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	<title>Comments on: Astronomy the answer to Eskom and our injured national pride</title>
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		<title>By: Ivo Vegter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo Vegter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought describing you as moonstruck was quite amusing, actually ;-)

But fair enough. I&#039;ve called both this government and Eskom as incompetent, and disputed the wisdom of an economic policy that not only underlies this failure, but also increases the gravity of its impact by preventing alternative service providers to pick up the dropped ball. 

I have, however, never described South Africans (or worse, some have charged, black South Africans) as a class as incompetent. On the contrary, and I have been quite explicit about this in my commentary, angry though it is. 

I have every confidence in the resourcefulness, ingenuity and energy of individual South Africans. But that means considering the people on their own merits, and not simply by the proxy of a paternalistic government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought describing you as moonstruck was quite amusing, actually <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But fair enough. I&#8217;ve called both this government and Eskom as incompetent, and disputed the wisdom of an economic policy that not only underlies this failure, but also increases the gravity of its impact by preventing alternative service providers to pick up the dropped ball. </p>
<p>I have, however, never described South Africans (or worse, some have charged, black South Africans) as a class as incompetent. On the contrary, and I have been quite explicit about this in my commentary, angry though it is. </p>
<p>I have every confidence in the resourcefulness, ingenuity and energy of individual South Africans. But that means considering the people on their own merits, and not simply by the proxy of a paternalistic government.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Berger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivo misses my point. The drum I was beating was that no one assumed Californians as a class were inherently incompetent; not the issue of whether heads rolled. On the other hand, if we saw some decapitations here, maybe it would lift the wider fug and reduce the generalised sense of predictable Africa. 

As to being moonstruck, I hope Ivo is not such an earnest capitalist agitator or so consumed by unfettered rage that he has lost any sense of humour or perspective. Try a bit of lunar solace, Ivo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivo misses my point. The drum I was beating was that no one assumed Californians as a class were inherently incompetent; not the issue of whether heads rolled. On the other hand, if we saw some decapitations here, maybe it would lift the wider fug and reduce the generalised sense of predictable Africa. </p>
<p>As to being moonstruck, I hope Ivo is not such an earnest capitalist agitator or so consumed by unfettered rage that he has lost any sense of humour or perspective. Try a bit of lunar solace, Ivo!</p>
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		<title>By: Thought Leader &#187; Ivo Vegter &#187; Where's the outrage?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thought Leader &#187; Ivo Vegter &#187; Where's the outrage?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then you hear moonstruck, positive-thinking delusions like those of journalism professor Guy Berger, and you despair for the future of this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then you hear moonstruck, positive-thinking delusions like those of journalism professor Guy Berger, and you despair for the future of this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Where's the outrage? « the spike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where's the outrage? « the spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] then you hear moonstruck positive-thinking delusions like those of journalism professor Guy Berger, and you despair for the future of this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] then you hear moonstruck positive-thinking delusions like those of journalism professor Guy Berger, and you despair for the future of this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nqina Dlamini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nqina Dlamini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Ivo Vegter, someone must not only take responsibility, but also suffer the consequences of their bad/misguided judgments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ivo Vegter, someone must not only take responsibility, but also suffer the consequences of their bad/misguided judgments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo Vegter</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/guyberger/2008/01/29/astronomy-the-answer-to-eskom-and-our-injured-national-pride/comment-page-1/#comment-13700</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivo Vegter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody thought worse of them? The governor of California, Democrat Gray Davis, became only the second state governor in American history to be recalled. Voters, enraged over the electricity crisis, replaced him with Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger. 

Pacific Gas and Electric went bust, and Southern California Edison needed a bailout. Companies that gamed the flawed regulations paid billions of dollars in settlements, and at least one, Enron, went bankrupt under a cloud of criminal charges. 

I don&#039;t know who you know that thought highly of the Californian state government, Governor Davis and Enron, but there can&#039;t be very many of them.

Those of use who are highly upset are upset not only because of the likely cost to our economy and our capability for reducing poverty, building prosperty and creating jobs (which strikes me as a perfectly justifiable reason for outrage), but also &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; we&#039;re proud South Africans. We&#039;re, frankly speaking, ashamed of our leaders&#039; failures, and aren&#039;t prepared to let them slide. We&#039;re ashamed that, unlike Governor Davis, nobody is being held accountable for this disaster. 

