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		<title>By: dimwit</title>
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		<dc:creator>dimwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 09:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused.

&quot;Either way, owing to these approaches of command and control, “independent” Africa has over the last 50 years pawned away much of her economic capital and today we have precious little left. Save for the politicians and the ruling party bigwigs, the rest of us have to be content with the miniscule royalty revenue earned from “our” extractive industries. It is an outrageous state of affairs, really.

As the largest repository of the world’s industrial resources, Africa has a key role to play in averting such a disaster.&quot;

which is it - did they take everything or not?

Anyway the earth&#039;s crust is between 10 and 100km thick and no one, not even the voracious Americans you refer to have, or in fact ever will do more than scratch it&#039;s surface.  Although the Chinese seem to be having a good go right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused.</p>
<p>&#8220;Either way, owing to these approaches of command and control, “independent” Africa has over the last 50 years pawned away much of her economic capital and today we have precious little left. Save for the politicians and the ruling party bigwigs, the rest of us have to be content with the miniscule royalty revenue earned from “our” extractive industries. It is an outrageous state of affairs, really.</p>
<p>As the largest repository of the world’s industrial resources, Africa has a key role to play in averting such a disaster.&#8221;</p>
<p>which is it &#8211; did they take everything or not?</p>
<p>Anyway the earth&#8217;s crust is between 10 and 100km thick and no one, not even the voracious Americans you refer to have, or in fact ever will do more than scratch it&#8217;s surface.  Although the Chinese seem to be having a good go right now.</p>
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		<title>By: imbeba</title>
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		<dc:creator>imbeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why are we blaming the west? Which farmer is stupid enough to sow seeds in unfertile ground? The USA saw an opportunity and it grabbed it...we africans are to blame for what&#039;s happening to us! We vote for leaders we know fully aware are not fit for office - warlords, accused of rape, assassins, psycopaths - and then when things turn out badly (what do u expect) we start whining and pointing fingers at others; when nobody forced us to vote! We chose to live in this misery...the day we decided to kill our brothers and sisters because of their looks, habits, wealth and opinions.
50 years of this...have we learned nothing? Can we really continue to blame the USA...where are all the so called african intellectuals, the african elite?
Africa needs to stop the blame-game, assume its responsibilities and move on. We are so divided, we hate each other for no good reason...so exactly how are we to prosper!? 
We must start pointing the fingers at ourselves. We allowed this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why are we blaming the west? Which farmer is stupid enough to sow seeds in unfertile ground? The USA saw an opportunity and it grabbed it&#8230;we africans are to blame for what&#8217;s happening to us! We vote for leaders we know fully aware are not fit for office &#8211; warlords, accused of rape, assassins, psycopaths &#8211; and then when things turn out badly (what do u expect) we start whining and pointing fingers at others; when nobody forced us to vote! We chose to live in this misery&#8230;the day we decided to kill our brothers and sisters because of their looks, habits, wealth and opinions.<br />
50 years of this&#8230;have we learned nothing? Can we really continue to blame the USA&#8230;where are all the so called african intellectuals, the african elite?<br />
Africa needs to stop the blame-game, assume its responsibilities and move on. We are so divided, we hate each other for no good reason&#8230;so exactly how are we to prosper!?<br />
We must start pointing the fingers at ourselves. We allowed this!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....continued...
By the way Jeremiah, America is not evil incarnate. Remember that many western countries supported the apartheid regime. It was American sanctions and diplomatic pressure on these countries with large vested economic interests in SA, that eventually contributed to apartheid&#039;s collapse. Like WW2, many fault the US for not getting involved earlier, but don&#039;t realize that the outcome would have been much different without US involvement.

