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		<title>By: Dave Tu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Tu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rory Short

Well put. I would add:

4. Leaders should be people of character, trustworthy. If a leader is prepared to betray the trust of the people closest to him, for his own pleasure, then won&#039;t he also betray the country, for his own interests?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rory Short</p>
<p>Well put. I would add:</p>
<p>4. Leaders should be people of character, trustworthy. If a leader is prepared to betray the trust of the people closest to him, for his own pleasure, then won&#8217;t he also betray the country, for his own interests?</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Short</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory Short</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good blog Janice. 

People have different propensities. JZ seems to have a strong propensity for having unprotected sex and sadly this is not restricted to his wives. To my mind there are three problems associated with this situation. 

1. The HIV/AIDS pandemic in SA. 

Given this pandemic and the fact that the early stages of HIV infection are not discernible it is irresponsible to have unprotected sex with anybody, even with your wives or husbands, unless you have mutually agreed that both of you want the encounter to open up the possibility of a pregnancy.

2. There are already an unsustainable number of people alive on the planet. Reproductively we need to restrict ourselves to only replacing ourselves.  

3. For proper development as a human being an infant human needs the maximum possible input from both its parents. More than two children per family means a reduced amount of parental air time per child. JZ has fathered at least 20 children.

JZ fails on all of the above counts. These are all very important things in the current South Africa. We need a President who does not fail at them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good blog Janice. </p>
<p>People have different propensities. JZ seems to have a strong propensity for having unprotected sex and sadly this is not restricted to his wives. To my mind there are three problems associated with this situation. </p>
<p>1. The HIV/AIDS pandemic in SA. </p>
<p>Given this pandemic and the fact that the early stages of HIV infection are not discernible it is irresponsible to have unprotected sex with anybody, even with your wives or husbands, unless you have mutually agreed that both of you want the encounter to open up the possibility of a pregnancy.</p>
<p>2. There are already an unsustainable number of people alive on the planet. Reproductively we need to restrict ourselves to only replacing ourselves.  </p>
<p>3. For proper development as a human being an infant human needs the maximum possible input from both its parents. More than two children per family means a reduced amount of parental air time per child. JZ has fathered at least 20 children.</p>
<p>JZ fails on all of the above counts. These are all very important things in the current South Africa. We need a President who does not fail at them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Larry Goodfella
&quot;My liitle boy blue, you are the only one here hung up on race&quot;
Still can&#039;t help calling people &quot;boys&quot; can you? 
btw. You still haven&#039;t answered why you think I&#039;m black, or why it matters in our discussions, have you?
After centuries of white supremacy, don&#039;t you think SAns are still pretty much HUNG UP ON RACE and will be for the next few generations?

Most of my friends overseas simply shake their heads in amazed and appalled when I pass on some of the racist gems pervasive on these blogs from our previously advantaged SAns. What have we become as a society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Larry Goodfella<br />
&#8220;My liitle boy blue, you are the only one here hung up on race&#8221;<br />
Still can&#8217;t help calling people &#8220;boys&#8221; can you?<br />
btw. You still haven&#8217;t answered why you think I&#8217;m black, or why it matters in our discussions, have you?<br />
After centuries of white supremacy, don&#8217;t you think SAns are still pretty much HUNG UP ON RACE and will be for the next few generations?</p>
<p>Most of my friends overseas simply shake their heads in amazed and appalled when I pass on some of the racist gems pervasive on these blogs from our previously advantaged SAns. What have we become as a society?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Harris, do you live on another planet because you sure don&#039;t live on the one I am on.

Your thoughts are incredibly bizzare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Harris, do you live on another planet because you sure don&#8217;t live on the one I am on.</p>
<p>Your thoughts are incredibly bizzare.</p>
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		<title>By: Panchetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panchetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously Dave Harris,

Are you paid to comment in these blogs on behalf of the ANC. How else can we explain the utter bereftness and daftness of your inane blather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously Dave Harris,</p>
<p>Are you paid to comment in these blogs on behalf of the ANC. How else can we explain the utter bereftness and daftness of your inane blather.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Goodfella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Goodfella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Harris, dont be blue.

Firstly, even Zuma acknowledged that he was aware that the woman who accused him of rape, who he admitted to sleeping with without a condom for protection, was HIV positive. In this particular instance, he placed himself and his wives at risk of also being infected with a deadly sexually transmitted disease. This is NOT a wierd assumption. You must agree. OK, so that one is out of the way.

Secondly, any person can be HIV positive and not have any outward symptoms. Having unprotected sex outside of marriage, is risky business, and once again Zuma places himself and his wives at risk of contracting a sexually transmitted deadly disease. You say NO, why?

Pink, black brown or blue, like you. Jeez, like lecturing a twelve year old. Ho hum. 

