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		<title>By: Richard Jeffrey Newman - What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) anti­se­mi­tism and Israel — 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Jeffrey Newman - What We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) When We Talk About (And Don’t Talk About) anti­se­mi­tism and Israel — 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] take a look at what went on in South Africa in the midst of Israel’s attack on Gaza (here and here; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: david saks</title>
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		<dc:creator>david saks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yasmeen

The Gaza Palestinians are not &quot;starving to death&quot;. They are the recipients of massive humanitarian aid from the international community.

It is rubbish that Israel is &quot;blocking food and medical supplies&quot;. The opposite is true.

If Hamas were prepared to co-exist peacefully alongside Israel, there would be no need for extraordinary border restrictions etc. But Hamas is not - they are committed to Israel&#039;s violent destruction, and use every Israeli territorial concession to persist in their murderous attacks against Israeli civilians.

&quot;The genocide of a helpless and imprisoned people&quot;?! Don&#039;t make me laugh. If the Israelis wanted to commit genocide, all they would have to do is behave like Palestinians - for one weekend. Heaven forbid. However, that the Jewish people should ever sink so low as to behave like Palestinians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yasmeen</p>
<p>The Gaza Palestinians are not &#8220;starving to death&#8221;. They are the recipients of massive humanitarian aid from the international community.</p>
<p>It is rubbish that Israel is &#8220;blocking food and medical supplies&#8221;. The opposite is true.</p>
<p>If Hamas were prepared to co-exist peacefully alongside Israel, there would be no need for extraordinary border restrictions etc. But Hamas is not &#8211; they are committed to Israel&#8217;s violent destruction, and use every Israeli territorial concession to persist in their murderous attacks against Israeli civilians.</p>
<p>&#8220;The genocide of a helpless and imprisoned people&#8221;?! Don&#8217;t make me laugh. If the Israelis wanted to commit genocide, all they would have to do is behave like Palestinians &#8211; for one weekend. Heaven forbid. However, that the Jewish people should ever sink so low as to behave like Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2009/01/18/middle-east-fall-out-poisoning-our-society/comment-page-3/#comment-72681</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...you see, it in the interest of the Zionist enterprise to keep the Israeli Jews and Jews outside of Israel in fear of anti-Semitism, so that they will turn a blind eye to the oppression of Palestinians. They perpetuate this myth that, &quot;everybody hates us&quot; and &quot;wants to see us destroyed&quot;. I have met so many thousands of people in my life and have only been on the recieving end of an anti-semetic comment once, and that was when I was 12 years old. I feel compleley safe as a person as well as  Jew, in South Africa. Our constitution promotes equality and non-discrimination on every level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;you see, it in the interest of the Zionist enterprise to keep the Israeli Jews and Jews outside of Israel in fear of anti-Semitism, so that they will turn a blind eye to the oppression of Palestinians. They perpetuate this myth that, &#8220;everybody hates us&#8221; and &#8220;wants to see us destroyed&#8221;. I have met so many thousands of people in my life and have only been on the recieving end of an anti-semetic comment once, and that was when I was 12 years old. I feel compleley safe as a person as well as  Jew, in South Africa. Our constitution promotes equality and non-discrimination on every level.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 05:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beleive that the reason Saks wrote this article is that he tought he would draw anti-Semetic responses. In this was the case he would &quot;prove&quot; that there were anti-semites &quot;out there&quot;. Instead, there have been rational responses from thinking people. Thank you. Leonard Shapiro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beleive that the reason Saks wrote this article is that he tought he would draw anti-Semetic responses. In this was the case he would &#8220;prove&#8221; that there were anti-semites &#8220;out there&#8221;. Instead, there have been rational responses from thinking people. Thank you. Leonard Shapiro.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yasmeen, I share your sentiments completely and the myth that the ideology of Zionism has anything to do with the religion of Judaism needs to be constantly exposed. I am a Jew and love my religion and culture. Through much introspection and work on myself, I have seperated my religion of Judaism with the ideology of Zionism. People who couple Zionism with Judaism need to keep themselves blinkereed from the reality of occupation at all costs; if they for one moment acknowledged the crime that Israel has been and continues to perpetrate against the Palestinians, their very identity would come into question and they need to preserve this identity at all costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yasmeen, I share your sentiments completely and the myth that the ideology of Zionism has anything to do with the religion of Judaism needs to be constantly exposed. I am a Jew and love my religion and culture. Through much introspection and work on myself, I have seperated my religion of Judaism with the ideology of Zionism. People who couple Zionism with Judaism need to keep themselves blinkereed from the reality of occupation at all costs; if they for one moment acknowledged the crime that Israel has been and continues to perpetrate against the Palestinians, their very identity would come into question and they need to preserve this identity at all costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Yasmeen</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2009/01/18/middle-east-fall-out-poisoning-our-society/comment-page-3/#comment-72493</link>
		<dc:creator>Yasmeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Saks,

Your article is truly sickening. You monitor anti-semitic remarks as a job, but it seems that to foster Islamophobic sentiment is your primary goal.
 Your obsessive attack on Muslims and Islam makes this blindingly obvious. 

