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It’s a long and tedious story, mired in the bureaucracy of at least some part of the big-breasted titular leaders of the Islamic world, or so they say … Yet of the 12 international halal certification bodies I had contacted (this includes a national halal institute) with regards to the quality of research — both quantitative and qualitative — conducted in order to establish the standards represented by the halal stamp, the depth of understanding as to the essence of the Qur’an and the context as well as the qualifications of the staff, only seven got back to me.

The first three were generous enough to ask what was wrong with sludge as fertiliser, even if deemed toxic. One said: “If I had to declare this toxic stuff like fertiliser haram, what products would we certify?”

I mentioned to him the verses measure for measure, those relating to the phenomena of creation as a God-willed sustenance that should be protected as a resource entrusted to man and myriad others detailing the economics of the ecology in terms of socio-political implications … I spoke to a wall. His eyes and ears closed, filled with cement and indifference.

“Talk to the Almighty himself,” he said.

One of the South African versions of the halal institutes has a website slathered with righteous if sincere platitudes and convictions, extensively quoting Imam Ghazzali, the Prophet (SAW) and other prominent persons, taken for the most part out of context. The South African version, of course, does no more than most others to clarify the situation. In fact, the strength of the institutions in South Africa has allowed for the temporalisation of fixed and distorted interpretations that have no relevance but have nonetheless been imposed, bifurcating the truth.

A good example is Imam Ghazzali, a jurist and theologian who lived in the 12th century, mentioned on the website of the national institution, apparently in support of its claims concerning the characteristics that constitute the foundation of the halal stamp — and its legitimacy. But it was this same Imam Ghazzali who stated that the taksis or reductionism of Islam to the status of religion, cultivated by a false portrayal of the sciences or fiqh as that of religious ritualism alone, is unlawful.

Perhaps they should take the quotes off? Perhaps there should be mass resignation?

One of my questions was, of course, whether this institution had, within its ranks, scientists that studied the ongoing effects of pesticides and other toxic treatments … no response. Many days. Months. The lifetime of ants …

One Egyptian aide to the aide to the aide of the Grand Mufti said that as long he doesn’t see or smell the fertiliser/sludge, acknowledge the concept of GM food or think about climate change and deforestation, he is fine.

This sludge is, of course, none other than the by-products of multinationals, comprising vast quantities of heavy-metals poisons such as lead, cadmium and the killer mercury, industrial toxins, and toxic organic and inorganic compounds such as herbicides — in other words, sludge that is too toxic to dump and is subsequently relabelled as fertiliser once the waste is bought out by a fudger or an MNC that deals in such murky and viscous business.

It kills the Earth after a slow and brutal rape, mimicking the same behaviour in the human body, only to result in various types of illnesses caused by environmental pollution such as heavy-metal poisoning, congenital malformations, and various types of known and unknown cancers.

A short tale:

The founder of Phoenix Environmental Institute recently exchanged information with an environmental activist back from an investigative quest in Iraq. He documented more than 7 000 cases of mutations concerning the flora and fauna of Iraq by substances such as DU (depleted uranium) that had been showered on Iraq, culminating in bunches of grapes growing in the shapes of large eggplants with multiple, nipple-like formations.

The Iraqis of course have to dine on these large mammaries … naturally the founder immediately communicated these findings to specific persons who currently form the upper apex of the scientific world, only to be told that institutions such as the Pentagon that regularly lose billion-dollar fighter jets had yet to address such insignificant strands of thought as the effects of war on the environment. The founder did the next best thing and contacted a lawyer; case pending …

How is it relevant? The military-industrial complex that funds scientific research is at the root of most scientific discoveries, from the engine of the Porsche to the science of amputations, organ transplants and genetic experimentation during the time of the Brown Shirts, documentation of genomes and testing of ecological weapons of warfare such as in Vietnam and Cambodia … One of these weapons was known as Agent Orange — otherwise known as the Agent of Death, used to destroy the foliage of the guerrilla fighters who hid in the jungles for refuge; a safe place from which to strike, and if be, a safe place in which to die.

Agent Orange is actually a herbicide that uses the same active compounds that comprise modern herbicides, sold by the very same architect — Monsanto, also the manufacturer and distributor of GM seeds, patenting life and locking it up in seed banks, mass-producing just 1 000 multinational-required cash crops …

It is not just the knowledge of inherited agriculture locked up, but the soul of the ecology and our own.

The mullahs, however, saw no reason to get themselves involved in such a situation, stating that they would continue to lick and stamp a sign that gave people the false insinuation that God was behind such products, and by implication, the multinationals who rape the Earth, the governments that let them do it and the bastards that provide the cloak of legitimacy.

Only one seriously considered it but he was quickly overruled. The majority were more or less interested to know what Islam had to do with the science of the products, giggling and coughing, perhaps even picking their noses …

It goes without saying that there is no such thing as a halal stamp; that is, using the name of God to legitimise not the product, the manufacturing process, the policies of the brand and its ecological and sociopolitical ramifications, but rather the actuality of an institution that is as irrelevant within the context of Islam as Bush is to world peace. Not simply irrelevant, but destructive. Dangerous.

Islam, the spirit of which I feel denotes the active move towards peace, is not a religion that can be interpreted as it is now, with the subsequent ban on thought and the emphasis of the rigid ritualisms, acting as the root upon which many opportunistic and extraneous elements such as the current familial monarchs of the GCC countries are based — hijacking Mecca and stamping a brand on it, that of the royal family.

They deliberately misrepresent the historicity, root and principles of the sharia, which has few fixed “laws” and many routes through which society can be constructed, with different techniques to suit the dynamic nature of the human nature — itself authentic and recognised as a force of change — for better or worse.

But the truth is that Muslim people have very little concept or knowledge that is direct and has an impact on the quality of their own life, not merely that part of them which seeks to quell the guilt that quietly and gradually grows to dominate the mind of the one who knows he has stripped away and savaged the purpose of his own life.

It is these gaps and cracks and gaping potholes of the human nafs or the being in totality, mind, body and soul, that render such nafs so vulnerable that the vultures move in … feeding on the carcasses of the slow and the spiritually sloth-like, the indifferent, the absent, the narcotised.

They present themselves as the leading strand of scholarly and learned Islamic interpretive thought, moulding their faces on to the brands of those institutions that justify their existence as the authentic paradigm of Islam. But such is the materialist reductionism of which so much of the West is accused, and so many Muslims are complicit. The nature of Islam and the science of it dehydrated to ashes and scattered on the grave of what once was …

In this way, the ijma (majority opinion) is commercialised and sold to the highest bidder while the doors to ijtihad (individual thought) are closed and sealed, before being buried. Khalas. Finish.

