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	<title>Comments on: SA’s press council: Public watchdog or (government) bloodhound?</title>
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		<title>By: David Le Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Le Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vimbai, I agree that in normal circumstances everyone has a right to privacy. I also agree that this right of privacy extends to the private lives and circumstances of cabinet ministers and presidents. So, for example, if I had information that a senior cabinet minister was having an affair, I would not automatically consider that information fair game for publication. That information would certainly not warrant the theft of private documents. (This would change, however, if the minister in question, decided to become a leader for &quot;moral regeneration&quot; for example.

However, in the case of Minister Tshabalala-Msimang, the information revealed by the Sunday Times directly reflects a) on her competency as a minister b) on her moral fitness for public office c) her lack of respect for the general public - why should she receive any preferential treatment at all in the public health service which she so badly mismanages with such tragic consequences. Just yesterday morning, I drove a friend to Tygerberg Hospital in Cape Town to be admitted for an operation. The hospital&#039;s environs are shabby and rundown, parking next to impossible. It is a completely unwelcoming environment for patients even before one begins to consider standards of patient care (which are generally far better here in the Western Cape than elsewhere in the country). The government&#039;s underspending on, and neglect of health, and the rights of ordinary people to the best possible medical care, is a disgrace to the spirit of democracy, human rights, and the Freedom Charter - and yet you consider T-M&#039;s abuse of privilege to be worthy of protection in the guise of &quot;privacy&quot;?

In the circumstances, and once they had received the information, it would have been immoral for the editors of the Sunday Times NOT to have published this information.

On a separate point, Essop Pahad is a scary apparatchik whose style directly reflects the president&#039;s penchant for control, control, control, control. Yet, as a journalist myself, I cannot but agree that the media&#039;s corrections and acknowledgements of error are frequently defensive, mean and begrudging and usually come nowhere close to undoing the possible damage of the original error. This problem has been compounded in the age of the internet because news articles are frequently blogged or circulated by email - yet correction rarely draw the same attention.

All papers should create websites dedicated to correction of errors that provide a one-stop view for their readers of past errors, standing catalogs not of their incompetence but of their dedication to the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vimbai, I agree that in normal circumstances everyone has a right to privacy. I also agree that this right of privacy extends to the private lives and circumstances of cabinet ministers and presidents. So, for example, if I had information that a senior cabinet minister was having an affair, I would not automatically consider that information fair game for publication. That information would certainly not warrant the theft of private documents. (This would change, however, if the minister in question, decided to become a leader for &#8220;moral regeneration&#8221; for example.</p>
<p>However, in the case of Minister Tshabalala-Msimang, the information revealed by the Sunday Times directly reflects a) on her competency as a minister b) on her moral fitness for public office c) her lack of respect for the general public &#8211; why should she receive any preferential treatment at all in the public health service which she so badly mismanages with such tragic consequences. Just yesterday morning, I drove a friend to Tygerberg Hospital in Cape Town to be admitted for an operation. The hospital&#8217;s environs are shabby and rundown, parking next to impossible. It is a completely unwelcoming environment for patients even before one begins to consider standards of patient care (which are generally far better here in the Western Cape than elsewhere in the country). The government&#8217;s underspending on, and neglect of health, and the rights of ordinary people to the best possible medical care, is a disgrace to the spirit of democracy, human rights, and the Freedom Charter &#8211; and yet you consider T-M&#8217;s abuse of privilege to be worthy of protection in the guise of &#8220;privacy&#8221;?</p>
<p>In the circumstances, and once they had received the information, it would have been immoral for the editors of the Sunday Times NOT to have published this information.</p>
<p>On a separate point, Essop Pahad is a scary apparatchik whose style directly reflects the president&#8217;s penchant for control, control, control, control. Yet, as a journalist myself, I cannot but agree that the media&#8217;s corrections and acknowledgements of error are frequently defensive, mean and begrudging and usually come nowhere close to undoing the possible damage of the original error. This problem has been compounded in the age of the internet because news articles are frequently blogged or circulated by email &#8211; yet correction rarely draw the same attention.</p>
<p>All papers should create websites dedicated to correction of errors that provide a one-stop view for their readers of past errors, standing catalogs not of their incompetence but of their dedication to the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the make-up of the SABC board shall we add the attempted buy-out of Johncom?

