Comments on: Helen Suzman had it good; let’s remember others who did not have it as good

By: Winnie Mandela startled whites (again). As well she should. : Ismail Lagardien Online

Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:31:55 +0000

[...] The views I expressed in this short post are consistent with the ones I stated on Thought Leader after the death of Helen Suzman more than a year ago, in which I said that Ms Suzman had it good. They are, also, consistent with [...]

By: l’engagé › Winnie Mandela startled whites (again). As well she should.

l’engagé › Winnie Mandela startled whites (again). As well she should. — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:51:03 +0000

By: Phillipa Lipinsky

Phillipa Lipinsky — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:27:54 +0000

Ismail, you are a compassionate intellectual with integrity. Do not expect your insights to be received with the respect they command on this site because many commentators are racist-denialist-fools.
You are a true gem and I thank God we have people like you to fly the South African flag abroad and inform the West about the truth.

By: jeremy feldman

jeremy feldman — Sat, 16 May 2009 16:07:24 +0000

You mention Eleanor Kasrils I googled her and this is what came up

Eleanor Kasrils pardoned

JOHANNESBURG — Eleanor Kasrils, the wife of Water Affairs and Forestry Minister Ronnie Kasrils, was granted amnesty by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) yesterday for her involvement in the Durban Central Post Office bombing in 1962.

Mrs Kasrils was also pardoned for bombing the Durban security police offices, stealing dynamite, escaping from police custody at Pietermaritzburg’s Fort Napier Hospital, (illegally) crossing the Botswana border and destroying electricity pylons near Pinetown between 1962 and 1963, said TRC spokesman Phila Ngqumba.

IN which wounding eight people wounded, three of them children.
I dont have to google Winnie to know that she used violence.
My problem with you is your whole article basically states if you fight for something you believe in from within the law and don`t use violence or destructive force what you are doing is worthless.
I don`t like what you are saying so should I use Eleanor Kasrils solution

By: anton kleinschmidt

anton kleinschmidt — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:15:05 +0000

@ Jean… a nit pick, but I think that you meant affronted. Check effrontery.

Your analogy is an apt only in so far as it ignores the relatively minor contribution that the Resistance made to the liberation of France and Europe. Not sure that struggle heros and their praise singers would consider their role as minor.

I do not understand why you would choose to equate Suzman supporters with Vichy. Whether you like it or not there was a difference between the Progs / DP and the Nats during apartheid. I suspect that anti white racists would prefer to ignore this reality as it undermines their exclusive claim to victimhood

@ A Luta

Are you suggesting that if I were black I would not want … “the protection of civil liberties and an to crime etc” whatever the latter means.

By: Paul Whelan

Paul Whelan — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:17:56 +0000

Jean Racine

If that is a ‘simple question’, it is a relief you did not ask a hard one.

By: A Luta

A Luta — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:23:38 +0000

Thank you for the interesting piece, it affirms what I have always believed about some white liberals: They seemed to be saying ‘I don’t support appartheid but…’

Obviously the perpetuation of the apartheid system served their interests but now that we have freedom the have shed their skins and make as if all they want are the protection of civil liberties and an to crime etc. fooling us into thinking that clour has no bearing in their political outlook.

By: Jean Racine

Jean Racine — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:52:25 +0000

To all those effronted by Largadien’s views, I pose this simple question: should liberated France have bestowed equal honours to both the Resistance and the “Opposition” in the Vichy parliament?

By: anton kleinschmidt

anton kleinschmidt — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:33:52 +0000

@ Mbuzeni…you say….”Her opinion were in opposite direction with the ones I had during apartheid”.

Does this mean that you supported apartheid.

By the way my earlier post should have read the “anti HS” brigade….a freudian slip perhaps

By: anton kleinschmidt

anton kleinschmidt — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:28:16 +0000

What strikes me about the anti HZ brigade is just how mean spirited their view of the world really is. They have been unable to leverage political and economic freedom to their personal advantage and seek someone to blame for this failure.

In contrast to these carping comments you might care to read what Stanley Uys has to say at

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page72308?oid=113707&sn=Marketingweb%20detail