I recently told a journalist: “It was ironic to realise the period in which the Madressah was created as an institute of complete learning in the 11th century was coincidentally the same period which saw the advances made by the Muslims concerning the physical sciences, ie geology, biology, marine, physics etc, slowly come to a grinding halt …”

Simultaneously, it was in the 11th century, that the Occident began to absorb and assimilate the knowledge of the Muslims.

Sure, the residue of our knowledge lasted for another two centuries, the momentum was strong, how could it not? But those two centuries in which we rode the last train of knowledge, conscious of our Islam and the implications of Islam lived, was a train going steadily downhill. On our way down, because the scenery and decor of the train was so beautiful and intoxicating, we never bothered to look out the window. We lost ourselves to ourselves.

Had we perhaps glanced for even a second out of the gilded window, we would have seen the world and with it, the other train — that of what we consider the Occidentalists — going steadily uphill …

We should ask ourselves why it was that when immigration to our country was restricted, the apartheid forces deliberately allowed for the “village idiots” from India to enter our country and train the Muslim minds? Did the accompanying mentality of the caste system, the fact that Botha called the Muslims a “definite threat” to apartheid, the total ignorance of the Muslims and the Muslim leaders — cemented in stupidity by the village idiots, as well as the benefits that many Indian businesses derived (over the black peoples) as a buffer race — act as an incentive?

It could well be that there was a symbiotic relationship between the religious idiots and the apartheid structures … mutually beneficial appendages.

Did not the leader of the (then) MJC say that Imam Haroon — a freedom fighter from the Cape — deserved to be tortured and killed in prison because he was a trouble maker?”

She did not seem too interested in what was written, but to be fair, she was actually working on a book on Muslims in the media. I wonder why I find it impossible even to consider the state of Muslims in the world today, wounded and defensive, feeling as if all the world owes them something. I feel that same rage, but it is directed instead at those who desire and wish and claim without the struggle that defines such a realisation. The Qur’an states that it must be read only in context and with intense reflection … that Man will not get but that he works for it. That Salah must be tangible, a lived ideal — and are the words “Guide us to the right path” not said during the first Surah Fatiha — the key to the faith?

“Guide us”, of course, means the world. In its entirety. How dare these men claim such a title as Alim when they care for nothing but their own narratives? How dare they associate the name of God with a product that has tortured the Earth?

These days the halal stamp opens and closes the markets of 1,6-billion people … big money, friends. Big money.

The mullahs are known (or should be known) as the rentboys of print and consumer capitalism and the mistresses of “free” trade. This, of course, indicates the inverted nature of the word nowadays. Perhaps to honour the integrity of language we should call them gigolos and whores.

Yet it may be that Muslim societies built their identities on certain fixed and frozen interpretations that allude to the shell or crust of religion, especially in this age. It may even be that such was the result after the emergence from colonialism when all the world was alien, threatening and invasive … The mullahs use vulnerability to centralise their all-pervasive yet subtle dominance of thought, preying on those who have no understanding of the concept or spirit of the Qur’an, nor would they wish too.

The power of the mullah lies in the facade of illusions — thus the stamp.

In reality, few if any of their products would be halal because of the toxic pesticides, the hormones, antibiotics, animal by-products — that is, animals grown specifically to be fed to other animals, herbivores that cannot digest the “foreign” bodies of protein and so forth.

The political economy from which such products have been processed and the closed-door policy of multinationals who hang governments like puppets on a string add to the garish illusion of a free world.

But to admit this would mean that Muslims (or those who submit to Aslama, the active working towards peace) would be on the front line of the war against economic hammers such as the IMF, ecologically destructive policies such as cash-cropping and toxic sludge that is relabelled fertiliser.

This means the men who lead such institutions would have to lead a resistance and not cash in. Obviously, they are not for the job. In fact, the job is not for them. Perhaps in a hut somewhere in the middle of a village in India (no dissing India).

This — nature as tabi, with the realisation or expression of nature as Tabia, corresponds to the reality of rahman (that which is undoubted and complete in itself) and rahim ( the self-expression of such a nature that allows for the perception, manifested in the natural dispositions of the living).

In the Qur’an it is often said that everything on Earth is halal or natural; the episteme of the word halal draws on the phenomena or essence of that which is immutable in its own right, good, natural, pure and without contamination, while the world haram (forbidden) alludes to the destructive effects of GM food (patented genomes or life modifications that disrupt and alter the nature of the living, the effects of which debilitates the economy, the indigenous ecology and is possible only through the manipulation of state-craft using institutions such as the IMF).

But why then have so many apparently Muslim countries and citizens allowed and in many cases subscribed to the secularisation and atomisation of the Earth to be viewed from solely an economic perspective? Can we staple a price tag to the innocent, to beauty, to the value of love felt between two people but which we may not be a part of?

To the fierce and immense majesty of the natural world?

The indigenous ecology is essentially what the Qur’an considers to be the “living” or “second” Ayah of Allah, what is Shara’a — the divine law, manifest and palpably distinctive; it is what must be reinterpreted in every age with its relative exigencies, technologies and premises in order that the enabling of the law or sharia — the etymology lending itself to the word knowledge — may be relevant and not simply a ritualism that allows for the frozen, apocryphal and irrelevant interpretations of Islam that do not allow for the “living” of it.

But today, all of Islamic thought concerning religious matters lies in the hands of those constituting an elitist circle of “scholars” or “mullahs” whose very words take precedence over ijtihad or individual thought.

In fact, contained within the Qur’an are fundamental guidelines that are qaddara (or predetermined), pertaining to the structural and shifting paradigms of civilisation or the Ummah Wahidah (community united in Oneness or Tawhid.)

There are more than 900 ayahs in the Qur’an as well as various parables relating to the use of water alone, as a political commodity, a source of life and of conflict, with multiple allusions concerning the devastation caused by hydro-power, articulated in the historically actualised story of Saba and the Dam of Marib, which collapsed due to ecological fragmentation.

Or the story of Thamud/Al Hijr — a powerful society of which the remains can be seen in the city of Petra, a giant colossal structure of stone in the middle of a desert and one of many caravan stops in which the traveller or trader seated on his camel, stood; dwarfed, awed and petrified at the sight of an entire meticulously carved city of slid rock …

Such a tribe controlled significant portions of the invaluable Middle Eastern trade and was extinguished by the symbolic act of slaughtering a she-camel, an innocent creature that falls into the realm of the Waqf — belonging to Allah alone, entrusted to Man to do just acts.

Yet each and every day billions of cattle, chickens and other such creatures are considered by the world to be either animal products (for human consumption) or animal-by products (herbivorous animals that are fed to other herbivores). This of course results in a multitude of diseases such as Sars — a pathogen that originates in the cash-cropped world of animal products — when a baby chick, debeaked, legs splayed, choking on ammonia and force-fed antibiotics, hormones and animal by-products, is grown to his full weight at only six weeks old.

