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		<title>By: cool down.</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/dumisanimagadlela/2008/02/06/iq-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-16743</link>
		<dc:creator>cool down.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac
Would you&#039;re saying sounds more like the pledge
by the &#039;Three musketeers&#039;

Socialism is a political system that aims to create
a society in which everyone has equal oppurtunities
and in which the most important industries
are owned and controled by the whole community.
( they tried this in the argriculture sector and
most of them are miserable failures)

 Capitalism on the other hand would be
a system in which property,businesses and industry
are owned by individual people and not the Government.( Unfortunately this led to extremely
wealthy individuals and explotation of labour)

Communism is a political and economic system in
which there is mo private ownership of property
or industry and in which people of all social
classes are treated equally.( This was tried
and has failed whereever it was practised)

So which one do you prefer and what do you think we have at the moment and in which direction do
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac<br />
Would you&#8217;re saying sounds more like the pledge<br />
by the &#8216;Three musketeers&#8217;</p>
<p>Socialism is a political system that aims to create<br />
a society in which everyone has equal oppurtunities<br />
and in which the most important industries<br />
are owned and controled by the whole community.<br />
( they tried this in the argriculture sector and<br />
most of them are miserable failures)</p>
<p> Capitalism on the other hand would be<br />
a system in which property,businesses and industry<br />
are owned by individual people and not the Government.( Unfortunately this led to extremely<br />
wealthy individuals and explotation of labour)</p>
<p>Communism is a political and economic system in<br />
which there is mo private ownership of property<br />
or industry and in which people of all social<br />
classes are treated equally.( This was tried<br />
and has failed whereever it was practised)</p>
<p>So which one do you prefer and what do you think we have at the moment and in which direction do<br />
you think we are heading under the ANC?</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dumisani

There is a better way to evaluate EQ than by the scientific method? Sorry, but you have lost me bro&#039;. Maybe because of my low EQ, I don&#039;t understand this ubuntu thing.

Forgive me, but I&#039;m not well versed in the Afringlish (I was in exile for too long). Mind you, I&#039;m no slouch in languages;  I&#039;ve mastered Ameringlish, Indinglish, Teeningrish and Caribbenglish and now I&#039;m learning Newspeak (using George Orwell&#039;s phrase book).

Would ubuntu equate with good old fashioned word &quot;socialism&quot;? You know the philosophy that has the mantra &quot;one for all and all for one person&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dumisani</p>
<p>There is a better way to evaluate EQ than by the scientific method? Sorry, but you have lost me bro&#8217;. Maybe because of my low EQ, I don&#8217;t understand this ubuntu thing.</p>
<p>Forgive me, but I&#8217;m not well versed in the Afringlish (I was in exile for too long). Mind you, I&#8217;m no slouch in languages;  I&#8217;ve mastered Ameringlish, Indinglish, Teeningrish and Caribbenglish and now I&#8217;m learning Newspeak (using George Orwell&#8217;s phrase book).</p>
<p>Would ubuntu equate with good old fashioned word &#8220;socialism&#8221;? You know the philosophy that has the mantra &#8220;one for all and all for one person&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dumisani, how robust are these EQ-tests? We know that in IQ-tests it is the case that if Johnny outscores Rick on test A he will in all likelihood outscore him in test B, C, D etc as well. Has the EQ-concept been proven in this way? 

Also, is there a correlation between IQ and EQ? We know that sociopathic behaviour, which I surmise would be indicative of low EQ, is strongly associated with low IQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumisani, how robust are these EQ-tests? We know that in IQ-tests it is the case that if Johnny outscores Rick on test A he will in all likelihood outscore him in test B, C, D etc as well. Has the EQ-concept been proven in this way? </p>
<p>Also, is there a correlation between IQ and EQ? We know that sociopathic behaviour, which I surmise would be indicative of low EQ, is strongly associated with low IQ.</p>
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		<title>By: cool down.</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool down.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is unfair to arrive at conclusions which one
cannot substantiate, beause it is simply impossible
to test the whole population. So as I have 
stated in earlier post IQ tests can vary widely
and the fact that there are tests with standard
deviations of  15 indicates that we simply struggle
to measure IQ.