Economic imperialism is rapidly coming to an end - evident worldwide, from the guerrilla wars in Central America to the international trade treaties and currency negotiations.  With the internet and other freedoms it really is a new world order compared to the dark days of colonialism. Africa can finally be hopeful of achieving true independence once more by vigilantly guarding against the corruptive influences of economic imperialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.continued&#8230;<br />
By the way Jeremiah, America is not evil incarnate. Remember that many western countries supported the apartheid regime. It was American sanctions and diplomatic pressure on these countries with large vested economic interests in SA, that eventually contributed to apartheid&#8217;s collapse. Like WW2, many fault the US for not getting involved earlier, but don&#8217;t realize that the outcome would have been much different without US involvement.</p>
<p>Economic imperialism is rapidly coming to an end &#8211; evident worldwide, from the guerrilla wars in Central America to the international trade treaties and currency negotiations.  With the internet and other freedoms it really is a new world order compared to the dark days of colonialism. Africa can finally be hopeful of achieving true independence once more by vigilantly guarding against the corruptive influences of economic imperialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...American’s raw actions on the ground frighteningly belie their stated beliefs of democracy, freedom, equality and fraternity.&quot;
Actually, in defense of America, I would state that war is messy. 
As they say, alls fair in love and war and in the heat of battle, atrocities are committed by both sides. But you are quite right in that, the pretext under which the Bush administration went to war in Iraq was criminal. The pursuit of resources under the guise of spreading democracy is similar to the crusades, except that the crusades where honest in their intentions. In fact, large American anti-war protests occurred just before the Iraq invasion. Bush and his neocon cohorts utterly destroyed America&#039;s image internationally and its going to be a long road to re-gain its credibility.

Placing all the blame of Africa&#039;s economic subjugation squarely on America is unfair.
Consider that much of American foreign policy, peddled through the IMF is also dictated by European, British and other ex-colonial powers with huge economic interests in ex-colonies. Obama had the best advice for Africa - put away your begging bowls! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;American’s raw actions on the ground frighteningly belie their stated beliefs of democracy, freedom, equality and fraternity.&#8221;<br />
Actually, in defense of America, I would state that war is messy.<br />
As they say, alls fair in love and war and in the heat of battle, atrocities are committed by both sides. But you are quite right in that, the pretext under which the Bush administration went to war in Iraq was criminal. The pursuit of resources under the guise of spreading democracy is similar to the crusades, except that the crusades where honest in their intentions. In fact, large American anti-war protests occurred just before the Iraq invasion. Bush and his neocon cohorts utterly destroyed America&#8217;s image internationally and its going to be a long road to re-gain its credibility.</p>
<p>Placing all the blame of Africa&#8217;s economic subjugation squarely on America is unfair.<br />
Consider that much of American foreign policy, peddled through the IMF is also dictated by European, British and other ex-colonial powers with huge economic interests in ex-colonies. Obama had the best advice for Africa &#8211; put away your begging bowls!<br />
contd&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bovril24</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bovril24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ghana&#039;s Nkrumah, the first professional politician of a de-colonised African state, set the tone of Africa&#039;s post colonial democratic failure when he uttered the fatuously destructive mantra that poverty in Africa was as a result of the politic strata and that consequently,         &quot; African unity is above all a political kingdom, which can only be gained by political means.&quot;

It in disproving this delusion (well, they have all had the &#039;political kingdom&#039; for decades by now) that all his dictatorial followers have blindly wrecked the economic potential of Africa in favour of tribalist partisanship, vote- catching lies to the ignorant and unread and and the cult of political personality and self enrichment -as opposed to sensible economy building and rule of law competence.  

I have no idea of Jeremiah&#039;s intellectual credentials but I suggest he reads some 20C history, not issued by the ex-Soviet Union. I am not a particular pro-US person but I am passionately anti-ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ghana&#8217;s Nkrumah, the first professional politician of a de-colonised African state, set the tone of Africa&#8217;s post colonial democratic failure when he uttered the fatuously destructive mantra that poverty in Africa was as a result of the politic strata and that consequently,         &#8221; African unity is above all a political kingdom, which can only be gained by political means.&#8221;</p>
<p>It in disproving this delusion (well, they have all had the &#8216;political kingdom&#8217; for decades by now) that all his dictatorial followers have blindly wrecked the economic potential of Africa in favour of tribalist partisanship, vote- catching lies to the ignorant and unread and and the cult of political personality and self enrichment -as opposed to sensible economy building and rule of law competence.  </p>
<p>I have no idea of Jeremiah&#8217;s intellectual credentials but I suggest he reads some 20C history, not issued by the ex-Soviet Union. I am not a particular pro-US person but I am passionately anti-ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: MLH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t believe you. 
In a country where millions vote for leadership they know is not competent and turn the other way when that very leadership is fraudulent, corrupt and criminal, but feel happy to destroy all (though it&#039;s not much) that service has delivered?
People still die in our jails and police stations.
I really don&#039;t think most South Africans are any less hypocritical.
But let us agree that all outside Utopia is not black or white, but rather many shades of grey. We all lust after perfection but I&#039;m not sure anyone gets it. I dread to think how the average South African might behave during a full-scale onslaught either as protector or, as victim.

