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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moafrika

You can&#039;t be living in SA! You would know that the most outraged are the blacks about what is happening to their fellow blacks.</description>
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<p>You can&#8217;t be living in SA! You would know that the most outraged are the blacks about what is happening to their fellow blacks.</p>
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		<title>By: moafrika</title>
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		<dc:creator>moafrika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 08:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people who think that mugabe must die for Zim to come right show little or no understanding of what is going on north of our border.
so you think, and want us to think Bob woke up and decide to be a nsty piece of work.how stupid ypu must be and want us to be. you have allowed yourselves to be brainwashed by the west and want us to follow suit. believe what you want and let see find our own truths, there are always two sides to any circurmstance and for you guys to want us to see Mugabe as a baddie is just plain asuming. if there were not any white person;d interest involved than you wouldn&#039;t give two hoots about Zim, it owuld be just another thing perculiar to Africa. 

To us, Africans who do not deny our land and blood, Mugabe&#039;s dignity remains in tact. If this is such an evil man...and evil men we have seen in our live, why do Zimbabweans keep voting for him, ohh I know what you say to that he rigged the elections, now really. That country is Zimbabwe and belongs to Zimbabweans,not Europe and America...and if Mbeki told bush to butt out out of Zim , I believe he left it too late. you go on about how, if he did, Mbeki should not have done that , you are so used to taking crap from these superiorist pigs from US and Russia, one would think Mbeki insulted God looking at the reaction. That is what is engrained in your minds, blacks can&#039;t thnk.. the whites must do that for us...pleasse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people who think that mugabe must die for Zim to come right show little or no understanding of what is going on north of our border.<br />
so you think, and want us to think Bob woke up and decide to be a nsty piece of work.how stupid ypu must be and want us to be. you have allowed yourselves to be brainwashed by the west and want us to follow suit. believe what you want and let see find our own truths, there are always two sides to any circurmstance and for you guys to want us to see Mugabe as a baddie is just plain asuming. if there were not any white person;d interest involved than you wouldn&#8217;t give two hoots about Zim, it owuld be just another thing perculiar to Africa. </p>
<p>To us, Africans who do not deny our land and blood, Mugabe&#8217;s dignity remains in tact. If this is such an evil man&#8230;and evil men we have seen in our live, why do Zimbabweans keep voting for him, ohh I know what you say to that he rigged the elections, now really. That country is Zimbabwe and belongs to Zimbabweans,not Europe and America&#8230;and if Mbeki told bush to butt out out of Zim , I believe he left it too late. you go on about how, if he did, Mbeki should not have done that , you are so used to taking crap from these superiorist pigs from US and Russia, one would think Mbeki insulted God looking at the reaction. That is what is engrained in your minds, blacks can&#8217;t thnk.. the whites must do that for us&#8230;pleasse</p>
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		<title>By: Nathi...inkosana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathi...inkosana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You Mugabe sympathisers know very well that if this old fart were white, youd find a voice and perfect oppurtunity to play your racism / colonialism card ...

get the hell out of here with this hero worship garbage ..

is Zimbabwe a world class 1st world country ...?

uuuh no..! 

I rest my case ...I think thoughts of his impending trip to hell when he crosses over should be encouraged and openly discussed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Mugabe sympathisers know very well that if this old fart were white, youd find a voice and perfect oppurtunity to play your racism / colonialism card &#8230;</p>
<p>get the hell out of here with this hero worship garbage ..</p>
<p>is Zimbabwe a world class 1st world country &#8230;?</p>
<p>uuuh no..! </p>
<p>I rest my case &#8230;I think thoughts of his impending trip to hell when he crosses over should be encouraged and openly discussed</p>
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		<title>By: vonani chauke</title>
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		<dc:creator>vonani chauke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@amused reader
yes i am staying there. Mugabe is a hero coz he is a freedom fighter.</description>
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yes i am staying there. Mugabe is a hero coz he is a freedom fighter.</p>
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		<title>By: unathi ngcuka</title>
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		<dc:creator>unathi ngcuka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Mugabe is nothing but an  imperfect human being,like the rest of us. I take my hat off to him for the little good he has done for the people of Zimbabwe(i.e esp the scholarships he has given and the many thousands he has given to each scholar studying in S.A, psss...idont know how Morgan missed out). i think it is time for him to step down however Zanu PF should win the election. MDC winning would mean that Zimbambwe will be Micro-managed by the Brits.

i feel that Zimbambwean living in South Africa have turned their backs on their own country and most i&#039;ve met are  ungrateful unpatriotic lot, but are quick to put the blame on our South african government for not helping.I think South Africans are ready to help, but How can we help, if Zimbabweans do not want to help themselves. Go HOme and Serve your Country!!!!!!

