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		<title>By: D Mudiwa</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/jeremiahkure/2009/10/23/blood-milk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-98712</link>
		<dc:creator>D Mudiwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And meanwhile everyone wants us Zimbabweans to believe that there are no &quot;economic&quot; sanctions on Zimbabwe!

I also think that the Mugabes must be one of a kind. How does one explain that all 400,000+ people who have had farms &quot;expropirated&quot; to them are all &quot;Mugabe&#039;s cronies&quot;!?

Whilst still at it, one contributor above comaplains that most of the farms taken over have gone back to being bush, and the rest still don&#039;t want anything to do with a productive farm, simply because it&#039;s the Mugabes who&#039;re are now using the farms!

As for the chap who claims to speak on behalf of the masses of Zimbabwe, you just make me sick, because you certainly do not speak for anyone, other than yourself. I am Zimbabwean and I support anyone who runs a productive venture, even if only prove that blacs are just as good farmers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And meanwhile everyone wants us Zimbabweans to believe that there are no &#8220;economic&#8221; sanctions on Zimbabwe!</p>
<p>I also think that the Mugabes must be one of a kind. How does one explain that all 400,000+ people who have had farms &#8220;expropirated&#8221; to them are all &#8220;Mugabe&#8217;s cronies&#8221;!?</p>
<p>Whilst still at it, one contributor above comaplains that most of the farms taken over have gone back to being bush, and the rest still don&#8217;t want anything to do with a productive farm, simply because it&#8217;s the Mugabes who&#8217;re are now using the farms!</p>
<p>As for the chap who claims to speak on behalf of the masses of Zimbabwe, you just make me sick, because you certainly do not speak for anyone, other than yourself. I am Zimbabwean and I support anyone who runs a productive venture, even if only prove that blacs are just as good farmers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/jeremiahkure/2009/10/23/blood-milk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-98668</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I bet you didnt know that Zimbabwe makes ammunition for the Americans to use in Irak. Now that is totally f*u*c*k*e*d up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I bet you didnt know that Zimbabwe makes ammunition for the Americans to use in Irak. Now that is totally f*u*c*k*e*d up</p>
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		<title>By: DeltaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeltaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all these people who advocate for a boycott of Grece&#039;s milk really care about the ordinary Zimbos, perhaps they should be concerned about the likely retrenchments due to scaled down production at Nestle. I mean, Grace wouldn&#039;t feel a pinch because she will just move on to something more obscure, like the Marange Diamonds, for example.
Worse still, she might just go for a total grab of the company (Nestle).
For me, perhaps a better option would be to advocate for reperations tax from the proceeds of the sale of her milk. The proceeds i suppose could be used to compensate those who feel displaced by the land grabs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all these people who advocate for a boycott of Grece&#8217;s milk really care about the ordinary Zimbos, perhaps they should be concerned about the likely retrenchments due to scaled down production at Nestle. I mean, Grace wouldn&#8217;t feel a pinch because she will just move on to something more obscure, like the Marange Diamonds, for example.<br />
Worse still, she might just go for a total grab of the company (Nestle).<br />
For me, perhaps a better option would be to advocate for reperations tax from the proceeds of the sale of her milk. The proceeds i suppose could be used to compensate those who feel displaced by the land grabs</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it is rather easy to make commets to justify one stance or the other when one is not directly involved at a grass roots level. Suffice to say that Zimbabwean (poor) that I speak to are elated that the dictator&#039;s wife cannot sell her milk from the stolen cows in her posession</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it is rather easy to make commets to justify one stance or the other when one is not directly involved at a grass roots level. Suffice to say that Zimbabwean (poor) that I speak to are elated that the dictator&#8217;s wife cannot sell her milk from the stolen cows in her posession</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely when describing Grace Mugabe you should not be referring to &quot;her&quot; farm but rather to &quot;her expropriated&quot; farm that has not been released to the suffering masses of Zimbabwe yet... nor is ever likely to be unless there is a new wave of liberation... As for economic recovery forget it. The last time the Changamire State [aka Zimbabwe]&#039;repossessed&#039;the farms of white settlers was back in 1650 after the Battle of Christmas Day drove out the Portuguese settlers and resulted in the breakup of the &#039;brazos&quot; farms, after which dairy farming dropped right off the agenda for a few centuries. 
The overwhelming bulk of &#039;repossessed&#039; farms expropriated during the past decade have returned to bush and it is moot that they will ever emerge again given current global trends, and the unwillingness of the Zim ruling class, GNU or otherwise, to get their hands dirty with real earth rather than fake currencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely when describing Grace Mugabe you should not be referring to &#8220;her&#8221; farm but rather to &#8220;her expropriated&#8221; farm that has not been released to the suffering masses of Zimbabwe yet&#8230; nor is ever likely to be unless there is a new wave of liberation&#8230; As for economic recovery forget it. The last time the Changamire State [aka Zimbabwe]&#8216;repossessed&#8217;the farms of white settlers was back in 1650 after the Battle of Christmas Day drove out the Portuguese settlers and resulted in the breakup of the &#8216;brazos&#8221; farms, after which dairy farming dropped right off the agenda for a few centuries.<br />
The overwhelming bulk of &#8216;repossessed&#8217; farms expropriated during the past decade have returned to bush and it is moot that they will ever emerge again given current global trends, and the unwillingness of the Zim ruling class, GNU or otherwise, to get their hands dirty with real earth rather than fake currencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A boycott is not a means of historical redress but to stop ongoing oppression and violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A boycott is not a means of historical redress but to stop ongoing oppression and violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kure, (in the Zimbabwean Shona language &quot;Kure&quot; means &quot;far away&quot;!) I find your reasoning rather far fetched. 