The conclusion that certain races are more intelligent rests on the basis of certain assumptions, resulting in numerous theories.

The fact that nobydy has endeavoured to answer
my simple question of the number of possible
combinations possible in the Guilford cubical
model proves my point.

If we arrive at that answer we will see that
human ingenuity is not simply arrived at by testing.The answer will reveal endless combinations
and each combination will expose a different,although sometimes related abilty.

Tests are therefore only indicators of
 future behaviour,but as emotions,trauma
lack of feeding,environment play a crucial role
it is not fair to expect the same results from
different population groups who live under
different circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfair to arrive at conclusions which one<br />
cannot substantiate, beause it is simply impossible<br />
to test the whole population. So as I have<br />
stated in earlier post IQ tests can vary widely<br />
and the fact that there are tests with standard<br />
deviations of  15 indicates that we simply struggle<br />
to measure IQ.</p>
<p>The conclusion that certain races are more intelligent rests on the basis of certain assumptions, resulting in numerous theories.</p>
<p>The fact that nobydy has endeavoured to answer<br />
my simple question of the number of possible<br />
combinations possible in the Guilford cubical<br />
model proves my point.</p>
<p>If we arrive at that answer we will see that<br />
human ingenuity is not simply arrived at by testing.The answer will reveal endless combinations<br />
and each combination will expose a different,although sometimes related abilty.</p>
<p>Tests are therefore only indicators of<br />
 future behaviour,but as emotions,trauma<br />
lack of feeding,environment play a crucial role<br />
it is not fair to expect the same results from<br />
different population groups who live under<br />
different circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Referring to my comment above, I just came across the following article that might explain why the English average IQ is lower than the Dutch:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/02/04/noindex/npro104.xml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referring to my comment above, I just came across the following article that might explain why the English average IQ is lower than the Dutch:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/02/04/noindex/npro104.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/02/04/noindex/npro104.xml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dumisani</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/dumisanimagadlela/2008/02/06/iq-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-15095</link>
		<dc:creator>Dumisani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mac
You make some very good points in your comment. Would be interesting to see how our politicians score in a Morality Quotiant test. How do you see George Bush scoring? 
Another thing Mac, EQ is &#039;scientifically&#039; testable and measurable. Note, also, that there are other ways of knowing and learning besides western and others &#039;sciences&#039;, and they work just fine too, if not better than our beloved science. Yes science or the scientific way, is the dominant &#039;knowledge paradigm&#039; of our time, but it is by no means the best one for all types of learning or knowing every truth. All it is ...is another box that sooner or later we have to learn to think outside of... sweetest of ironies that.

Thanks for sharing Mac </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mac<br />
You make some very good points in your comment. Would be interesting to see how our politicians score in a Morality Quotiant test. How do you see George Bush scoring?<br />
Another thing Mac, EQ is &#8216;scientifically&#8217; testable and measurable. Note, also, that there are other ways of knowing and learning besides western and others &#8216;sciences&#8217;, and they work just fine too, if not better than our beloved science. Yes science or the scientific way, is the dominant &#8216;knowledge paradigm&#8217; of our time, but it is by no means the best one for all types of learning or knowing every truth. All it is &#8230;is another box that sooner or later we have to learn to think outside of&#8230; sweetest of ironies that.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing Mac</p>
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		<title>By: Taxman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubuntu&#039;s a very convenient myth. It&#039;s like &quot;nirvana&quot;. Attempts are being made here by Dumisane to infuse it with so much woolly mysticism that only spiritually-enlightened people of the African persuasion are even capable of grasping it. It&#039;s an exclusivist notion.