As for him dying...Well i wish otherwise, i wish he&#039;d live and see the fruit of his investments return Home and being Patriotic and serving their Country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Mugabe is nothing but an  imperfect human being,like the rest of us. I take my hat off to him for the little good he has done for the people of Zimbabwe(i.e esp the scholarships he has given and the many thousands he has given to each scholar studying in S.A, psss&#8230;idont know how Morgan missed out). i think it is time for him to step down however Zanu PF should win the election. MDC winning would mean that Zimbambwe will be Micro-managed by the Brits.</p>
<p>i feel that Zimbambwean living in South Africa have turned their backs on their own country and most i&#8217;ve met are  ungrateful unpatriotic lot, but are quick to put the blame on our South african government for not helping.I think South Africans are ready to help, but How can we help, if Zimbabweans do not want to help themselves. Go HOme and Serve your Country!!!!!!</p>
<p>As for him dying&#8230;Well i wish otherwise, i wish he&#8217;d live and see the fruit of his investments return Home and being Patriotic and serving their Country</p>
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		<title>By: amused reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>amused reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Vonani

Lets recap.

You said: Mugabe is a Hero (april 9th, 12:48)

I say : To you maybe, but to most he is a Villan.
(April 10th, 13:47)

You Say: Mugabe deserves another chance, it is not his fault but the baboon British and Americans, &amp; Tsvangarai cant be in charge because he was never a freedom fighter

I say : (A lengthy reasoned argument about why your comments don&#039;t make sense) April 10th 14:25

You say: I need to see a psychologist, and that Mugabe has done well and that it is the Baboons from Britain that disturb him (April 11, 20:14)

(This really isn&#039;t the sort of reasoned argument i would expect from a BA student at university, but rather a 9 or 10 year old. You offer no rebuttal of my points, no supporting argument for yours, and offer insults and refer to the British (of whom by the way I am one) as Baboons). If i called you a Baboon it would be racist would it not? 

I Say: Do you honestly think?

You say : Yes I am honest (which doesn&#039;t answer my question, which in any case was an attempt to get you to justify your arguments, rather than just to proffer insults.)

I say: (I explain what i meant in case you don&#039;t understand, suggest that your debating style is not what i would expect from a BA student, ask a few questions, and probably, to be fair, offer a few insults, which you probably deserve, but maybe TL isn&#039;t the place for them)

You say: (what exactly did you say? It didn&#039;t make any sense in English, maybe you can post it in your own language and someone else can translate?)

Can you answer me:

1. Have you ever been to Zimbabwe?
2. Why you think Mugabe is a hero?
3. Why you think he should be given another chance?

If you want to post on a column such as this you are expected to offer at least some substantiation for your point of view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Vonani</p>
<p>Lets recap.</p>
<p>You said: Mugabe is a Hero (april 9th, 12:48)</p>
<p>I say : To you maybe, but to most he is a Villan.<br />
(April 10th, 13:47)</p>
<p>You Say: Mugabe deserves another chance, it is not his fault but the baboon British and Americans, &amp; Tsvangarai cant be in charge because he was never a freedom fighter</p>
<p>I say : (A lengthy reasoned argument about why your comments don&#8217;t make sense) April 10th 14:25</p>
<p>You say: I need to see a psychologist, and that Mugabe has done well and that it is the Baboons from Britain that disturb him (April 11, 20:14)</p>
<p>(This really isn&#8217;t the sort of reasoned argument i would expect from a BA student at university, but rather a 9 or 10 year old. You offer no rebuttal of my points, no supporting argument for yours, and offer insults and refer to the British (of whom by the way I am one) as Baboons). If i called you a Baboon it would be racist would it not? </p>
<p>I Say: Do you honestly think?</p>
<p>You say : Yes I am honest (which doesn&#8217;t answer my question, which in any case was an attempt to get you to justify your arguments, rather than just to proffer insults.)</p>
<p>I say: (I explain what i meant in case you don&#8217;t understand, suggest that your debating style is not what i would expect from a BA student, ask a few questions, and probably, to be fair, offer a few insults, which you probably deserve, but maybe TL isn&#8217;t the place for them)</p>
<p>You say: (what exactly did you say? It didn&#8217;t make any sense in English, maybe you can post it in your own language and someone else can translate?)</p>
<p>Can you answer me:</p>
<p>1. Have you ever been to Zimbabwe?<br />
2. Why you think Mugabe is a hero?<br />
3. Why you think he should be given another chance?</p>
<p>If you want to post on a column such as this you are expected to offer at least some substantiation for your point of view?</p>
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		<title>By: vonani chauke</title>
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		<dc:creator>vonani chauke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to amused reader you are talking nonsese now. this is not similar with the topic. are you here to check who is intelectual or not. i think you are suffering from debate direction or debate starvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to amused reader you are talking nonsese now. this is not similar with the topic. are you here to check who is intelectual or not. i think you are suffering from debate direction or debate starvation.</p>
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		<title>By: amused reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>amused reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cool Down

Indeed.