Whether this chicken has a stamp matters nothing, especially when held against the quality of its life. The questions we need to ask ourselves when buying products, clothing, cars and so forth is whether we have abused the trust or waqf — essentially maintaining the only original quality endowed from God to Man; that of free choice. Integrity.

The ritualism proudly displayed and certified halal at the end of this chicken’s life is refuted by the days, hours, minutes and seconds of an existence played out in the dark only to fall in darkness.

There are, in comparison, just 215 verses or ayahs relating to the physicality of prayer as a social and individual requirement … yet there are more than 1 400 ayahs solely laid down regarding economics, with special emphasis on what could be considered fair trade and organic institutions, operative techniques of production, manufacturing, structural adjustment and so forth devoid of highly destructive and exploitive methods such as pesticides and hormones, the “usual” ingredients in the cash-cropped economies of the Third World, held firmly in place by the First World countries.

Because I am a Muslim, it falls within my rights to question those who have given themselves the mandate to determine the narrative upon which Islamic society is built. Islamic society is always theocentric at its root (as opposed to theocratic).

It is my right to evidence their lies, to document and display it, to designate the mullahs as a very manipulative, exploitive and dangerous element in current Muslim societies, working hand in hand with the corrupt monarchs of the GCC, buttressing each other in a myth made real on the concrete banks of decisions taken behind closed doors; these myths no different from the economic fascism of the World Bank and their ilk; no different from those who lead the Inquisition and no different from the mullahs at the last dying stages of the Ottoman Empire, when Islam as a living way of life was reduced to a religion, and subsequently an institution to be interpreted at will by those falsely insinuate — as mullahs do by using the terminology of Imam, Alim, Amir when they know so little and wish to articulate still less — a sense of legitimacy and truth and justice.

There is no justice in the halal stamp. There is only the facade of justice. The mist of it.

But people are content to be blind and blinded, and the mullahs who have developed such institutions of false religion are, of course, the only type of religiosity to exist alongside false institutions such as the World Bank, communism and capitalism.

As a Muslim “imam” recently told me: “We would be happy to cooperate with the World Bank, provided that the US stopped vilifying Third World countries and Muslims as well. This is the way that economics works … We question only their politics.”

Because politics is how they dress up economic interests — like the allegory of the emperor’s new clothes. A dangerous illusion …

As they say, all it takes for the world to go to hell is for good men to do nothing …




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28 Responses to “The vultures of the halal ‘certification’ institutions”

Finally, understanding of what the perfect way of life should be. In an ideal world, no one would be expoited; not the human, and certainly not the chicken! The problem with the Islamic state of affairs is that we have taken a book of broad principles - much like a constitution - containing a framework for a perfect life and sought to entrench the manner in which these principles are achieved by codifying the thinking and understanding of people who lived between the 7th and 12th centuries. A principle is an idea, a concept and not the manner of how one goes about achieving or implementing the concept. The implementation must be fluid, the principle unchanging.

The “halaal industry” as I term it, has become big business. If there is one halaal standard (even by conservative thinking), then why do we need 6 or 10 or 12 or however many halaal certification agencies? And each agency has no difficulty in condemning the other as “wrong”.
It is my understanding that food sellers and manufacturers pay annual fees to the halaal certification agencies for the right to use the halaal mark. Some pay more than one agency.
I can understand that there may small fees required to ensure that the halaal agencies can operate and to defry their costs - but shouldn’t one agency then be enough? Surely there is a duplication of costs by having multiple agencies?
And if I eat food certified by one agency, and not by another, is it still halaal?
The author has raised important issues about what is to be halaal - surely the manner in which I slaughter an animal, and invoke the name of God cannot be the only criteria for declaring something as “permissible”. Does that mean if I slaughter a diseased animal in the prescribed manner it is permissible? Clearly not! I would be doing myself great harm in consuming such tainted meat, and not doubt suffer the consequences for my stupidity.
Would a halaal agency certify a slaughter house that slaughtered diseased meat in the islamic prescribed fashion? If they do, I would have grave reservation in consuming anything that bore such an accrediation mark. Maybe its time for these agencies to think about what their real purpose is.

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Anya on November 29th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

Khadija, interesting post. Just so I am clear, you are arguing that GM foods are haraam?

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Ebrahim-Khalil Hassen on November 29th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

Brilliant article, however i thought that the digression into vilifying the Ulama towards the end was not necessary. Definitely we all need to question the source of what we eat and should have no excuses for not doing so!
GM foods haraam - definitely!
one halaal authority - not in my (short) lifetime

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Akmat on December 3rd, 2007 at 3:38 pm

A brave article, coming in from some necessary angles. I particularly like the way it uses important concrete examples to bring out the reality (at least as I understand it!)that Islam, rather than being rigid, dogmatic and shallow, is in fact creative, inclusive and alive to the times.

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Muzammal Hussain on December 4th, 2007 at 12:36 am

This is a significant post that ought to become famous. I still need to read it carefully a few times. Nevertheless it seems clear that it should inspire an equally impressive self criticism in the Christian world. My feeling is this is unlikely. First place goes to Khadija the Muslim!

On my part it seems that the monotheist cultures of this world are the world’s greatest problem. The historical evidence is overwhelming.

As I have stated elsewhere, the reason is simple. Man can only know God in his own image. To promote this god as the God of all, he says he is in His image, and this is propaganda worthy of Karl Rove.

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MidaFo on December 4th, 2007 at 4:36 am

Salaam Muzammal - President of LINE, thanks for coming around. I appreciate it. Of course you have said it better a thousand times over.

Hi MidaFo, true, all religions need to address this specific problem as apart of the dialogue between man and his environment, unfortunately, such dialogue has been declared irrelevent and is now caught between the polemics of a green utopia that denies man access to the earth as a form of sustenance, love etc or considered wholly from an economic perspective…

Hi Akmat

I am sorry of you perceived me as vilifying those who call themselves Ulama.

The Halaal stamp is actually being masqueraded as something accredited by God. Whomever gives themselves the mandate to decide, think, act etc on behalf of another has given himself the right to act as Pharoah, glibly moving from life to life and inevitably death.
No human has the right to mould institutions that are formative to the inhumanity that has come about, by virtue of opportunists. I cannot accord respect where none is due. I admire your conviction and believe that you will be one of those to make the difference.

Salaam Mr Hassen

GM amongst other things mentioned - Haraam.
The companies which specialise in biotech are the very same that specialise in the production of weapons of chemical warfare, one of which re: herbicides. Fertilizers are toxic to the earth, in fact, such ‘fertilizer’ can no longer be dumped in the ocean according to the EPA and can only be exported as ‘aid’. The EPA is of course the environmental protection agency in the U.S. Many of the products sold today whether biscuits or veg etc are manufactured/grown in these third world countries - the system debilitates not only the economies but also the ecology and the livelihood of millions re: indigenous.

