquisition of the suits - confirmed by your ability to grovel eloquently once that unshined matt blog shit hit the fan.

A script for happy pills - Prozac should do - will render those Bloggy loud angry outbursts into nuanced wimpers. If all else fails - always use wit to hide hubris. You have a irony deficiency almost as bad as your rants.

May the force be with you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHO&#8217;S GONNA SUB THE SUBS???</p>
<p>LK has it all wrong! Surely Subs are the troglodytes within the editorial heirarchy (and most proud therof?) . </p>
<p>Shitshining in the small wee hours can lead to dark Darth Vader thoughts &#8211; fulminating anger issues are a natural result. Are subs not the introverts and burnout victims of journalism &#8211; I detect a severe lack of sunlight, seretonin and a straightjacket. Subs deserve special respect for their lonely vigils, while the cub reporters get all the action. </p>
<p>I strongly advise a plea of temporary insanity before the grand inquisition of the suits &#8211; confirmed by your ability to grovel eloquently once that unshined matt blog shit hit the fan.</p>
<p>A script for happy pills &#8211; Prozac should do &#8211; will render those Bloggy loud angry outbursts into nuanced wimpers. If all else fails &#8211; always use wit to hide hubris. You have a irony deficiency almost as bad as your rants.</p>
<p>May the force be with you</p>
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