I did see the programme, i also spent 3 weeks in Zim last year. have you read Ian Smith&#039;s book. It should be compulsory reading for anyone who wants to understand how Africa got in this mess.

As usual, the idiot reporter who made the first film couldn&#039;t work out that it was idiots like himself who were fundamental in bringing Mugabe to power, and those that he had been so quick to judge had been right all along.

Of all the quotes he could have used for Smith he used a sound bite, out of context to paint the man as a racist and an idiot, he was, IMHO, neither.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cool Down</p>
<p>Indeed.</p>
<p>I did see the programme, i also spent 3 weeks in Zim last year. have you read Ian Smith&#8217;s book. It should be compulsory reading for anyone who wants to understand how Africa got in this mess.</p>
<p>As usual, the idiot reporter who made the first film couldn&#8217;t work out that it was idiots like himself who were fundamental in bringing Mugabe to power, and those that he had been so quick to judge had been right all along.</p>
<p>Of all the quotes he could have used for Smith he used a sound bite, out of context to paint the man as a racist and an idiot, he was, IMHO, neither.</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Down</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cool Down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amused reader

I you watched Carte Blanche on MNET sunday night
you will understand why people like vonani Chauke react like they do. 

The commies were masters in misinformation and
found eager students in Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amused reader</p>
<p>I you watched Carte Blanche on MNET sunday night<br />
you will understand why people like vonani Chauke react like they do. </p>
<p>The commies were masters in misinformation and<br />
found eager students in Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: amused reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>amused reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vonani this is probably getting very very boring for everyone else. I haven&#039;t yet decided if you really are this stupid, or are just trying to wind me up by pretending to be. For your sake i hope it is the latter, but i fear the former.

Your English isn&#039;t that great (but i am sure it is not your first language so there is no shame in that). When i say do you honestly?, i was asking the question do you think? not are you honest? I ask the question because your comments don&#039;t actually show much thought at all. 

Having visited your personal website i have some idea of the problem.

You are a snotty nosed 20 year old that has grown up in a country that has never know Aparthied in your lifetime (you were 6 in 94). You have been afforded every advantage because you are black and now are studying for a BA. You clearly didn&#039;t get on the course a result of intelligent comment, so as as a tax payer i feel somewhat defrauded that my money can&#039;t produce anything better than you. It does not bode well for our &#039;skills shortage&#039; and i wouldn&#039;t let you within 100m of any business i own.

You have no idea what it must be like to live in Zimbabwe and have almost certainly never been there, but because of you political affiliations, and that fact that you think Mugabe has got one over on us white folk, you would like him to stay a little longer. You off course have food, housing, and education, so cant relate to what the Zimbabwean people are actually going through.

As part of your studies, maybe you should be made to go and live there for 3 months, then we can talk again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vonani this is probably getting very very boring for everyone else. I haven&#8217;t yet decided if you really are this stupid, or are just trying to wind me up by pretending to be. For your sake i hope it is the latter, but i fear the former.</p>
<p>Your English isn&#8217;t that great (but i am sure it is not your first language so there is no shame in that). When i say do you honestly?, i was asking the question do you think? not are you honest? I ask the question because your comments don&#8217;t actually show much thought at all. </p>
<p>Having visited your personal website i have some idea of the problem.</p>
<p>You are a snotty nosed 20 year old that has grown up in a country that has never know Aparthied in your lifetime (you were 6 in 94). You have been afforded every advantage because you are black and now are studying for a BA. You clearly didn&#8217;t get on the course a result of intelligent comment, so as as a tax payer i feel somewhat defrauded that my money can&#8217;t produce anything better than you. It does not bode well for our &#8216;skills shortage&#8217; and i wouldn&#8217;t let you within 100m of any business i own.</p>
<p>You have no idea what it must be like to live in Zimbabwe and have almost certainly never been there, but because of you political affiliations, and that fact that you think Mugabe has got one over on us white folk, you would like him to stay a little longer. You off course have food, housing, and education, so cant relate to what the Zimbabwean people are actually going through.</p>
<p>As part of your studies, maybe you should be made to go and live there for 3 months, then we can talk again.</p>
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