Thanks for writing.

Hi Anya

Sorry for the delay, I forget about comments part;&

All that you say is true, I believe as you do. However, even those jurists of magnitude such as Imam Ghazzali or the Prophet (S.A.W)etc laid down strict laws relating to the protection of the environment, both mans and that which belongs to the ecology. Whilst I am mot so much interested in the philosophies of the past, it is importent to be cognizant of what said then in order to fully know our position in the world we currently live in. The past paves the way for the present…and mankind has not changed very much, except in costume and theatre..It was a usual practice in war to leave the conquered territories a ruin, kill the animals, men, elders, kids, keep the women as booty, burn the fields and crops, poison the water sources etc
Ibn Khaldun once stated that the inhumanity of man is best seen within the context of mans interaction to his surroundings…He has been taken out of context, as Ghazzali has been -
As you rightly say, the principle is the root and must be able to effect and impact our times as we move through the world, else these principles are fables and myths.You are certainly a very intelligent person and perhaps we had the similar thoughts at exactly the same time?:)

Thanks for writing.

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Khadija Sharife on December 7th, 2007 at 8:57 am

Dear Khadija

I think you understand very little of Ghazali - which book of his did you exactly read. can you tell me? What are the major shifts in his life? Can you tell me?

And, that of Ibn Khaldun, which of his books and what was his key theory? - Don’t check the Wikipedia now.

All your comments about Islam and nature a rhetorical nonsense? All practices related to what you call the Prophet’s wise tropes about nature are practices of custom ‘urf’. Islam never developed a full theory of nature like Taoism or Shitoaism did. It was subsequent development - a result of Islam’s encounter with the western tradition. Even western philosophy had no intrinsic thesis of nature. It’s all a later development and people like Heidegger, Dewey and others tried to develop a philosophy of the relation between humans and nature in a sophisticated way.

I would say Rousseau is the closest we have to have to come to some thesis on nature during the classical period - especially his work Emile and his book Discourse on Inequality.

But all this other stuff you talk about is the work of apologist - not that I am suggesting that the idea of nature does not exist in the Quran but there was no coherent thesis on it in the classical period. I think the Sufis came close to developing something - but it bordered on a form of paganism: check the works of Rumi, ibn Alarabi (he was particular condemned by the orthodoxy), and others.

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John Savaga on December 7th, 2007 at 12:23 pm

Dear Khadija

We have collected 8126 signatures with ID and address verification opposing this piece of tripe. The Muslim community of South Africa will not allow such rubbish to float around and undermine the Ulema. Where were you when the Ulema was fighting for our rights against Apartheid? You disgust me anbd clearly have not idea about the knowledge our Ulema have. Islam says very little in the way of the environment. This is all fictitiuous rubbish.

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Aslam on December 20th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

Your declarations on food ‘quality’ and cleanliness are of concern if there are no reseach from which you pronounce.The fact that Khadijah never found answers is of great concern.So the Halaal stamping food industry cannot account that and are not keeping up with the trends in food production.Like one time we verified a Train Ticket examinor who has been in the trade for 21 years only to find that he is not only illiterate but cannot even see!I feel like ‘vomiting’(sorry for that) because I Halaal approvaal I never questioned when doing my grocery.If the food chain is not researched qualitatively then this we are being cheated!I read the comments above,but with due respect none are responding to issues raised in the column.Someone should say yes there is research backed by procedures.Are we being taken for a ride! Food can modify genes,hormones,cause moods swings etc.We cannot allow to be just be fed poisons just because of collusion by people high up! What about the Jewish Council:Have they got scientific food’value-chain researches’that conciders Environmental effects on Agriculture?

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Sthandiwe on December 30th, 2007 at 9:12 am

Hi, I see the vilifying has started. But please go ahead and show up these jokers.

Herewith the Quranic standpoint on halal meat and not the mullah’s:

Many Muslims talk about what they call “Halal Meat” without even knowing their Quranic criteria. Most Muslims are usually faced by some other Muslims who tell them, “do not eat but the ‘Halal meat’.

” So what do they really mean by Halal meat?
And how does their concept agree with the Quranic meaning of the word?

The Quran teaches that God is extremely displeased with those who prohibit anything that was not specifically prohibited in the Quran, See 16:112-116.

The upholding of any prohibitions not specifically mentioned in the Quran is tantamount to idolatry, See 6:142-152.

Such prohibitions represent some other god(s) beside God. If you worship God Alone, you will uphold His Laws ALONE and honor the commandments and prohibitions instituted by HIM ALONE.

God very clearly mentioned in the Quran what is prohibited from the food and meat. See 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115. From these verses you can know what is Halal (lawful) meat and what is haram (prohibited).

“He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.”[2:173]

“Halal Meat” as we know it these days, is a term used more often for commercial profits than religious observance. Those who call their meat Halal, are in some way insinuating that any other meat is not Halal, or specifically the meat in the general grocery stores is not Halal. They make more money on their products by selling it more expensive while deceiving the naive public Muslims into believing that their meat is the only Halal meat for the Muslims.

You do not need to guess hard to understand the MERCY of the MOST merciful. God Almighty knows many Muslims will be living in the middle of Christians and Jews and will be sharing their food and for this reason God told the Prophet Muhammed more than 1400 years ago, the following;

“Today, all good food is made lawful for you. The food of the people of the scripture (Jews & Christians) is LAWFUL (HALAL) for you……”5:5

Moreover, God Almighty has also specified a very important criteria for His true believers, MENTION GOD”S NAME on everything you are going to eat. See 5:4, & 6:118-119,

“You shall eat from that upon which God’s name has been pronounced, if you truly believe in His revelation.” 6:118

“Why should you NOT eat from that upon which God’s name has been mentioned ? He has DETAILED for you what is prohibited for you, unless you are forced. Indeed, many people mislead others with their personal opinions, without knowledge. Your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors.” 6:119

Sadly, the corrupt Muslims have substituted God’s condition for making food lawful (which is through uttering God’s name on it before eating it) by a new un-Quranic condition of their own making. Somehow they have made slaughtering the ONLY lawful method of killing an animal for its meat.

Needless to say, there is no such restriction in the Quran. As a result of this corrupt restriction, they insist that to make food Halal the name of God must be uttered on it before slaughtering it. The following arguments all show that this imposed restriction is false and that it is not part of God’s law in the Quran:

1- The first reason is that (unless you are a butcher ) you are not the person who slaughtered the animal …. and since the Quran is clear in holding people accountable ONLY to what they did personally, then the only certain way to confirm that the name of God has been uttered on the meat is for each person to utter God’s name on the food before eating it.
“Every human being is responsible only for his own works.” 53:39

2- The spiritual reason behind uttering God’s name on our food before eating it is given in 16:114. This is to constantly remember and be appreciative of God’s blessings on us:
“Therefore, you shall eat from God’s provisions everything that is lawful and good, and BE APPRECIATIVE OF GOD’S BLESSINGS, if you do worship Him alone.” 16:114

This act of appreciation for God’s blessings would not be genuine and heart felt if we rely on someone else uttering God’s name somewhere in the slaughter house.

