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		<title>By: Ismail Lagardien</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/ismaillagardien/2008/08/04/i-am-not-patriotic-forgedaboudit/comment-page-2/#comment-53647</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismail Lagardien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xolani

you are wasting your time... like many people, i too have decided that lyndall beddy is not worth any effort. besides the fact that her commentaries, invectives, statements and claims are almost always devoid of any factual or logical basis - she simply cannot accept that anyone might have an idea, or actual knowledge that might be important, reliable or of any substance. almost none of her factual comments are reliable or verifiable, and her comments on africans are, to say the least, deeply offensive.

perhaps, xolani, you too will now learn to simply ignore her (as most others do). if it were not so impolite i would call her a useless idiot and a self-righteous twit who believes her own knowledge to be superior - but for the sake of good behaviour i will say this: i now understand why so many people whom i respect, intellectually, politically and personally, ignore the drivel she dishes up as intelligent discourse.

i am basing these criticism on what she writes - not on her personally. i don&#039;t know her personally, and don&#039;t particularly care. in fact, i don&#039;t read her commentaries, nor do i read those of the retinue of sycophants who come out in defence of her asininities. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xolani</p>
<p>you are wasting your time&#8230; like many people, i too have decided that lyndall beddy is not worth any effort. besides the fact that her commentaries, invectives, statements and claims are almost always devoid of any factual or logical basis &#8211; she simply cannot accept that anyone might have an idea, or actual knowledge that might be important, reliable or of any substance. almost none of her factual comments are reliable or verifiable, and her comments on africans are, to say the least, deeply offensive.</p>
<p>perhaps, xolani, you too will now learn to simply ignore her (as most others do). if it were not so impolite i would call her a useless idiot and a self-righteous twit who believes her own knowledge to be superior &#8211; but for the sake of good behaviour i will say this: i now understand why so many people whom i respect, intellectually, politically and personally, ignore the drivel she dishes up as intelligent discourse.</p>
<p>i am basing these criticism on what she writes &#8211; not on her personally. i don&#8217;t know her personally, and don&#8217;t particularly care. in fact, i don&#8217;t read her commentaries, nor do i read those of the retinue of sycophants who come out in defence of her asininities. </p>
<p>ismail</p>
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		<title>By: Xolani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xolani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Lyndall:
Sowuyangifundekela ke manje Lyndall! As you correctly put it “There is no ONE African Culture!” as true as that may be.
Africans have similarities and differences of which link them to a particular way of living. As Africans in respective regions have inherent similarities and differences which they live and accustomed to. That is in essence what African culture is all about.
Leave me alone, OH! leave me alone Lyndall! You just want to believe whatever suits you. But African culture does exist my darling dearest. You should be more observant, hoe”r Lindie. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Lyndall:<br />
Sowuyangifundekela ke manje Lyndall! As you correctly put it “There is no ONE African Culture!” as true as that may be.<br />
Africans have similarities and differences of which link them to a particular way of living. As Africans in respective regions have inherent similarities and differences which they live and accustomed to. That is in essence what African culture is all about.<br />
Leave me alone, OH! leave me alone Lyndall! You just want to believe whatever suits you. But African culture does exist my darling dearest. You should be more observant, hoe”r Lindie. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/ismaillagardien/2008/08/04/i-am-not-patriotic-forgedaboudit/comment-page-2/#comment-52401</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xolani

If &quot;African Culture&quot; exists - how come you can&#039;t define it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xolani</p>
<p>If &#8220;African Culture&#8221; exists &#8211; how come you can&#8217;t define it?</p>
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		<title>By: Xolani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xolani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall:

I am not an old tape recorder- I won’t keep on rewinding and repeating my explanations.

This conversation is now binary- more than anything else- it is high time that we said farewell to each other.

So long lindie! 

You clearly believe that there is no such thing as “African culture”. How wrong you are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall:</p>
<p>I am not an old tape recorder- I won’t keep on rewinding and repeating my explanations.</p>
<p>This conversation is now binary- more than anything else- it is high time that we said farewell to each other.</p>
<p>So long lindie! </p>
<p>You clearly believe that there is no such thing as “African culture”. How wrong you are!</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xolani

Please answer the question - what is African culture? This would have to be equally acceptable in Libya, Morocco, Ethiopia, South Africa, Kenya and Somalia.