My liitle boy blue, you are the only one here hung up on race and assuming what others think to suit your inability to reason on non-racial lines of argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Harris, dont be blue.</p>
<p>Firstly, even Zuma acknowledged that he was aware that the woman who accused him of rape, who he admitted to sleeping with without a condom for protection, was HIV positive. In this particular instance, he placed himself and his wives at risk of also being infected with a deadly sexually transmitted disease. This is NOT a wierd assumption. You must agree. OK, so that one is out of the way.</p>
<p>Secondly, any person can be HIV positive and not have any outward symptoms. Having unprotected sex outside of marriage, is risky business, and once again Zuma places himself and his wives at risk of contracting a sexually transmitted deadly disease. You say NO, why?</p>
<p>Pink, black brown or blue, like you. Jeez, like lecturing a twelve year old. Ho hum. </p>
<p>My liitle boy blue, you are the only one here hung up on race and assuming what others think to suit your inability to reason on non-racial lines of argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Tu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Tu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave Harris

The decency you to which you refer, you possess more than a modicum I take it? You talk about allegations that are uncorroborated -- so this &quot;inherent racism in the DA&quot;, did you just forget to cite your references?

When you distil it down, your argument seems somewhat lacking.

The issue is not journalists and the media. The issue is, did the president do something wrong? People, especially leaders, should be held accountable for their actions.

Governments are formed by the people and for the people. Public servants and all that. So why is it political parties seem to put the good of the party before the good of the nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave Harris</p>
<p>The decency you to which you refer, you possess more than a modicum I take it? You talk about allegations that are uncorroborated &#8212; so this &#8220;inherent racism in the DA&#8221;, did you just forget to cite your references?</p>
<p>When you distil it down, your argument seems somewhat lacking.</p>
<p>The issue is not journalists and the media. The issue is, did the president do something wrong? People, especially leaders, should be held accountable for their actions.</p>
<p>Governments are formed by the people and for the people. Public servants and all that. So why is it political parties seem to put the good of the party before the good of the nation?</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo, an outsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo, an outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic article! Some always need someone to blame for their miseries. Mr Zuma and his friend&#039;s nationalism is like all, if you do not want to be part of it you are not valid, you are an outsider, you are inferior. These tribalisms do not want to accept that, in the same way that I should try to understand, even respect, their ideas or acts, I have, or should have, the right to criticize them. Is Democracy so complicated? It is difficult but not complicated.
“Africans should refrain from criticism” is an outstanding comment. Some French, when my country was ruled by a General, used to say that Africa began at the Pyrenees… exactly the same idea. I do think that an African is not less, or more, than anyone else. According to Mr Malema, and some French, I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic article! Some always need someone to blame for their miseries. Mr Zuma and his friend&#8217;s nationalism is like all, if you do not want to be part of it you are not valid, you are an outsider, you are inferior. These tribalisms do not want to accept that, in the same way that I should try to understand, even respect, their ideas or acts, I have, or should have, the right to criticize them. Is Democracy so complicated? It is difficult but not complicated.<br />
“Africans should refrain from criticism” is an outstanding comment. Some French, when my country was ruled by a General, used to say that Africa began at the Pyrenees… exactly the same idea. I do think that an African is not less, or more, than anyone else. According to Mr Malema, and some French, I am wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Larry Goodfella
&quot;My black brudda&quot;
I wonder why my race is so important for you to know? Are you so brainwashed? 
btw. I&#039;m actually blue, like the Navi in the movie Avatar, or blue like the Hindu deity Krishna...take your pick..LOL

&quot;Dont you also agree, Dave Harris, that Zuma is placing his wives at risk of contracting HIV by his behavior?&quot;
I wonder why you make these weird assumptions that the women President Zuma has sex with are automatically likely to be HIV positive. You have a pretty warped view of black women don&#039;t you?  Similarly, your negative stereotyping of black men is disgusting as well - why would black men indulge in risky sexual escapades and put their lives and the lives of their loved ones at risk? Do you think that black men are less human and don&#039;t care about people they love?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Larry Goodfella<br />
&#8220;My black brudda&#8221;<br />
I wonder why my race is so important for you to know? Are you so brainwashed?<br />
btw. I&#8217;m actually blue, like the Navi in the movie Avatar, or blue like the Hindu deity Krishna&#8230;take your pick..LOL</p>
<p>&#8220;Dont you also agree, Dave Harris, that Zuma is placing his wives at risk of contracting HIV by his behavior?&#8221;<br />
I wonder why you make these weird assumptions that the women President Zuma has sex with are automatically likely to be HIV positive. You have a pretty warped view of black women don&#8217;t you?  Similarly, your negative stereotyping of black men is disgusting as well &#8211; why would black men indulge in risky sexual escapades and put their lives and the lives of their loved ones at risk? Do you think that black men are less human and don&#8217;t care about people they love?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Goodfella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Goodfella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave Harris

My black brudda, it is the 4th of February and everything that the media has said of Zuma has been corroberated.

And Zille did not throw any insult at the ANC and Zuma prior to the last elections. She stated an inalienable truth, that &quot;Zuma places his wives at risk of contracting HIV by his behaviour.&quot;

She should say it again, and this time there will be a clear majority who agree with her. Dont you also agree, Dave Harris, that Zuma is placing his wives at risk of contracting HIV by his behavior?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave Harris</p>
<p>My black brudda, it is the 4th of February and everything that the media has said of Zuma has been corroberated.</p>
<p>And Zille did not throw any insult at the ANC and Zuma prior to the last elections. She stated an inalienable truth, that &#8220;Zuma places his wives at risk of contracting HIV by his behaviour.&#8221;</p>
<p>She should say it again, and this time there will be a clear majority who agree with her. Dont you also agree, Dave Harris, that Zuma is placing his wives at risk of contracting HIV by his behavior?</p>
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