3- By reading 6:114, we note that the command of uttering God’s name is related to what we eat in general and not just meat. The command in the verse means that we should utter God’s name on all food before eating it and not just meat. This includes fruit, vegetables, or even snacks like bisquits or peanuts … etc. Consequently, and since we cannot slaughter fruit nor peanuts, the only method to obey God’s law is to utter His name before eating all foods.

4- If we read 5:5, we note that God made it lawful for us to eat the food of the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians). But as the Christians in particular do not say the name of God before slaughtering, yet their food is lawful for us (5:5), this can only mean that the duty is laid on each of us before eating our food and nothing else.

God knows that one day these slaughter houses will be run by machines and computers. He assigned the responsibility to every true Muslim to mention His name on his /her food.

Sadly, we see many Muslims today, and because of their obsession with the restriction of slaughtering, buying and gulping what they are told is halal meat, yet when they eat other food (e.g. fruit or vegetables) they ignore God’s command to utter His name on it. Hence, and since they ignored God’s commands and followed man made innovations they in fact are eating a lot of food that according to the Quran is unlawful.

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Dear John

Do you know Ghazali? I for one was disgusted after I started researching Ghazali. This is what I found:

Imam Ghazali (11th century CE) is supposed to be one of the top Mullas and Sufis of the Islamic world. The copy of his famous Ehyaul Uloom, being used here for reference purposes, was printed by Maktaba Rahmania Urdu Bazaar, Lahore, and translated by “Maulana” Mohammad Ehsan Nanotwi.
It is ironic that the very title of the book translates as “The Renaissance of All Knowledge.”

As we proceed, it might occur to you that the proper title should have been, “The Demise of Common Sense.” Let us examine some of the things he is discussing in his work and see how relevant it is to building an Islamic Society:

Junaid Baghdadi used to say, I need sex as much as I need food¡¨ (Ehyaul Uloom p.53).
Hazrat Umar Farooq used to break his fast (not by eating or drinking), but by having sexual intercourse. During Ramadhan he used to have intercourse with three concubines before Salat-il-Isha (Ehyaul Uloom 2:52).

The best prescription for good health is to marry young women (Ehyaul Uloom 2:37).
Men of knowledge sleep on their right side, kings sleep on their left, and Satan sleeps with his face down (reference same, p.39).
Going for a bath without breakfast and then delaying breakfast will kill a person. I will be surprised if he survives (Ghazali quoting Imam Shafaai, reference same, p.39).
Sahabi Maaz bin Jabl was dying of Plague. He said, “Have me married, because I hate to meet Allah while I am single¡¨ (reference same, p.42). Ah! The poor woman, marrying for instant widowhood!
The best among my friends is the one who overeats and places big morsels in his mouth (Imam Jaafar Sadiq quoted by Ghazali, reference same 2:12).
The Prophet said that a piece of rug lying in a corner of the house is better than a woman who is infertile (reference same, p.48).
A hadith says a dark woman who bares children is better than a beautiful woman who bares no children (reference same, p.49). Did you notice dark used as a synonym for ugly?
Find a woman who is beautiful, well mannered, has big black eyes and black hair, and a white complexion (reference same, p.73). This is probably Ghazalis dream girl who he could never attract.
The Prophet said, “The best wives are those who are beautiful and their mehr (marital gift) is small” (reference same p.74). In actuality, the Holy Prophet advised character as first and foremost in the selection of a spouse.
Do not marry a woman who is infertile (p.75). Ghazali does not say how he would test a woman for infertility. Didnt Ghazali reflect that his sister or daughter could also suffer from infertility?
Our mullahs of Islam can only conceive of the woman as a wife, a bearer of children, and an object of desire. They forget that a mother, a sister and a daughter are also women. If only one of Ghazali¡¦s parents had been infertile.

In Ehyaul Uloom vol.2 p.52 Ghazali goes on to says, When a man’s organ is in erection, two thirds of his mind and two thirds of his religion have departed from him.¨ This is the wisdom of our Hujjatul Islam¨ (meaning The Testimony of Islam, a nickname for Ghazali)!

After finishing your meal lick the cup or plate and drink its washings. That becomes a marital gift for the hoors (p.13). Are the heavenly beauties such a trivial bargain?

Imam Hasan used to divorce four women and marry four women at the same hour. That is why the Prophet has said, “Hasan is from me¨ (p.55). According to the Holy Prophet the most undesirable among permissible acts is divorce.

The messenger of Allah said, No work is dearer to Allah than remaining hungry and thirsty. Salat, Saum, and service to humanity do not come close to ascetism (Imam Ghazali, Kimiya-e-Saadat p.483).

For centuries, Islamic preisthood has promoted rahbaniyat (ascetism) as great piety. The Holy Prophet admonished, There is no ascetism in Islam (several sources). The Quran (28:77) commands not to forget our portion in this world. You will note that non-Muslims are delighted with ascetics because their philosophy takes away the vitality of Islam.
Kimiya-e-Saadat (the Alchemy of Grace) is supposedly the masterpiece of “Hujjatul Islam” (Ghazali). Mullas and Sufis have promoted this work for centuries as a fountain of knowledge. The copy used here for reference purposes is from Madina Publishing Company, Karachi, Pakistan. The translator is “Maulana” Mohammad Saeed Ahmed Naqshbandi.

A woman who has a bad lineage (i.e. she descends from a sinful person anywhere in her family tree) is always of foul character. Therefore, it is one of the cardinal rules to abstain from marrying such a woman (Kimiya-e-Saadat p.261). Ghazali here not only violates a basic commandment of the Quran: ¡§No soul shall bear the burden of another, but also hits woman and acquits man.

Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq used to carry pebbles in his mouth so that he would not speak (Kimya-e-Saadat p.505). Someone should have put pebbles in Ghazalis pen!

A saint correctly said, I am not scared of a lion, as I am scared of a boy under puberty because of lust (Kimiya-e-Saadat p.497).

Prophet David fell because of his eye and committed sin with his neighbors wife (Kimiya-e-Saadat p.497). The Qur’an confirms that all prophets had a spotless character.

A wife should forever remain a bondwoman to her husband. Do not let her go to the door, to the top of the house, or outside (p.265). Here is a direct assault on the character of the Holy Prophet: When the mother of believers, Saudah, became older, the Prophet thought of divorcing her. She urged the messenger of Allah, I will give my nights to the young Aisha. Please do not divorce me. Upon hearing this, the Prophet began spending two nights with Aisha (Ghazali on the authority of Bukhari). Ghazali plus Bukhari equals disaster.