How you can actually condone the genocide of a helpless, imprisoned people is unbelievable. If that is not enough- you blame them for being attacked! 

You complain about rockets being fired into Israel but don&#039;t acknowledge that it was Israel that broke the truce, by blocking food and medical supplies which it agreed NOT to do. When a nation is starving, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and starve to death? Yet, when they retaliate, you blame them for their own genocide!

And sadly, you  have not learnt the stark distinction between Zionism and Judaism. 

What is most alarming  is that the lives of Palestinians simply mean nothing to you. I wonder what you would have to say if the situation were exactly the same, but Israelis and Palestinians were in the reverse position! Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Saks,</p>
<p>Your article is truly sickening. You monitor anti-semitic remarks as a job, but it seems that to foster Islamophobic sentiment is your primary goal.<br />
 Your obsessive attack on Muslims and Islam makes this blindingly obvious. </p>
<p>How you can actually condone the genocide of a helpless, imprisoned people is unbelievable. If that is not enough- you blame them for being attacked! </p>
<p>You complain about rockets being fired into Israel but don&#8217;t acknowledge that it was Israel that broke the truce, by blocking food and medical supplies which it agreed NOT to do. When a nation is starving, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and starve to death? Yet, when they retaliate, you blame them for their own genocide!</p>
<p>And sadly, you  have not learnt the stark distinction between Zionism and Judaism. </p>
<p>What is most alarming  is that the lives of Palestinians simply mean nothing to you. I wonder what you would have to say if the situation were exactly the same, but Israelis and Palestinians were in the reverse position! Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mustafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mark Thom and Moshe Dayan for some valuable input into this blog.

Can somebody explain as to why Gaza is still being attacked?

The first excuse for the genocide that began on 27 December 2008, was that Hamas was firing rockets into Israel. Given the global outrage and overwhelming condemnation by majority of the world including peace loving Jews, Israel tried to save face by hanging on to the pathetic Bush legacy - &quot;we are doing our bit in the war against terror.&quot; This off course never worked. Eventually a unilateral ceasefire was announced by Israel followed by Hamas.

The reason for the ceasefire was that Israel stopped the rocket fire. But the rockets are still being fired. So what have they achieved apart from butchering over 1400 people? The answer is a more racist, stronger right wing which may be headed by Benjamin Netanyahu. Not to forget the Bouncer (Lieberman) on the political scene laying claim to fame. An interesting role model for a society that claims to be chosen by God and to be righteous.

Over a week ago Hamas agreed to an Egyptian brokered 18 month truce. Israel showed willingness to go ahead with it.

But then Israel went back into Gaza in the past few days killing more people. Ehud Olmert said no to the truce because the goal posts have been shifted once again by them and this time they are using the Gilad Shalit excuse. What&#039;s next?

What&#039;s even a bigger joke is that government spokesman, Mark Regev, said that he can&#039;t understand why Hamas is refusing the Red Cross and other Human Rights Groups to visit or inspect the situation with Gilad Shalit. How convenient to mention this when it is the same Red Cross and Human Rights Groups (including Israeli based ones) which you refuse to listen to when they expose your army&#039;s treacherous war tactics and gross violation of human rights. 

It seems that Israel and the Zionist lobbies have got a readymade set of applausible, predictable excuses available on hand that in the event of them getting caught doing something wrong, their response is ready for the media.