More *stealth* regulation than self regulation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the make-up of the SABC board shall we add the attempted buy-out of Johncom?</p>
<p>More *stealth* regulation than self regulation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Berger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think government worries about the coverage of Paris Hilton! There is concern about critical coverage of the Manto Tshabala-Msimang. These concerns are politically charged, but they trade on grey areas and questionable ethics. I share the latter concerns, but I worry more about the political exploitation of these. 

In this light, Essop Pahad is saying two things: 1. Broadly speaking, you have press freedom; 2. within this, you had better self-regulate better, or ...

The stakes in this are quite serious. I&#039;ll write about in on Thursday in my M&amp;G column: www.mg.co.za/converse</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think government worries about the coverage of Paris Hilton! There is concern about critical coverage of the Manto Tshabala-Msimang. These concerns are politically charged, but they trade on grey areas and questionable ethics. I share the latter concerns, but I worry more about the political exploitation of these. </p>
<p>In this light, Essop Pahad is saying two things: 1. Broadly speaking, you have press freedom; 2. within this, you had better self-regulate better, or &#8230;</p>
<p>The stakes in this are quite serious. I&#8217;ll write about in on Thursday in my M&amp;G column: <a href="http://www.mg.co.za/converse" rel="nofollow">http://www.mg.co.za/converse</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vimbai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vimbai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Government does have a case. Look at the way Manto had her medical papers &quot;stolen&quot;  (I stand to be corrected here), and published with total disregard to her constitutional right to privacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Government does have a case. Look at the way Manto had her medical papers &#8220;stolen&#8221;  (I stand to be corrected here), and published with total disregard to her constitutional right to privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, Essop&#039;s threats are thinly-veiled. The most worrying is surely the implicit threat of &quot;self regulation&quot;. How do we relate this to the make-up of the SABC board?

Guy, the way that you structure this article implies that you think that Pahad/The ANC sees &quot;self regulation&quot; as the iron fist in the velvet glove. Is this true? 

And should a party who can declare BEFORE an election that they will win really be worried about what the press has to say? Clearly they are of no real interest to the electorate, so by that logic, why highlight the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, Essop&#8217;s threats are thinly-veiled. The most worrying is surely the implicit threat of &#8220;self regulation&#8221;. How do we relate this to the make-up of the SABC board?</p>
<p>Guy, the way that you structure this article implies that you think that Pahad/The ANC sees &#8220;self regulation&#8221; as the iron fist in the velvet glove. Is this true? </p>
<p>And should a party who can declare BEFORE an election that they will win really be worried about what the press has to say? Clearly they are of no real interest to the electorate, so by that logic, why highlight the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paris and Manto should (and probably do) understand that since they&#039;re public figures, a certain amount of public attention will be focussed on them anyway. However, in Paris&#039;s case (and because of her general uselessness), there&#039;s no such thing as negative publicity, which works in her favour. 

In Manto&#039;s case, it&#039;s different. The decisions she makes, the policies she implements, and the things she says are costing people their lives, so is it any wonder she gets lambasted like she does? Between her and Nkosazana Zuma, they&#039;ve done more damage to our health care sector in the past 10 years than I would have believe possible. And these people are still heads of state?!

