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	<title>Comments on: Zuma FBJ briefing: The row should be about secrecy, not race</title>
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		<title>By: Guy Berger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in my name, thanks.

Marcus writes: &quot;But Guy does have a point&quot;, and then goes on to say: &quot;Oh, and we’d like the wheel back too please.&quot; 

If you take his crazy mentality to its logical conclusion, then let us add in other non-African creations - like concentration camps, cluster bombs, etc. Yes, please, take them back. 

Marcus seems too blinkered to perceive that there is lotsa bad stuff that comes out of non-African places. 

But worse, can a person in 2008 really claim some kind of group credit for the invention of the wheel, as he does? 

Track back your own lineage boet! Even then, so what if it was your great-x-factor-of-500-granma who got the notion? It&#039;s absolutely meaningless.

We&#039;re talking common human heritage, not some bullshit racial property. Marcus, skud yourself man! 

Otherwise, you may want to hand over the language you write in. I don&#039;t quite think it originates in the middle east, whence perhaps knowledge of the wheel was first recorded, and which heritage you now wish to appropriate for &quot;us&quot;. Yugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in my name, thanks.</p>
<p>Marcus writes: &#8220;But Guy does have a point&#8221;, and then goes on to say: &#8220;Oh, and we’d like the wheel back too please.&#8221; </p>
<p>If you take his crazy mentality to its logical conclusion, then let us add in other non-African creations &#8211; like concentration camps, cluster bombs, etc. Yes, please, take them back. </p>
<p>Marcus seems too blinkered to perceive that there is lotsa bad stuff that comes out of non-African places. </p>
<p>But worse, can a person in 2008 really claim some kind of group credit for the invention of the wheel, as he does? </p>
<p>Track back your own lineage boet! Even then, so what if it was your great-x-factor-of-500-granma who got the notion? It&#8217;s absolutely meaningless.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking common human heritage, not some bullshit racial property. Marcus, skud yourself man! </p>
<p>Otherwise, you may want to hand over the language you write in. I don&#8217;t quite think it originates in the middle east, whence perhaps knowledge of the wheel was first recorded, and which heritage you now wish to appropriate for &#8220;us&#8221;. Yugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Thought Leader &#187; Na'eem Jeenah &#187; Coconuts, racism and SABC politics</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/guyberger/2008/02/25/zuma-fbj-briefing-the-row-should-be-about-secrecy-not-race/comment-page-2/#comment-19511</link>
		<dc:creator>Thought Leader &#187; Na'eem Jeenah &#187; Coconuts, racism and SABC politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the FBJ had organised an &#8220;off-the-record&#8221; briefing. In a well-argued piece, Guy Berger expresses his concern about this too. I believe if journalists were obligated to pass on all [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the FBJ had organised an &#8220;off-the-record&#8221; briefing. In a well-argued piece, Guy Berger expresses his concern about this too. I believe if journalists were obligated to pass on all [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/guyberger/2008/02/25/zuma-fbj-briefing-the-row-should-be-about-secrecy-not-race/comment-page-2/#comment-18909</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stabana: *clap *clap* well said. 

@Sammy D: we are already &quot;effing off&quot;. In numbers so high that the department of home affairs put a moratorium on collection of statistics on people who emigrated. It&#039;s why SA is in such dire straits. Haven&#039;t you heard about the massive increase in appointments being made with immigration agencies? 

But Guy does have a point: And as a white person, let me apologise unreservedly. From all of us. We&#039;re terribly sorry we dragged you kicking and screaming into the industrial age. You&#039;ve got your country back now, and you and &quot;your ilk&quot; are doing a fine job of putting it back the way it was before the Dutch East India company arrived here. Who needs electricity, potable water and efficient medical care anyway? Your government doesn&#039;t seem to think you do. They&#039;ll be happy to knock you all the way back to mud huts and cattle-herding. It keeps you dumb, and it keeps you voting for them.

One last thing before you go: just be sure you hand back crop rotation, writing, and increased life expectancy, OK? 