But it&#039;s a myth, all the same. It actually doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubuntu&#8217;s a very convenient myth. It&#8217;s like &#8220;nirvana&#8221;. Attempts are being made here by Dumisane to infuse it with so much woolly mysticism that only spiritually-enlightened people of the African persuasion are even capable of grasping it. It&#8217;s an exclusivist notion.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a myth, all the same. It actually doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dumisani

I totally agree with your comment about the desirability of humour in blogs. Many blog correspondents should lighten up! I wonder in light of your discussion on IQ (intelligence quotient)whether there is such a thing as HQ (Humour Quotient)?

IQ does well what it is designed to do - measure IQ. Theory and practice have been shown to be scientifically robust and consistent in practice. For example, people tested when the were at school (in Scotland) have roughly the same scores after retirement. It&#039;s been found that people with high IQs tend to have better jobs and live longer. But it is not an infallible guide to success.

I illustrate this below:

Bob Rae, a left-wing politician, who rose to become Premier of the richest province in Canada (Ontario), had an exceptional IQ and had obtained a Rhodes Scholarship to prove it. Some people called him a &quot;bright Rae&quot; (because his name is pronounced &quot;Ray&quot;). His reign over the province was such a disaster, bringing ruin on the erstwhile prosperous province. To balance the provincial books he demanded (and succeeded through legislation) that provincial bureaucrats, teachers, doctors, the police etc work unpaid for one day a week!

I would like to propose a new test - the MQ (Morality Quotient) - to determine who is likely to get to the top, and it be made a requirement for politicians especially. The score would be adjusted to 100 for the average person; a low score near zero would only be achievable by deities or the brain-dead. The higher the score, the more immoral and this would (in my estimation) correlate with people in high positions. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Napoleon and the like would obviously be high scorers; but I wonder where the lesser likes - Mbeki, Zuma, Bill Gates, Ted Kennedy, Soros, to name just a few - would come in the scoring.

EQ, although an interesting hypothesis, is not scientifically proven at this stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dumisani</p>
<p>I totally agree with your comment about the desirability of humour in blogs. Many blog correspondents should lighten up! I wonder in light of your discussion on IQ (intelligence quotient)whether there is such a thing as HQ (Humour Quotient)?</p>
<p>IQ does well what it is designed to do &#8211; measure IQ. Theory and practice have been shown to be scientifically robust and consistent in practice. For example, people tested when the were at school (in Scotland) have roughly the same scores after retirement. It&#8217;s been found that people with high IQs tend to have better jobs and live longer. But it is not an infallible guide to success.</p>
<p>I illustrate this below:</p>
<p>Bob Rae, a left-wing politician, who rose to become Premier of the richest province in Canada (Ontario), had an exceptional IQ and had obtained a Rhodes Scholarship to prove it. Some people called him a &#8220;bright Rae&#8221; (because his name is pronounced &#8220;Ray&#8221;). His reign over the province was such a disaster, bringing ruin on the erstwhile prosperous province. To balance the provincial books he demanded (and succeeded through legislation) that provincial bureaucrats, teachers, doctors, the police etc work unpaid for one day a week!</p>
<p>I would like to propose a new test &#8211; the MQ (Morality Quotient) &#8211; to determine who is likely to get to the top, and it be made a requirement for politicians especially. The score would be adjusted to 100 for the average person; a low score near zero would only be achievable by deities or the brain-dead. The higher the score, the more immoral and this would (in my estimation) correlate with people in high positions. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Napoleon and the like would obviously be high scorers; but I wonder where the lesser likes &#8211; Mbeki, Zuma, Bill Gates, Ted Kennedy, Soros, to name just a few &#8211; would come in the scoring.</p>
<p>EQ, although an interesting hypothesis, is not scientifically proven at this stage.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;please note that the same tests state the Afrikaners have a lower IQ than the South African English.&quot;

That would be because Afrikaners have about a 7% admixture of non-white blood. Their Dutch ancestry would actually predict the opposite, since the Netherlands have an average 104 IQ compared to the UK&#039;s 98. Admixture also explains why American blacks average an 85 IQ compared to African blacks&#039; 72 IQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;please note that the same tests state the Afrikaners have a lower IQ than the South African English.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be because Afrikaners have about a 7% admixture of non-white blood. Their Dutch ancestry would actually predict the opposite, since the Netherlands have an average 104 IQ compared to the UK&#8217;s 98. Admixture also explains why American blacks average an 85 IQ compared to African blacks&#8217; 72 IQ.</p>
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		<title>By: cool down.</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool down.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin
 You may have a point,but it also true that
there are many succesful and lesser known succesful
businessman.Not many of my generation made it to
matric (grade 12) because economic circumstances
forced them to quit school after standard 8 (grade
10). They simply had to find jobs to support
their struggling families.