And no-one knows how long ago the Nguni were one people because their history is oral and not written down. Linguists can work it out from the present languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xolani</p>
<p>Please answer the question &#8211; what is African culture? This would have to be equally acceptable in Libya, Morocco, Ethiopia, South Africa, Kenya and Somalia.</p>
<p>And no-one knows how long ago the Nguni were one people because their history is oral and not written down. Linguists can work it out from the present languages.</p>
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		<title>By: Xolani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xolani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Lyndall:

There is no point on mentioning what another person said without referring to the original source. It just makes sense not to speak for a person who has already spoken for himself. Rather quote for me what he said.

On the “old blog” issue. Well the arguments are still very much relevant. And therefore it makes sense to respond as you did. Surprisingly you claim that you won’t find the post. Well you did now didn’t you?

I have explained numerously what culture, Greek and African culture is. It is your refusal to understand the information that leads you astray in believing that there is no such thing as African culture.

Interestingly, the Abantu that you referred to refers to people and not necessarily Ngunis. When did the Ngunis ever speak one language? Elaborate please because your claims look fabricated, imaginary and unreal. 

What is it that you refute about African culture exactly? Why should western culture remain justified yet African culture be refuted in such a manner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Lyndall:</p>
<p>There is no point on mentioning what another person said without referring to the original source. It just makes sense not to speak for a person who has already spoken for himself. Rather quote for me what he said.</p>
<p>On the “old blog” issue. Well the arguments are still very much relevant. And therefore it makes sense to respond as you did. Surprisingly you claim that you won’t find the post. Well you did now didn’t you?</p>
<p>I have explained numerously what culture, Greek and African culture is. It is your refusal to understand the information that leads you astray in believing that there is no such thing as African culture.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the Abantu that you referred to refers to people and not necessarily Ngunis. When did the Ngunis ever speak one language? Elaborate please because your claims look fabricated, imaginary and unreal. </p>
<p>What is it that you refute about African culture exactly? Why should western culture remain justified yet African culture be refuted in such a manner?</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndall Beddy</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/ismaillagardien/2008/08/04/i-am-not-patriotic-forgedaboudit/comment-page-1/#comment-51468</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyndall Beddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xolani

I have warned you before - I don&#039;t link. It is no use writing to me on an old blogpost - I won&#039;t find it. However, I have answered you on the taxi industry.

Let us turn this discussion around. You tell me - what is peculiarly &quot;African&quot; culture, which is NOT also peculiarly normal human nature.

And all the Nguni languages come from the same stem &quot;Urbantu&quot; rather like Italian comes from Latin. They were one language and one culture once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xolani</p>
<p>I have warned you before &#8211; I don&#8217;t link. It is no use writing to me on an old blogpost &#8211; I won&#8217;t find it. However, I have answered you on the taxi industry.</p>
<p>Let us turn this discussion around. You tell me &#8211; what is peculiarly &#8220;African&#8221; culture, which is NOT also peculiarly normal human nature.</p>
<p>And all the Nguni languages come from the same stem &#8220;Urbantu&#8221; rather like Italian comes from Latin. They were one language and one culture once.</p>
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		<title>By: Xolani</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/ismaillagardien/2008/08/04/i-am-not-patriotic-forgedaboudit/comment-page-1/#comment-51426</link>
		<dc:creator>Xolani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall:
 
I am STILL awaiting for a response on your impractical Nationalization of the Taxi industry.