The Germans were not alone in using mustard gas and flame throwers during 2 world wars. It&#039;s called giving as good as you get. Most people on both sides of those wars would have preferred to stay at peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t believe you.<br />
In a country where millions vote for leadership they know is not competent and turn the other way when that very leadership is fraudulent, corrupt and criminal, but feel happy to destroy all (though it&#8217;s not much) that service has delivered?<br />
People still die in our jails and police stations.<br />
I really don&#8217;t think most South Africans are any less hypocritical.<br />
But let us agree that all outside Utopia is not black or white, but rather many shades of grey. We all lust after perfection but I&#8217;m not sure anyone gets it. I dread to think how the average South African might behave during a full-scale onslaught either as protector or, as victim.</p>
<p>The Germans were not alone in using mustard gas and flame throwers during 2 world wars. It&#8217;s called giving as good as you get. Most people on both sides of those wars would have preferred to stay at peace.</p>
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		<title>By: tottie</title>
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		<dc:creator>tottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A party politicised mind is tantamount to a poisoned mind. When one ventures out of a political box, which is difficult, he gives himself a chance to take a clear view of real societal issues. 

Man is dominant by nature. He is the only animal that wages wars, devises party politics, economic systems, maims, kills, cheats, holds elections, passes laws to constrain his own species, etc. 

These are all forms of male domination, that no other animal uses against its own species. Where language fails, man uses force to consolidate dominion, be it in the form of tribal wars, colonial wars, world wars, the church, liberation wars, etc. 

Nation-states themselves are political creations that reflect the interests of those involved in their creations. Otherwise there is one human</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A party politicised mind is tantamount to a poisoned mind. When one ventures out of a political box, which is difficult, he gives himself a chance to take a clear view of real societal issues. </p>
<p>Man is dominant by nature. He is the only animal that wages wars, devises party politics, economic systems, maims, kills, cheats, holds elections, passes laws to constrain his own species, etc. </p>
<p>These are all forms of male domination, that no other animal uses against its own species. Where language fails, man uses force to consolidate dominion, be it in the form of tribal wars, colonial wars, world wars, the church, liberation wars, etc. </p>
<p>Nation-states themselves are political creations that reflect the interests of those involved in their creations. Otherwise there is one human</p>
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		<title>By: haiwa tigere</title>
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		<dc:creator>haiwa tigere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jeremiah , A man called Mad Bob Mugabe from a country very close to you has been saying this all along.But we know he is mad.

@ B steyn 3000 americans died on that day but payback is payback. 100000 iraqis died  for this alqaeda taliban adventurism.(whats Iraq got to do with it?) Oh another 100000 died in Pakistan and  afghanistan. I guess those Iraqis  pakistanis and afghans would want to take revenge at some point. At that 30:1 ratio of revenge tehy need to kill a illion americans to make it even</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jeremiah , A man called Mad Bob Mugabe from a country very close to you has been saying this all along.But we know he is mad.</p>
<p>@ B steyn 3000 americans died on that day but payback is payback. 100000 iraqis died  for this alqaeda taliban adventurism.(whats Iraq got to do with it?) Oh another 100000 died in Pakistan and  afghanistan. I guess those Iraqis  pakistanis and afghans would want to take revenge at some point. At that 30:1 ratio of revenge tehy need to kill a illion americans to make it even</p>
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		<title>By: X Cepting</title>
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		<dc:creator>X Cepting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are saying about resource exploitation is true, but then, I have often before said that war is all about acquiring land and the resources on them and that war is not about guns any more but about markets.  Therefore, to win the war Africa need to change its collective mind about the kind of weapons it use against agressors.  The fact that no burglar is ever interested in my technical books is very telling about the prevailing attitude.  