Slurping up your &quot;....copious amounts of Grace’s so-called blood milk with my favourite brand of American Kellogs every morning....&quot;, whilst wearing your fake Nike trainers from Taiwan and your genuine Rolex is a matter of personal choice. 

For their stance to listen to the voices of reason, Nestlé Zimbabwe are on the brink of loosing their investment in the name of &quot;Black Economic Empowerment&quot;. It is for that reason that I will be enjoying Nestlé products once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kure, (in the Zimbabwean Shona language &#8220;Kure&#8221; means &#8220;far away&#8221;!) I find your reasoning rather far fetched. </p>
<p>Slurping up your &#8220;&#8230;.copious amounts of Grace’s so-called blood milk with my favourite brand of American Kellogs every morning&#8230;.&#8221;, whilst wearing your fake Nike trainers from Taiwan and your genuine Rolex is a matter of personal choice. </p>
<p>For their stance to listen to the voices of reason, Nestlé Zimbabwe are on the brink of loosing their investment in the name of &#8220;Black Economic Empowerment&#8221;. It is for that reason that I will be enjoying Nestlé products once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeremiah
The points you make are valid. There has been a lot of abusive behaviour throughout the world.Natives and children the world over have suffered at the hands of greedy capitalists and racist governments.But lets focus on Sa and Zimbabwe.Should we allow abusive capitalists, dictators and the like to run rough shod over the people?

If we support all the evil commercial ventures you speak of, won&#039;t we perish as a Nation?We would become an uncaring, corrupt, exploited sick Nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeremiah<br />
The points you make are valid. There has been a lot of abusive behaviour throughout the world.Natives and children the world over have suffered at the hands of greedy capitalists and racist governments.But lets focus on Sa and Zimbabwe.Should we allow abusive capitalists, dictators and the like to run rough shod over the people?</p>
<p>If we support all the evil commercial ventures you speak of, won&#8217;t we perish as a Nation?We would become an uncaring, corrupt, exploited sick Nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Kure</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/jeremiahkure/2009/10/23/blood-milk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-98479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Kure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dopey, excuse me but what on earth have you been smoking?

Your assertion that “no indians are killed to make way for farming in the Amazon! “ can not go unchallenged.  If anything it betrays quite a disturbing level of ignorance on your part.  