My father in law managed standard 6 (grade 8)
but became a very succesful traindriver doing
his apprenticeship as a stoker.

My dad made standard 5 (grade 7) left school
and enrolled as an prentice to become a very
succesful plumber and fitter.

His first job was to sweep the workshop floors
and clean the artisans tools, before he was allowed
to use them. Now just imagine that at the age
of 14 you have been sweeping floors and cleaning
tools for a number of years.

Regulated working hours did not exist, you worked
from dusk to dawn, for a pittance.I walked 14 miles to a job to assist him. We, my younger and
I earned 10 shillings (R1-00) 50c each for
a days work.Admittedly money was still worth
something in those days.

So much for the fable that all whites were rich,
a fable and lie still maintained by the present
government.

The majority of whites lived on properties heavily
subsidized, which allowed them to obtain bonds
far exceeding what their actual salary permitted.

These housing subsidy schemes by the State,province
and local authorities were heavily exploited in
the initial stages. So it is not only Blacks that can exploit schemes,they are in good company, a
number of whites did it as well.

Did it make us rich, no it did not,it allowed us
to enjoy a comfartable lifestyle which our straight
pay did not permit.

This is also happening today, in generous car allowances, medical scheme contributions etc.

So I reckon if you fuel the economy by inflated
consumer spending not based on real economic output
and productivity, as inflation intends to distort
everything, it is not surprising that our
economic bubble is bound to burst sooner than
later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin<br />
 You may have a point,but it also true that<br />
there are many succesful and lesser known succesful<br />
businessman.Not many of my generation made it to<br />
matric (grade 12) because economic circumstances<br />
forced them to quit school after standard 8 (grade<br />
10). They simply had to find jobs to support<br />
their struggling families.</p>
<p>My father in law managed standard 6 (grade <img src='http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
but became a very succesful traindriver doing<br />
his apprenticeship as a stoker.</p>
<p>My dad made standard 5 (grade 7) left school<br />
and enrolled as an prentice to become a very<br />
succesful plumber and fitter.</p>
<p>His first job was to sweep the workshop floors<br />
and clean the artisans tools, before he was allowed<br />
to use them. Now just imagine that at the age<br />
of 14 you have been sweeping floors and cleaning<br />
tools for a number of years.</p>
<p>Regulated working hours did not exist, you worked<br />
from dusk to dawn, for a pittance.I walked 14 miles to a job to assist him. We, my younger and<br />
I earned 10 shillings (R1-00) 50c each for<br />
a days work.Admittedly money was still worth<br />
something in those days.</p>
<p>So much for the fable that all whites were rich,<br />
a fable and lie still maintained by the present<br />
government.</p>
<p>The majority of whites lived on properties heavily<br />
subsidized, which allowed them to obtain bonds<br />
far exceeding what their actual salary permitted.</p>
<p>These housing subsidy schemes by the State,province<br />
and local authorities were heavily exploited in<br />
the initial stages. So it is not only Blacks that can exploit schemes,they are in good company, a<br />
number of whites did it as well.</p>
<p>Did it make us rich, no it did not,it allowed us<br />
to enjoy a comfartable lifestyle which our straight<br />
pay did not permit.</p>
<p>This is also happening today, in generous car allowances, medical scheme contributions etc.</p>
<p>So I reckon if you fuel the economy by inflated<br />
consumer spending not based on real economic output<br />
and productivity, as inflation intends to distort<br />
everything, it is not surprising that our<br />
economic bubble is bound to burst sooner than<br />
later.</p>
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