Comments on: The Dalai Lama will trump China — soon

By: Jon Cayzer

Jon Cayzer — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:51:20 +0000

@Jean

That was very naughty – and very funny…

By: Kalsang

Kalsang — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:46:40 +0000

1. China, stop destroying Tibetan culture, language, religion and traditions.

2. China, stop arresting, torturing and killing Tibetans in Tibet.

3. China, shame on you for celebrating the success of robbing the independent Tibet from Tibetans and making Tibetans to suffer in their own land.

4. China, shame on you for begging everywhere and everyone for support of making Tibet as a part of China.

5. Every nation on this earth is not ashamed of saying independent Tibet as a part of China and fearing of even saying few workd against China’s human right voilations in Tibet.

6. Every country on this earth is trying to appease China by not supporting the truth and rights of Tibetans. You left Tibetans to suffer in the hands of cruel China.

By: Kalsang

Kalsang — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:19:49 +0000

1. China celebrating the success of robbing Tibet from Tibetans.
2. China celebrating the success of killing 1.3 million Tibetans in Tibet.
3. China is celebrating the success of arresting and torturing Tibetans.
4. China is celebrating the success of giving suffering and problems to Tibetans.
5. China is celebrating the success of terrorising Tibetans.
6. China is celebrating for the success of getting happiness by making Tibetans to suffer and making Tibet and hell for Tibetans.
7. China is forcing Tibetans to honour Chinese killers, Chinese robbers, Chinese liars, Chinese terrorists and Chinese torturers.

By: Jean Racine

Jean Racine — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:39:13 +0000

Cayzer, on an earlier post on the Rhema sect you elaborated quite extensively and knowledgeably on the bible. Tell me, who is the patron saint of lost causes?

First the IFP and now the Dalai Lama!!!

By: winkie

winkie — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:05:55 +0000

What I find amazing is that NO-ONE in this debate ever suggests that we ask the Tibetans what they want. That would be the democratic route, neh? A simple referendum of a few million oughta do it. But we can’t do that – might turn out to be what neither side wants.
Two more thoughts: nation states are not passe. One can be part of a global world without paying tribute to a big fat monster like China, or India, or the USA.
China is not just terrified of othr regions following suit, it wants to retain hold of the water: “Tibet is the water tower of Asia and rivers originating in Tibet flow into various regions in Asia. The Mekong, the Yellow river, the Yangthze, the Yarlung Tsampo (Brahmaputra), the Indus and the Karnali all originate on the Tibetan plateau and support hundreds of millions of people downstream.” (Futurewater.nl – Circle of Blue also goes into this concept.)
China’s actions in Tibet were not liberation, but a quest for hegemony. Any liberating they did was accidental, and may well have been wiped out by their own oppression – please,Wong Ying Jie, do some research yourself – try Amnesty International for starters.

By: Paddy II

Paddy II — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:24:01 +0000

@ Robin Grant

Have you even read about the atrocities perpetrated against Tibetans in Tibet by the Chinese? About the imprisonment and torture of hundreds of monks, the ethnic cleansing, the ecological desecration? The deliberate import of Han Chinese? The media blackouts? Does that fit with your conception of the Chinese invasion as a “liberation”?

If China’s intentions are noble, why do Chinese (and your own) descriptions of the Dalai Lama’s requests not square with his own accounts of those requests (available at http://www.dalailama.com)? What reason does HHDL have to lie, compared with China’s motivations for lying?

The Dalai Lama does not want “his theocracy” back. He has many times offered his resignation as head of state (in the face of fierce popular resistance) and has had to insist on the secular democratisation of the Tibetan Government in Exile. He has said that the institution of the Dalai Lama may cease with his death, if that is best for Tibetans and the world. Your idea that he wants his theocracy back is a completely absurd and false fabrication.

Please do your research and do the math before you volunteer your ignorant theorisations. You merely make it harder to expose the truth and refute the systematic propaganda of the Chinese Communist Party.

By: Jon Cayzer

Jon Cayzer — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:05:47 +0000

@Wong Ying Jie

Check link:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jTGwEv7h5gGgfTpeW3-zSMzwciXQ

You could personally verify this by popping along to the efficient Chinese consulate in Singapore (I’ve dealt with them before – excellent service) and try to get a tourist visa to Tibet this week! I did not write that there is a two month ban.

Heinous crimes – you could start with the Human Rights Watch:

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2000/06/12/human-rights-violations-tibe

The verdict is open on India’s future – for a scholarly read:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/users/login.php?story_id=95&URL=http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=95

@Robin, yes. But note that I said that Tibet cannot turn the clock back to being a theocracy and nor would it be desirable. The Dalai Lama does not seek a fully-fledged restoration. The Tibetan people merely seek self-determination and demilitarisation.

By: Robi

Robi — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:28:48 +0000

Does Wong Ying Jie really believe that Tibetans are happy with what the Chinese have done in Tibet over the past 50 years?
He writes: ” Please post evidence and write in detail your description of “heinous crimes” committed by China”

Well here’s just one example…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nangpa_La_shootings

And there must be thousands of similar stories.

Wong Ying Jie has picked the wrong audience to lie to. As South Africans who remember the Apartheid era, we know that wherever governments crack down on the independence and freedom of the press then you can be sure that terrible things are happening.

By: Robin Grant

Robin Grant — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:20:15 +0000

rule of thumb dictates that we should follow the money. Tibet is a mineral rich territory that has strategic value for the Chinese.
The Dalai Lama on the other hand wants control of his theocracy back. I know that the world has been painted a noble picture of the Dalai Lama, but the truth is that the Lama class in Tibet suppress their subjects with the best of the dictators. More despicable is that they claim that their right to rule is divinely inspired.

Having spent time with his Monks in India, I can definitely understand the appeal of the religion, but it is worth considering the possibility that Chinese liberated the Tibetans from a theistic tyranny.

By: Wong Ying Jie

Wong Ying Jie — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:48:34 +0000

1. China did not ban visitors to Tibet for September and October (Please get your facts right first before you rant)

2. Please post evidence and write in detail your description of “heinous crimes” committed by China

3. India will overtake China (please elaborate btw India claims she will overtake China in 2000, 2005, 2010 and 2020) Right now we are a few months to 2010.

4. Westerners please study more (i am in Singapore and a singaporean I am not a “brainwashed” person like how people always insult Asian education)