Tell your ludicrous story to the Enawenê Nawê and the Guaraní tribes in remote Brazil.  Tell it especially to the Akuntsu indians, whose tribe now numbers only five members due to the effects of a sustained campaign of deforestation over many generations. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/decline-of-a-tribe-and-then-there-were-five-1801795.html)

When the Peruvian government decided in June this year to enforce laws aimed at facilitating the opening up of vast tracts of the rain forest to oil drilling, logging and hydroelectric dams, well over 25 indigenous Indians died in the ensuing protest clashes (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/world/americas/06peru.html).  What, you want to see pictures Dopey?  http://www.democracyctr.org/blog/2009/06/bolivia-and-peru-in-war-of-words-over.html

Finally, if you are going to romanticise the idea of Indians brandishing arrows (its arrows in most instances, not guns as you put it) to defend their lives against outsiders, you need to have your head examined.  For one, ask yourself this question, how did the Indians end up in the reserves anyway? Voluntarily?  I don’t think so.  Turn on the lights Dopey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dopey, excuse me but what on earth have you been smoking?</p>
<p>Your assertion that “no indians are killed to make way for farming in the Amazon! “ can not go unchallenged.  If anything it betrays quite a disturbing level of ignorance on your part.  </p>
<p>Tell your ludicrous story to the Enawenê Nawê and the Guaraní tribes in remote Brazil.  Tell it especially to the Akuntsu indians, whose tribe now numbers only five members due to the effects of a sustained campaign of deforestation over many generations. (<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/decline-of-a-tribe-and-then-there-were-five-1801795.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/decline-of-a-tribe-and-then-there-were-five-1801795.html</a>)</p>
<p>When the Peruvian government decided in June this year to enforce laws aimed at facilitating the opening up of vast tracts of the rain forest to oil drilling, logging and hydroelectric dams, well over 25 indigenous Indians died in the ensuing protest clashes (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/world/americas/06peru.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/world/americas/06peru.html</a>).  What, you want to see pictures Dopey?  <a href="http://www.democracyctr.org/blog/2009/06/bolivia-and-peru-in-war-of-words-over.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracyctr.org/blog/2009/06/bolivia-and-peru-in-war-of-words-over.html</a></p>
<p>Finally, if you are going to romanticise the idea of Indians brandishing arrows (its arrows in most instances, not guns as you put it) to defend their lives against outsiders, you need to have your head examined.  For one, ask yourself this question, how did the Indians end up in the reserves anyway? Voluntarily?  I don’t think so.  Turn on the lights Dopey!</p>
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		<title>By: Grant W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 04:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah - In some ways I agree that there is a hypocrisy regarding the boycott of Grace Mugabe&#039;s milk. There are many products that we use that do not follow an ethical path to our door.

I do not, however, see any substance to your argument to boycott US or Australian products based on the history of their country. You are effectively punishing a generation that lives now for what their ancestors did in a different time when different rules applied. The correct analogy would be for me not to buy Grace Mugabe&#039;s milk because because of the Nguni expansion and expulsion of the Khoisan 2000 years ago. What on earth can Grace Mugabe do about that now? Nothing at all. Your reasoning is illogical and your conclusions unfair.

I would, however, say that to boycott US products for their current incursion into Iraq is a fair option and sends a message to the generation currently engaged in the activity. In that case a boycott makes perfect sense. 

Bob Mugabe violently displaced white farmers and took farms, &#039;for the people of Zimbabwe&#039; and instead them to his wife and cronies. Grace is making personal money out of them and the people have seen nothing. That disgusts me and should have disgusted Nestle. I therefore choose to boycott their products. No BarOne for me until a population free of intimidation and violence chooses their own leader for Zimbabwe. Then Nestle will be forgiven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah &#8211; In some ways I agree that there is a hypocrisy regarding the boycott of Grace Mugabe&#8217;s milk. There are many products that we use that do not follow an ethical path to our door.</p>
<p>I do not, however, see any substance to your argument to boycott US or Australian products based on the history of their country. You are effectively punishing a generation that lives now for what their ancestors did in a different time when different rules applied. The correct analogy would be for me not to buy Grace Mugabe&#8217;s milk because because of the Nguni expansion and expulsion of the Khoisan 2000 years ago. What on earth can Grace Mugabe do about that now? Nothing at all. Your reasoning is illogical and your conclusions unfair.</p>
<p>I would, however, say that to boycott US products for their current incursion into Iraq is a fair option and sends a message to the generation currently engaged in the activity. In that case a boycott makes perfect sense. </p>
<p>Bob Mugabe violently displaced white farmers and took farms, &#8216;for the people of Zimbabwe&#8217; and instead them to his wife and cronies. Grace is making personal money out of them and the people have seen nothing. That disgusts me and should have disgusted Nestle. I therefore choose to boycott their products. No BarOne for me until a population free of intimidation and violence chooses their own leader for Zimbabwe. Then Nestle will be forgiven.</p>
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