Patriotism implies proud loyalty to your country, not blind loyalty to leaders who fail in their responsibility to their citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody thought worse of them? The governor of California, Democrat Gray Davis, became only the second state governor in American history to be recalled. Voters, enraged over the electricity crisis, replaced him with Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger. </p>
<p>Pacific Gas and Electric went bust, and Southern California Edison needed a bailout. Companies that gamed the flawed regulations paid billions of dollars in settlements, and at least one, Enron, went bankrupt under a cloud of criminal charges. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who you know that thought highly of the Californian state government, Governor Davis and Enron, but there can&#8217;t be very many of them.</p>
<p>Those of use who are highly upset are upset not only because of the likely cost to our economy and our capability for reducing poverty, building prosperty and creating jobs (which strikes me as a perfectly justifiable reason for outrage), but also <em>because</em> we&#8217;re proud South Africans. We&#8217;re, frankly speaking, ashamed of our leaders&#8217; failures, and aren&#8217;t prepared to let them slide. We&#8217;re ashamed that, unlike Governor Davis, nobody is being held accountable for this disaster. </p>
<p>Patriotism implies proud loyalty to your country, not blind loyalty to leaders who fail in their responsibility to their citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice title but very little substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice title but very little substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Posetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Posetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An external observer&#039;s perspective: In my experience of discussions about South Africa with other ‘First World’ (hate that label, btw!) folk, it’s disappointment, not racism, that flavours the conversation. The disappointment comes from burdening SA with the collective hopes &amp; expectations of outsiders (disappointed in their own lands) desperate to believe that the nation which so bravely unshackled itself from centuries of white oppression, with a display of extraordinary heart and the harnessed power of forgiveness, will confound its detractors.   

And, it’s hard to blame foreign journalists for reporting SA through a negative prism in the current climate – it’s the convergence of all the scandal and bad news that makes for such an arresting and powerful (bad puns intended) story.

So, thanks for the beautiful imagery of the night sky over Africa. It’s the same sky I marvel at in the dark from my farmhouse porch on the outskirts of Canberra, where the absence of street lights is a blessing. 

And this may make you feel better about your own infrastructure problems: I live 25kms from Australia’s seat of government but my (ancient) phone line goes down after each rainfall; my property has no mobile phone coverage and; our national water crisis means I have to truck drinking water in (via an unsealed road). But I’m not isolated enough to avoid the cultural cringe associated with a national holiday that celebrates the invasion of Aboriginal Australia and the international embarrassment visited by marauding sports fans chanting “Aussie, Aussie, Aussie - Oi, Oi, Oi”! 

Here’s one Aussie cheering SA on: “Africa, Africa, Africa! Go, go, go! Here ends essay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An external observer&#8217;s perspective: In my experience of discussions about South Africa with other ‘First World’ (hate that label, btw!) folk, it’s disappointment, not racism, that flavours the conversation. The disappointment comes from burdening SA with the collective hopes &amp; expectations of outsiders (disappointed in their own lands) desperate to believe that the nation which so bravely unshackled itself from centuries of white oppression, with a display of extraordinary heart and the harnessed power of forgiveness, will confound its detractors.   </p>
<p>And, it’s hard to blame foreign journalists for reporting SA through a negative prism in the current climate – it’s the convergence of all the scandal and bad news that makes for such an arresting and powerful (bad puns intended) story.</p>
<p>So, thanks for the beautiful imagery of the night sky over Africa. It’s the same sky I marvel at in the dark from my farmhouse porch on the outskirts of Canberra, where the absence of street lights is a blessing. </p>
<p>And this may make you feel better about your own infrastructure problems: I live 25kms from Australia’s seat of government but my (ancient) phone line goes down after each rainfall; my property has no mobile phone coverage and; our national water crisis means I have to truck drinking water in (via an unsealed road). But I’m not isolated enough to avoid the cultural cringe associated with a national holiday that celebrates the invasion of Aboriginal Australia and the international embarrassment visited by marauding sports fans chanting “Aussie, Aussie, Aussie &#8211; Oi, Oi, Oi”! </p>
<p>Here’s one Aussie cheering SA on: “Africa, Africa, Africa! Go, go, go! Here ends essay.</p>
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		<title>By: Astronomy Pictures - Images of moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astronomy Pictures - Images of moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Astronomy the answer to Eskom and our injured national pride Thought Leader - Johannesburg,South Africa You can recognise that negative images about us are coloured by hypocritical and racist outlooks. But unless you&#8217;re blind, you can also recognise that this &#8230; See all stories on this topic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Astronomy the answer to Eskom and our injured national pride Thought Leader &#8211; Johannesburg,South Africa You can recognise that negative images about us are coloured by hypocritical and racist outlooks. But unless you&rsquo;re blind, you can also recognise that this &#8230; See all stories on this topic [...]</p>
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