Oh, and we&#039;d like the wheel back too please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stabana: *clap *clap* well said. </p>
<p>@Sammy D: we are already &#8220;effing off&#8221;. In numbers so high that the department of home affairs put a moratorium on collection of statistics on people who emigrated. It&#8217;s why SA is in such dire straits. Haven&#8217;t you heard about the massive increase in appointments being made with immigration agencies? </p>
<p>But Guy does have a point: And as a white person, let me apologise unreservedly. From all of us. We&#8217;re terribly sorry we dragged you kicking and screaming into the industrial age. You&#8217;ve got your country back now, and you and &#8220;your ilk&#8221; are doing a fine job of putting it back the way it was before the Dutch East India company arrived here. Who needs electricity, potable water and efficient medical care anyway? Your government doesn&#8217;t seem to think you do. They&#8217;ll be happy to knock you all the way back to mud huts and cattle-herding. It keeps you dumb, and it keeps you voting for them.</p>
<p>One last thing before you go: just be sure you hand back crop rotation, writing, and increased life expectancy, OK? </p>
<p>Oh, and we&#8217;d like the wheel back too please.</p>
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		<title>By: stabana</title>
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		<dc:creator>stabana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sammy D

If it were not for the white man, you and I would probably be running around naked, looking after our fathers’ cattle and definitely speaking Zulu ( read mfecane).  The white man taught us to read and write and propelled us into the 21st century, hence your office job.  Judging by your comments I seriously doubt that you have white friends; -colleagues perhaps.  A black racist is as reprehensible as any other.  By the way, you know you’re a racist when you think in terms of “us” and “them”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sammy D</p>
<p>If it were not for the white man, you and I would probably be running around naked, looking after our fathers’ cattle and definitely speaking Zulu ( read mfecane).  The white man taught us to read and write and propelled us into the 21st century, hence your office job.  Judging by your comments I seriously doubt that you have white friends; -colleagues perhaps.  A black racist is as reprehensible as any other.  By the way, you know you’re a racist when you think in terms of “us” and “them”.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; South Africa: Racist Black Journalists?</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/guyberger/2008/02/25/zuma-fbj-briefing-the-row-should-be-about-secrecy-not-race/comment-page-1/#comment-18559</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; South Africa: Racist Black Journalists?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guy Berger The Forum of Black Journalists is welcome to choose whoever it likes to attend its meetings. Black, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nasdaq7</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/guyberger/2008/02/25/zuma-fbj-briefing-the-row-should-be-about-secrecy-not-race/comment-page-1/#comment-18310</link>
		<dc:creator>Nasdaq7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d thought I&#039;d post this here, since another Thoughtleader blogger is censoring comments. Ndumiso Ngcobo.

why do people use the term ‘coconuts&#039;?

You only have to look at the agenda of the Forum of Black Journalists (FBJ) to understand why they use those terms - they want to exploit the ignorance of poor African people.

The Forum of Black Journalists (FBJ):
To hide the fact that there is a lack of service delivery.

That is why they use the term ‘coconuts’ to censor the views of those that want to expose black leadership’s failure to deliver services in SA and Zimbabwe.

That is what the secrecy is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d thought I&#8217;d post this here, since another Thoughtleader blogger is censoring comments. Ndumiso Ngcobo.</p>
<p>why do people use the term ‘coconuts&#8217;?</p>
<p>You only have to look at the agenda of the Forum of Black Journalists (FBJ) to understand why they use those terms &#8211; they want to exploit the ignorance of poor African people.</p>
<p>The Forum of Black Journalists (FBJ):<br />
To hide the fact that there is a lack of service delivery.</p>
<p>That is why they use the term ‘coconuts’ to censor the views of those that want to expose black leadership’s failure to deliver services in SA and Zimbabwe.</p>
<p>That is what the secrecy is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: amused reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>amused reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Liansky

It&#039;s not the empowerment that p*sses us off, it&#039;s the stupidity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Liansky</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the empowerment that p*sses us off, it&#8217;s the stupidity!</p>
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		<title>By: Liansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And once again the whites and their coconut slaves rally against any form of black empowerment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And once again the whites and their coconut slaves rally against any form of black empowerment.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sammy D: if we eff off, whos gonna fill the trained jobs? You saw what happened in Zim/Moz/Angola/Zaire/Kenya(etc etc) when we did. So how long would it take you 2 then come beggin to our new countries like all the above mentioned. Zim was 20...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sammy D: if we eff off, whos gonna fill the trained jobs? You saw what happened in Zim/Moz/Angola/Zaire/Kenya(etc etc) when we did. So how long would it take you 2 then come beggin to our new countries like all the above mentioned. Zim was 20&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sammy D: Clearly the ppl in this forum needed some kind of assistance, the powers that be clearly considered them incapable of competing with the mainstream. Black South Africa proving Verwoerd right? in their own back yard? Showing the world they need extra assistance? They travelled the whole world to prove him wrong. Its called full circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sammy D: Clearly the ppl in this forum needed some kind of assistance, the powers that be clearly considered them incapable of competing with the mainstream. Black South Africa proving Verwoerd right? in their own back yard? Showing the world they need extra assistance? They travelled the whole world to prove him wrong. Its called full circle.</p>
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