In conclusion, the reason for all these excuses and goal post shifting is simple. Ehud Olmert is desperately seeking a face saving exit from office, given the fraud, bribery and corruption allegations that&#039;s hounding him, as well as the fact that his recent war on Gaza was futile and achieved nothing but senseless murder, endless devastation and no hope for peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mark Thom and Moshe Dayan for some valuable input into this blog.</p>
<p>Can somebody explain as to why Gaza is still being attacked?</p>
<p>The first excuse for the genocide that began on 27 December 2008, was that Hamas was firing rockets into Israel. Given the global outrage and overwhelming condemnation by majority of the world including peace loving Jews, Israel tried to save face by hanging on to the pathetic Bush legacy &#8211; &#8220;we are doing our bit in the war against terror.&#8221; This off course never worked. Eventually a unilateral ceasefire was announced by Israel followed by Hamas.</p>
<p>The reason for the ceasefire was that Israel stopped the rocket fire. But the rockets are still being fired. So what have they achieved apart from butchering over 1400 people? The answer is a more racist, stronger right wing which may be headed by Benjamin Netanyahu. Not to forget the Bouncer (Lieberman) on the political scene laying claim to fame. An interesting role model for a society that claims to be chosen by God and to be righteous.</p>
<p>Over a week ago Hamas agreed to an Egyptian brokered 18 month truce. Israel showed willingness to go ahead with it.</p>
<p>But then Israel went back into Gaza in the past few days killing more people. Ehud Olmert said no to the truce because the goal posts have been shifted once again by them and this time they are using the Gilad Shalit excuse. What&#8217;s next?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s even a bigger joke is that government spokesman, Mark Regev, said that he can&#8217;t understand why Hamas is refusing the Red Cross and other Human Rights Groups to visit or inspect the situation with Gilad Shalit. How convenient to mention this when it is the same Red Cross and Human Rights Groups (including Israeli based ones) which you refuse to listen to when they expose your army&#8217;s treacherous war tactics and gross violation of human rights. </p>
<p>It seems that Israel and the Zionist lobbies have got a readymade set of applausible, predictable excuses available on hand that in the event of them getting caught doing something wrong, their response is ready for the media.</p>
<p>In conclusion, the reason for all these excuses and goal post shifting is simple. Ehud Olmert is desperately seeking a face saving exit from office, given the fraud, bribery and corruption allegations that&#8217;s hounding him, as well as the fact that his recent war on Gaza was futile and achieved nothing but senseless murder, endless devastation and no hope for peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe Dayan</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2009/01/18/middle-east-fall-out-poisoning-our-society/comment-page-3/#comment-71488</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Dayan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern Zionism has p.....away 2000 years of the moral high ground. The Jews witnessed to being God&#039;s chosen by always being on the side of the downtrodden and hard done by. There was a beauty to the spiritual longing for Jerusalem and for the faith that endured. The state of Israel now looks just like any other of the many thousands of bully boy regimes that have inflicted themselves on human history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern Zionism has p&#8230;..away 2000 years of the moral high ground. The Jews witnessed to being God&#8217;s chosen by always being on the side of the downtrodden and hard done by. There was a beauty to the spiritual longing for Jerusalem and for the faith that endured. The state of Israel now looks just like any other of the many thousands of bully boy regimes that have inflicted themselves on human history.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/davidsaks/2009/01/18/middle-east-fall-out-poisoning-our-society/comment-page-3/#comment-71077</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear One and All who have commented so far:

I am a South African, a Jew, a supporter of human rights and the truth. It is sad to see how many people have commented blatantly in favour of Israel when it is no big secret that they have violated all UN resolutions, peace accords, human rights and dignity of others especially the Palestinians, and abused the sacredness of the Jewish faith to get their way.

Remember we are over 15000 Jews in South Africa (not a handful) who are opposed to what Israel has done recently in Gaza, for there was nothing Jewish about it. In fact they killed another 6 Palestinians yesterday.

When will the killings stop? Why did Israel bomb UN establishments even though the UN officials denied any gunmen being in them? Why did Israel use White Phosphorous bombs, depleted uranium and other chemical weapons?

If Israel was righteous and ordained as a Jewish state by G-d, then why does it have to resort to violence to &quot;protect&quot; itself?

Then SAJBoD declares unilaterally that all Jews are firmly behind Israel. What a lie? Are we then responsible for inviting this poison into South Africa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear One and All who have commented so far:</p>
<p>I am a South African, a Jew, a supporter of human rights and the truth. It is sad to see how many people have commented blatantly in favour of Israel when it is no big secret that they have violated all UN resolutions, peace accords, human rights and dignity of others especially the Palestinians, and abused the sacredness of the Jewish faith to get their way.</p>
<p>Remember we are over 15000 Jews in South Africa (not a handful) who are opposed to what Israel has done recently in Gaza, for there was nothing Jewish about it. In fact they killed another 6 Palestinians yesterday.</p>
<p>When will the killings stop? Why did Israel bomb UN establishments even though the UN officials denied any gunmen being in them? Why did Israel use White Phosphorous bombs, depleted uranium and other chemical weapons?</p>
<p>If Israel was righteous and ordained as a Jewish state by G-d, then why does it have to resort to violence to &#8220;protect&#8221; itself?</p>
<p>Then SAJBoD declares unilaterally that all Jews are firmly behind Israel. What a lie? Are we then responsible for inviting this poison into South Africa?</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mustafa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyndall

For how long are you going to be in constant denial of anything positive in history that has been in favour of Muslims / Arabs / Persians ? Turks / Palestinians, etc. It seems that you refuse to read and substantiate your claims with references and facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyndall</p>
<p>For how long are you going to be in constant denial of anything positive in history that has been in favour of Muslims / Arabs / Persians ? Turks / Palestinians, etc. It seems that you refuse to read and substantiate your claims with references and facts.</p>
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