Dear Reader, please note that our Mulla insists on calling Ghazali, The Testimony of Islam. Even an ordinary man would hesitate to inflict such cruelty upon his wife as Ghazali and Bukhari attribute to the Holy Prophet.

On p.53 of Ehyaul Uloom, vol.2, Ghazali further insults the Holy Messenger thus: He came out of his house. On his way he saw a woman. The messenger turned back at once, went inside his house and had sex with Zainab. Then he came out and said, Whenever a woman comes in front, she comes in the form of a Satan.¨ How on earth did Ghazali or any one else come to know that the Prophet (SA) did such a thing? Were the Prophet and his followers so fond of publicizing their personal relations? Our historians try to portray the Holy Prophet spending half of his time on the prayer rug and the other half in bed. This was a man who changed the course of history. God forbid, was He (SA) so obsessed with sex like these Mullas?

There he goes again on p.56 of the same book: Rasul complained to the angel Gabriel of his impotence. Gabriel advised Harissa¡¨ (a herb). Ghazali and Ibnil Qayyam explain elsewhere that the herb was an important prescription since there was an army of women who could marry no one else and their desire had to be fulfilled.

The Prophet said, If a husband has all of his body, from head to toe, filled with pus and the wife licks him all over, even then she has not thanked him enough (Ehyaul Uloom 2:103). Could this be the teaching of the Qur’an and the Messenger, or is it the sickness of Ghazali?

Quoting Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal, Ghazali writes that obtaining exquisite pleasure from sex is the fortress of religion (Ehyaul Uloom 2:73). Hanbal plus Ghazali equals disaster!

The Holy Prophet told Zaid bin Harith, ¡§You are my brother and my maula (master). Zaid started dancing in ecstasy (Kimya-e-Sa¡¦adat p.419). An apologetic defense has been written for Ghazali in this context: Maula¡¨ could also mean a slave. But in that case there was no reason for Zaid to rejoice because he had been a slave before. Malfoozat Makki states that Zaid rejoiced because he had given his wife Zainab to the Prophet!

Ghazali advises that the health of a newborn baby will be better if the sexual encounter between the husband and the wife was vigorous (Ehyaul Uloom 2:76).

On p.81 of the same book Ghazali insults Hazrat Umar: Umar said, Ask women their choice in any matter and then act precisely in opposite terms. There is a blessing in doing the opposite of what women advise.

Hazrat Ali said, Start your food with a breakfast of salt and Allah will remove seventy afflictions. Eating sweets causes the testicles to dangle¡¨ (Ehyaul Uloom 2:36). Strangely enough, it is hard to come across a Mulla who is not fond of sweets.

Always marry a woman who gives birth to plenty of children (Ehyaul Uloom p.75, Ghazali here seeks authority from Baihaqi and Bukhari). Does this need any comment? Mullas ascribe such insults to the glorious name of the Exalted Prophet.

It is highly tragic that stories of this kind are being taught in our Islamic schools and masajid. This is absolutely not the Islam Mohammad (SA) brought to this world. In the words of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Muslims are following a man-made religion. Sir Iqbal called it Ajami (foreign) Islam. According to Allama Iqbal, the primary reason for the creation of Pakistan was to replace this Ajami Islam with the true Islam that Prophet Mohammad had brought.

It is easy to see that this mindset is the fundamental cause of the universal downfall of Muslims. The true Islam is very much alive and vibrant in the Holy Quran, if only we would turn to it.

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ardee on January 14th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Salaams Khadija,

What are your thoughts on Cloned meat and Islam? Perhaps an article?

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=329756&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/

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Niyaaz on January 16th, 2008 at 9:18 am

Dear Ardee

Well, you have proven my point hence silence from our Ghazali scholar Khadija. She like Roberts my other friend skate on thin ice and think readers on blogs are just a bunch of lazy readers. Now Khadija knows that sitting on Wikipedia is no replacement for reading the real stuff. I actually think she’s a great writer. A little wet behind the ears when it comes to politics but I think she will be a great writer. But she needs to focus and study her subjects more thoroughly. She’s equally uninformed about Khaldun. But anyway, Ardee you have vindicated me.

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John Savaga on January 19th, 2008 at 12:00 am

Sorry, we lost a guy re: work and now have much more stuff to do.
Please ask your questions Mr Savaga?? what were they?? Ibn Khalduns interpretation and treatment of the sources, methods, nature, identity esp. regarding technological, philosphic and sociological disciplines etc strongly implies that we know of as the Sunnah must be examined within the context of newer ‘discoveries’ measured by contemporary Islamic thought (as opposed to ) frozen interpretations re: rational sciences etc and should be overruled lest it not concur with Shariya values - the Shariya (which can be loosely taken as the science of the ‘law’) is different in every religious, social, national, ethnic etc orbit - thus we have German Shariyya or law, French Shariyya even Hapshee Shariyya(a small group of Ethiopian Muslims living in India for the past 750 years)- Shariyya is country, nation etc specific

Islamic Shariyya is comprised of a few fixed laws that can be adapted and lived in every age with its own exigencies of the time; in the case of the Sunna for eg: being held up against Istislah, certainly the latter has more authority…Islamic law as you know it is then the interpretation of specific Muslim ‘thinkers’ or ‘Ulema’ who have determined the boundaries, sometimes within a specific age, forwarded by certain vested interests and agendas eg: Ghazzali -( alluding to the fact that so-called Islamic countries, societies, civilisations and Islamic leaders don’t necessarily stand for or reflect Islamic law, rather they are Muslims born into a Islamic culture, most lacking basic knowledge, often constructing and superimposing values that promote a specific type of leadership or lifestyle, not necessarily Islamic in nature.Ibn Khalduns typology reflects the continuation of orthodox thoughts re: judiciary process and did not separate empirical thought from Islamic thought, similarly Ghazzali did not either - I don’t agree with the bulk of what Ghazzali stood for especially within the context of gender roles, but concerning Fiqh he specifically stated that the reductionism of the sciences and the lack of in depth narratives concerning philosophy, aqliya ( rational sciences) and tabiyya (natural sciences) would be the undoing of the Islamic civilisation..
Importently, the law that the Ulema refer too is called Ulum Shariyya (science/law of the spirit) and cannot be developed unless the scholar is learned of the above mentioned sciences. Ulum Shariyya is the highest level of science yet the degree required to enter and study such cannot be attained unless one has learned to read the Quran in its many different levels of thought:
the Quran is a book of natural, social, economic, socio-political, historical, biological etc sciences - the physical creation or Rahim, the realization of creation is what allows for us to ponder the very nature of this existence and purpose and concept of life. Our Ulema have little concept of the ’sciences’ of the Quran, even if solely to do with human nature or the human condition. But I am always in hope that the few brilliant Islamic leaders that I know will emerge to take their rightful position. Right now in CT there is a conference called the IIM where Islamic Thought Leaders are gathered including Totonji.