Answer before Christmas, will you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall:</p>
<p>I am STILL awaiting for a response on your impractical Nationalization of the Taxi industry.</p>
<p>Answer before Christmas, will you.</p>
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		<title>By: Xolani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xolani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall:
Now that I have calmed down. Where are your FACTS?
In light of: “Oldfox has linked some fascinating articles on the Dogon - whose belief system is numerical and symbolic NOTHING like the Nguni belief system.”
Well share the links to these articles. However, how do they prove that there is no such thing as African culture- as you are persistently arguing? 
By the way, the fact that the belief system is different proves my point exactly. Have you bothered looking at the other side of the coin? The SIMILARITIES, my dear. Why do you treat them as if they are mutually exclusive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall:<br />
Now that I have calmed down. Where are your FACTS?<br />
In light of: “Oldfox has linked some fascinating articles on the Dogon &#8211; whose belief system is numerical and symbolic NOTHING like the Nguni belief system.”<br />
Well share the links to these articles. However, how do they prove that there is no such thing as African culture- as you are persistently arguing?<br />
By the way, the fact that the belief system is different proves my point exactly. Have you bothered looking at the other side of the coin? The SIMILARITIES, my dear. Why do you treat them as if they are mutually exclusive?</p>
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		<title>By: Xolani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xolani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall, who on earth do you think you are telling me that: “African is so much bigger than that!” How arrogant, misdirect, imprudent, irresponsible and down right rude and insulting of you! How dare you!
Out of all the facts I gave you, you chose to solely isolate the slaughtering part. I wonder why this is? Moving forward, what about the hand eating?
You are most probably on the fence and undecided as to whether you are African or not. And you now want to confuse everybody. Well I am not going to fall for that. I know exactly where my blood belongs and that is in the ancestral land of my ancestors. And that my dear is right here in Africa! Particularly southern Africa and South Africa, finish and klaar!
You have once again failed to read my postings for what they are and not what you wish them to be. If you had dared to read them properly you would have noticed that I said; “So it is inherently clear that there are certain beliefs, customs, geographical understandings that are almost UNIVERSAL in their practice amongst Africans.”
So how does that translate to the Nguni tribe, huh!? Stop your nonsense man! For your own information even the Nguni’s do not practice similar beliefs, customs etc But it is because of these tribes’ general features of things they find appropriate and inappropriate that puts them under the same “Nguni” identity.
By the way, there is no such thing as Nguni culture. However owing to these similarities and differences amongst many African tribes one can but them under a single umbrella term and say that they represent African culture.
According to my knowledge culture is defined as: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/culture
Now consider African culture in the same manner you consider Greek –as outlined above- and English culture.
Now is it not true that the English, in their variations, are not the same? Some have inherent differences to some in the same manner the Greek and Romans are also different. But they all form part of “western culture” and westernization. 
Consider how Roman and English Law run. However different they are but they have a lot of similarity that are well understood to both English and Roman courts.
The fact that both the English and Romans have courts with judges, magistrates etc makes them similar but not necessarily the same. In the same manner Africans are similar in terms of African culture yet different in their OWN tribal and individualised beliefs, customs etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall, who on earth do you think you are telling me that: “African is so much bigger than that!” How arrogant, misdirect, imprudent, irresponsible and down right rude and insulting of you! How dare you!<br />
Out of all the facts I gave you, you chose to solely isolate the slaughtering part. I wonder why this is? Moving forward, what about the hand eating?<br />
You are most probably on the fence and undecided as to whether you are African or not. And you now want to confuse everybody. Well I am not going to fall for that. I know exactly where my blood belongs and that is in the ancestral land of my ancestors. And that my dear is right here in Africa! Particularly southern Africa and South Africa, finish and klaar!<br />
You have once again failed to read my postings for what they are and not what you wish them to be. If you had dared to read them properly you would have noticed that I said; “So it is inherently clear that there are certain beliefs, customs, geographical understandings that are almost UNIVERSAL in their practice amongst Africans.”<br />
So how does that translate to the Nguni tribe, huh!? Stop your nonsense man! For your own information even the Nguni’s do not practice similar beliefs, customs etc But it is because of these tribes’ general features of things they find appropriate and inappropriate that puts them under the same “Nguni” identity.<br />
By the way, there is no such thing as Nguni culture. However owing to these similarities and differences amongst many African tribes one can but them under a single umbrella term and say that they represent African culture.<br />
According to my knowledge culture is defined as: <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/culture" rel="nofollow">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/culture</a><br />
Now consider African culture in the same manner you consider Greek –as outlined above- and English culture.<br />
Now is it not true that the English, in their variations, are not the same? Some have inherent differences to some in the same manner the Greek and Romans are also different. But they all form part of “western culture” and westernization.<br />
Consider how Roman and English Law run. However different they are but they have a lot of similarity that are well understood to both English and Roman courts.<br />
The fact that both the English and Romans have courts with judges, magistrates etc makes them similar but not necessarily the same. In the same manner Africans are similar in terms of African culture yet different in their OWN tribal and individualised beliefs, customs etc</p>
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