Where I am starting to differ from you is that I fail to see the logic in this statement:

&quot;demand a model of progress based on cooperation as opposed to competition&quot;

You are still fighting for scraps from the table when you could be eating your own food from your own table and all it will earn you is the scorn of the one&#039;s controlling the table.  No-one likes cry-babies.

I wish Africa would wake up, stop whingeying at the &quot;gross injustices&quot; of &quot;the West&quot; and start doing some development of its own.  Africa is sitting with the lion-share of world resources and a vast pool of human capital that it is not using!  No-one gave the West a hand up, why should they help Africa?  To exploit Africa, they have to make deals with African leaders.  There is your real hipocracy, the people you should get angry with: leaders that claim to be for the people whilst selling of your birthright to the West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are saying about resource exploitation is true, but then, I have often before said that war is all about acquiring land and the resources on them and that war is not about guns any more but about markets.  Therefore, to win the war Africa need to change its collective mind about the kind of weapons it use against agressors.  The fact that no burglar is ever interested in my technical books is very telling about the prevailing attitude.  </p>
<p>Where I am starting to differ from you is that I fail to see the logic in this statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;demand a model of progress based on cooperation as opposed to competition&#8221;</p>
<p>You are still fighting for scraps from the table when you could be eating your own food from your own table and all it will earn you is the scorn of the one&#8217;s controlling the table.  No-one likes cry-babies.</p>
<p>I wish Africa would wake up, stop whingeying at the &#8220;gross injustices&#8221; of &#8220;the West&#8221; and start doing some development of its own.  Africa is sitting with the lion-share of world resources and a vast pool of human capital that it is not using!  No-one gave the West a hand up, why should they help Africa?  To exploit Africa, they have to make deals with African leaders.  There is your real hipocracy, the people you should get angry with: leaders that claim to be for the people whilst selling of your birthright to the West.</p>
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		<title>By: tottie</title>
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		<dc:creator>tottie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hypocricy is an homage that vice renders virtue&quot; - La Rocheforecauld. The advent of party representation began political hypocrisy. People lose their political voice when they &quot;elected&quot; political parties to represent them. Political hypocricy wins election, only for popular uprising to topple it. 

The advantage of established democracies is that people&#039;s conscience is not locked up in party political prisons. They vote according to their interests, not those of a party - which represents interests of the most powerful with a party.

Ours is the most hypocritical democracy. A party wins elections by using an organising muscle of a trade union. The unions use employee&#039;s time and money to campaign for a political party. The employees&#039; themselves may not necessarily support the party, or even politics. But when they lose their job they have to join the poor, the majority. 

In other words, the poor support their own poverty.

The hypocricy is that union leaders, and &quot;political analysts&quot; have from-time-to-time, to arrogate the right to represent the interests of the poor against their own party, on one hand, while claiming high wages, on the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hypocricy is an homage that vice renders virtue&#8221; &#8211; La Rocheforecauld. The advent of party representation began political hypocrisy. People lose their political voice when they &#8220;elected&#8221; political parties to represent them. Political hypocricy wins election, only for popular uprising to topple it. </p>
<p>The advantage of established democracies is that people&#8217;s conscience is not locked up in party political prisons. They vote according to their interests, not those of a party &#8211; which represents interests of the most powerful with a party.</p>
<p>Ours is the most hypocritical democracy. A party wins elections by using an organising muscle of a trade union. The unions use employee&#8217;s time and money to campaign for a political party. The employees&#8217; themselves may not necessarily support the party, or even politics. But when they lose their job they have to join the poor, the majority. </p>
<p>In other words, the poor support their own poverty.</p>
<p>The hypocricy is that union leaders, and &#8220;political analysts&#8221; have from-time-to-time, to arrogate the right to represent the interests of the poor against their own party, on one hand, while claiming high wages, on the other.</p>
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