Thanks for writing Mr Savaga, lol, I only read Wikipedia re: musicians, etc etc nice way to quickly find out who is in what band;)
Please ask your questions etc etc keep well K

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Khadija Sharife on January 19th, 2008 at 10:47 am

Dear Khadija - sweet bunny girl.

It’s nice to see exhibit A: the ravenous ego raising its head in the play humble act of the blogger. In that respect you share the same pyschosis as our friend Suresh. But thanks for spending time. I would say giving your writing skills you should get off the blog and do the real stuff don’t waste all your talent in cyperspace amongst coons like myself.

Khaldun was not a jurist. He was a sought of sociologist/historian who tried to contextualise the history of the development of the various sciences within the tradition of Islam. He like Ghazali took the orthodox view - wanting to clearly separate the rational from the traditional sciences.

The right word to use is Ulum’uddin and shariah itself is a product of usul-al-figh. Maybe you should be studying that little pumpkin.

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John Savaga on January 19th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

Mr Savaga, now you know why I wear a hat; big ears that tend to get me into trouble;)

I had a very organized guy handle all my emails, he sorted them into folders etc which I never looked at.. So TL readers comments were hidden until actually coming to website and seeing it. Not ego, just pure unadulterated idiocy on my part.

usul-al-fiqh? this can apply to any aspect of shariyya law, not a monolithic construct..it means, penetrating root of the law, before we can penetrate root one must be able to establish precisely what is law ie: Islamic juristic sciences - which Khaldun was an old hand at orecisely because he was a sociologist, historian, even an ethnologist when the time called for it: this is what comprised Islamic law / Islamic jurisprudence.
Islam can only be known through the law/sciences of the Quran, which is in great part sociological, biological etc
Usul-al-fiqh is meant to be the interpretation of Islamic knowledge (as per Quran, the textual sign or ayah of Islam) by the ’scholars or ulum’. Unfortunately, now that Islam has been reduced to a religion - its overwhelming essence (tabiyya shariyya or environmental/natural etc law) has been marginalised, aqliyya or rational sciences/disciplines like engineering, are secular sciences and so again, divorced from environmental/tabiyya law and ulum us shariyya, or what has been interpretated by the fuqaha (islamic scholars/ulema/mullah) as nothing but ‘religious’ rituals.
Deductive ijma, qiyas or ijtihad in referance to Islamic jurisprudence/juristic law (which extends to the Islamic concept of the law of sociology etc) cannot be done via Ulum-ud-din or scholars of the faith/religion, unless the value system of the Shariyya is known. Thus even the Muslim who is an engineer has to incorporate into his life the Shariyya realm of knowledge: environmental engineering that is cognizant of the earth in relation to Man, maintaining the Aslama of peace. The creation or second ayah of Islam is thus what must be studied as referance to the first ayah or Quran.
Similarly, inductive qiyas, ijtihad, ijma re: the spirit or Ulum cannot be known unless the value system of the Quran is understood in all its manifestations.
The Sunnah in this case would not be a science because it is not an extra-rational judgement whereby the way the beloved Prophet (saw) brushed his teeth alluded to a greater form of living - not so. The Prophet stated that his ‘Sunnah’ or way was not necessarily legal and binding, definately alluding to the ulema who have carved out an ulum-ud-din before even having understood the ulum-as shariyya.how could they go about fashioning gross structures of the state of Islam before even studying what comprises Islam or the laws/sciences of our faith. Shariyya first or fiqh/sciences first? thats like chicken and egg, except that one did precede the other:
The shariyya is comprised of only a few fixed laws already clearly stated in the Quran, Shariyya is not a product of fiqh or interpretation of the sciences/laws - fiqh is the result of having studying the Quran and developing a narrative on the sciences/law = Shariyya.
But when it comes to chickens and eggs, actually, I like mine free range and roasted (chicken) or scrambled (eggs) but it gets to me very often, that I am eating a beautiful sweet little creature with eyes, heart, chirps etc The thing is, I really dont like my veggies. bleh.

Mr Savaga, you seem to know a great deal about Islam, perhaps you should apply for job at SANHA?;) That would definately make things better for us.
In fact, even Jacob Zuma as Mullah could make things better for us.

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Khadija Sharife on January 20th, 2008 at 8:55 am

Dear Khadija

I know what usul-al-figh is - in any case it was developed long after the Prophet Mohamed because some consistency and rules had to be devised in order to ensure that the way to watering hole (metaphorically speaking)- meanig Shar’iah has some basis. Coherence so to speak had to be given to an otherwise very disorganized body of texts ( Quranic interpretations, hadith and ijma of the Caliphs). So started one of the most innovative and wonderful intellectual periods in islamic history - the flourish of ulum-din ( the religious sciences). So they developed rules of qiyas, ila (deriving the sabab of the law (meaning its context), when to use al-nasikh wal mansukh and the use of ijma etc. Shafi is the first to have introduced order in the developed of Shariah law in his book the Risala where his systematised the development of usul-alfigh.

What are branches of ulum-din: the study of the isnad ( authentification of the hadith), kalam ( well you have to be careful which one you talking of here), tafsir ( tabari is the most popular), etc. And some would even add mantiq ( the study of logic, the Shia’s certainly teach that in Qum). I don’t know if ijtehad is really dead. It may be in the Sunni world.

Maslaha mursala can still be allowed where there is clearly no precedent and a situation requires that you take the ethos of shariah and use it to guide the derivation of a new law - I am trying to think of an area that would qualify for this. Certainly in Iran there is more leniency to this. I like the Shias they are far more pragmatic than the Sunnis.

Maybe I will apply to be an ayatollah.

PS I don’t think shariah should span its wings so wide that if I were to fart the shariah must also have a word on that. That’s where orthodox Islam gets weirder and weirder.

Regards pumpkin

Yours Mullah Savaga (how does that sound)

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John Savaga on January 20th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Dear Savaga and Khadija,

I sense some fun and a sharp competitive edge here, not only against each other but also against all who are the ignorant out here. It is also true that Savaga is acting a bit like a pumpkin seed. Nevertheless you know each other; possibly without ever having met.

Which introduces the other edge. What you are exposing is important in that, referring to a different religion, you both display the characteristics of Sadducees and the Pharisees.

In South Africa we call it a broedertwis.

Unless one is having the other on, you are both Monotheists. Correspondingly and as evidenced by these posts you display Gnostic characteristics, meaning the claim to a higher level of acquaintance with God and you both exhaustively back it with details.

This is wonderful because, as we all know, it is not the truth that is in the detail: it is the Devil.

Most Monotheists will deny the association of Gnosticism with Monotheism but the chronic wars, not only in the present and in history but also easily foreseeable in the near future, conclusively deny this denial.