Essop Pahad needs to get over himself and realise that if his cronies behave themselves and actually do the jobs they were being paid to do, there wouldn&#039;t be so much finger pointing and blamestorming in the press. Yes the ANC is guaranteed to be the government in the next election. So what? What does that have to do with anything? If they behave like irresponsible kids, they&#039;re going to get treated like irresponsible kids. Until they start gagging the press, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paris and Manto should (and probably do) understand that since they&#8217;re public figures, a certain amount of public attention will be focussed on them anyway. However, in Paris&#8217;s case (and because of her general uselessness), there&#8217;s no such thing as negative publicity, which works in her favour. </p>
<p>In Manto&#8217;s case, it&#8217;s different. The decisions she makes, the policies she implements, and the things she says are costing people their lives, so is it any wonder she gets lambasted like she does? Between her and Nkosazana Zuma, they&#8217;ve done more damage to our health care sector in the past 10 years than I would have believe possible. And these people are still heads of state?!</p>
<p>Essop Pahad needs to get over himself and realise that if his cronies behave themselves and actually do the jobs they were being paid to do, there wouldn&#8217;t be so much finger pointing and blamestorming in the press. Yes the ANC is guaranteed to be the government in the next election. So what? What does that have to do with anything? If they behave like irresponsible kids, they&#8217;re going to get treated like irresponsible kids. Until they start gagging the press, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Osborne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Pahad utterly oblivious to irony?  Can he be  unaware that he is parroting precisley the languge of Jimmy Kruger etc. circa 1982:  Yes, press freedom is important; but the press must use that freedom &quot;responsibly.&quot;

What Pahad forgets is the existence of the law of defamation.  It functions as a very real check on media freedom -- which is as it should be.  The question is whether there can be any legal limit on media freedom other than defamation.  I would have thought not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Pahad utterly oblivious to irony?  Can he be  unaware that he is parroting precisley the languge of Jimmy Kruger etc. circa 1982:  Yes, press freedom is important; but the press must use that freedom &#8220;responsibly.&#8221;</p>
<p>What Pahad forgets is the existence of the law of defamation.  It functions as a very real check on media freedom &#8212; which is as it should be.  The question is whether there can be any legal limit on media freedom other than defamation.  I would have thought not.</p>
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		<title>By: Mischa &#38; Mvulane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mischa &#38; Mvulane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Manto&#039;s case people wanna here about sdcandals but in Hilton&#039;s case they want to know about the mundane things of her everyday life. Besides, she is not really a conventional beauty (Paris Hilton that is) so clearly her &quot;looks&quot; aren&#039;t what fascinate people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Manto&#8217;s case people wanna here about sdcandals but in Hilton&#8217;s case they want to know about the mundane things of her everyday life. Besides, she is not really a conventional beauty (Paris Hilton that is) so clearly her &#8220;looks&#8221; aren&#8217;t what fascinate people.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerrie Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerrie Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup!
I always thought Manto can compete with both Paris Hilton and Britney Spears as far as looks go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup!<br />
I always thought Manto can compete with both Paris Hilton and Britney Spears as far as looks go.</p>
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		<title>By: Mischa &#38; Mvulane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mischa &#38; Mvulane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that some editors do not carefully and responsibly consider what is published in their newspapers. The defend themselves by saying that &quot;it&#039;s all in the public interest&quot;. This is not always true. We all know that sensational gossip sells newspapers because people find scandalous behaviour titilating to read about. Is sensational gossip in the public interest? No! It&#039;s clear that the media deals wrecklesly with political figures. To them they are the Paris Hiltons of this part of the world. The South Africans who have access to mainstream media have as much voyeuristic interest in politicians scandals as Americans are in Britney Spears.Fact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that some editors do not carefully and responsibly consider what is published in their newspapers. The defend themselves by saying that &#8220;it&#8217;s all in the public interest&#8221;. This is not always true. We all know that sensational gossip sells newspapers because people find scandalous behaviour titilating to read about. Is sensational gossip in the public interest? No! It&#8217;s clear that the media deals wrecklesly with political figures. To them they are the Paris Hiltons of this part of the world. The South Africans who have access to mainstream media have as much voyeuristic interest in politicians scandals as Americans are in Britney Spears.Fact?</p>
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