Try this: all Monotheists have delusions of grandeur and intrinsically claim to be God.

My post is for fun. As you read it, remember reading about the violent deaths, directly attributable to Monotheists, now happening for so long in the time frame mentioned above.

As they happen, fun is excluded.

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MidaFo on January 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Midafo- my friend you back in cyber-town.

Well, I think Khadija is trying to prove that she can wage war with the Mullahs and all I am doing is sharpening her Arabic sword when she goes into Jihad.

I would also recommend a spear and a bow and arrow - she should mount a camel and charge henceforth into the deep abyss of the desert chasing after the infidels. She should carry a lot of Evan water because the camels back may brake.

She should recite this poem while seeking her enemy:

We live, we die.
No point in it all.
Or so it seems.
To live, but not to die.
No it cannot be.
One must die.
To live and then die.

PS ‘God! I want 70 virgin men if I die.

Tralalala

Savaga

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John Savaga on January 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm

On the contrary, to believe in one God as the ultimate creator of all man, but more specifically - all creation - is to understand that all wars, fomentations, divisions are the result of deliberate attempts to separate man from his immutable natural rights as well as from his fellow man - whom he shares a 99.9 genome similarity.
How does that 0.01 manage to confuse and divide us so?

Mullah S - I have ridden camels, painful;) they are moody creatures and love to emphasis their independence. love em;)

What should I call my camel? The Mahdi?
My mother is of a Shiite background;) Iranians are a proud fierce race - My mother is iranian. Powerful women, I shake when she unleashes herself.

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Khadija Sharife on January 21st, 2008 at 6:21 pm

Yes, I made out from your surname your were either from a certain part of Pakistan or Iran. But I am rather disappointed you have not taken on Shi’ism. The Tablighis hate the Shias so do the Wahhabis but it is the Shia’s who bring pride and joy to the desert these days. Haha

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John Savaga on January 21st, 2008 at 7:42 pm

It remains, Khadija.

It is the question of how anyone can have an idea of God other than the idea he has of himself. We all invent God.

‘How does that 0.01 manage to confuse and divide us so?’
Well followers of the three Great Monotheist religions throughout history have the habit of asserting themselves as the self for all man: they say one God but mean my God. It is a claim to Divinity;they mean Me!
Note the capitals? Now get rid of them and laugh with me!
To keep them is mad!

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MidaFo on January 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 am

We have to be careful here.

This is not a contest of wits.

Sharife has written a significant and searching blog at the beginning of all of this. In my book and amongst other things, she is to be given attention for her bravery and her honesty; her intellectual integrity.

“Bravo Sharife! It is hard to fully express my admiration; more so because you are a believer and I am not and would aim to alter your belief to make you fly free should I be able.”

Her considerable wits, skills and gnosis are admirable but are nevertheless superficialities next to this. It is not often we find a combination of blithe skill and prescient relevance such this young lady exhibits.

Now Mr Savaga, you did indeed trap her neatly into your contest of gnostic blogs (see my post 12:21). But this observation allows me to make the observation that your posts are obscuring the value of her contribution.

Oddly enough this is the tactic within the propaganda (’Public Diplomacy’ in America) as employed by the CIA blogger with/from a mainframe who with the aid of an easy access to a vast library of terms and names and a budget to boot swamps the likes of Aljazeera’s blogs with a vast array of facile, predetermined, emotive and crap non-sequiturs. Otherwise it is at least that of the obsessively dedicated blogger psychologically sympathetic to the agenda of such as the CIA. Either an ‘Evil Empire’ or a crank in other words and neither admirable.

I am sure you are none of the above. You seem to be having fun and it is indeed funny. You are also well informed and skilful. But it remains that there are times when a certain type of fun is at best blithely irrelevant and at worst purposefully evil.

Watch it!

We all have to.

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MidaFo on January 22nd, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Dear Midafo

Thanks for your humble words but I think I was entertaining Khadija and she is getting rather bored on these blogs because she doesn’t really have a good sparring partner.

You the second person saying I am some sort of cyber-spy - first it was Khadija now you. You have been reading too many spy thrillers. Usually, people say these things about me because they a bit disorientated. Or maybe they a little jealous I have such a great job.

Anyway, you keep the show going.

Savaga

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John Savaga on January 22nd, 2008 at 4:57 pm

No. I didn’t call you a spy.
While ‘I am sure you are non of the above’ I did point out similarities. In the end I am both accusing you of watching too many spy movies or the like and opining that while the world is a movie screen some movies are better than others.
You have nevertheless neatly exposed a Gnostic conceit hidden within Ms Sharife’s talents which she will do better to consider carefully.
This means that, finally, you carry the day.

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MidaFo on January 23rd, 2008 at 12:02 am

It has been nice exploring the contours the Mullah Savagas mind. He is of course the future of Islamic epistemology..

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Khadija Sharife on January 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 am

Khadija

I love the ring to that title: ‘Mullah Savaga’ - Savage Mullah. Mullah ibn Savage/Savaga - you choose. I just need a good first name Yehudi ibn Savage/Savaga. (now that will go down very well)

But on a serious note. You raise an interesting angle - a new epistemology for Islam. I think it’s long overdue. why don’t we explore that - what would that mean? How do we liberalise the text? Tariq ramadan has called for a moratorium on hudud? What say you?

I think there should be a complete revisiting of the usul-al-figh. I know that will cause a stir but it is an interesting perspective. What if we use hermeneutical techniques of Gadamer or Derridean methods of reading - meanings upon layers of meaning hidden within each other.

Khadija let me ask you a question- why is a non-Muslim treated by some Muslim scholars as not being equal to a Muslim. And others I think the Hanafis say that if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim the non-Muslim shall be treated in the hudud laws as being equal to that of the Muslim? The Muslim man can either pay the blood money (diyya) or have their heads chopped off if the family of the deceased deem it so.

Why such variation of readings of the word qisas in the Quran- how can the Quran be said to be not without interpretation on a fundamental issue like the question of punishment.

Here different schools derive completely different conclusions on what the appropriate punishment should be on a linquistic/semantic divergence.

You see why Shariah/Figh can be so confused as one and the same thing. How can the quran which is the final word leave us so confused?

Mullah Yehudi ibn Savaga

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John Savaga on January 23rd, 2008 at 10:25 am

Ah but, Ms Sharife, it is not finished. Good point about epistemology but you have not explored the contours of his mind: he has not given anything to explore.
Having carried the day by enticing you to show off and then neatly countering you it is no longer enough for him to talk about about what you think. It is his turn now to state what he thinks about the halal practices and institutes.
If he does not he is merely mischievous and, like a barbarian, less than you, the seemingly vanquished: meaning he will be soundly losing the war.
Come on Savaga. You have your foot firmly in it now. What do you say?
Or are you a dilettante?

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MidaFo on January 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 am

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